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rain.on.moon
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:59 pm    Post subject: Odor of Fuel Oils. Reply with quote

Dear All,
I want to know the source of smell in fuel oils like kerosene, diesle
etc. If anyone has any suggestions and literature reference, please
inform me. Moreover can anyone suggest how to de odorise such fuels?
Regards,
Atta.
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Herman Family
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:40 am    Post subject: Re: Odor of Fuel Oils. Reply with quote

Quite possibly it would be the lighter hydrocarbons in the oil itself,
combined with a few sulfur compounds. I suppose you could deodorize them by
removing these lighter compounds, though that might have some deleterious
consequences upon the function of the oil. Asphalt, once cool, does not
have much of an odor.

Michael
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Dear All,
I want to know the source of smell in fuel oils like kerosene, diesle
etc. If anyone has any suggestions and literature reference, please
inform me. Moreover can anyone suggest how to de odorise such fuels?
Regards,
Atta.
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A Espinoza
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Odor of Fuel Oils. Reply with quote

rain.on.moon wrote:
Quote:
Dear All,
I want to know the source of smell in fuel oils like kerosene, diesle
etc. If anyone has any suggestions and literature reference, please
inform me. Moreover can anyone suggest how to de odorise such fuels?
Regards,
Atta.

Another source are the aromatic compounds in the oils. (Low aromatics

minerals spirits for example, does not have a smell) Although some of
the aromatics are hydrogenated during the desulfurization process, there
would still be some present in the oil. Therefore, hydrogenation would
be the logical process.
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Milton Beychok
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:37 am    Post subject: Re: Odor of Fuel Oils. Reply with quote

Atta:

I thought we had settled this question a few days ago when you posted it on
the discussion forum available at www.cheresources.com, but perhaps you
have forgotten that. So I will repeat the answers I gave you in that forum:

The odor is probably caused by sulfur compounds in the kerosene and diesel
oil. Give us more information. Are you talking about kerosene and diesel
odors in a petroleum refinery? If so, then hydrotreating could be used to
remove the sulfur compounds from the diesel. And perhaps processing the
kerosene in a Merox unit might be all that the kerosene needs.

If you did a Google search on "hydrotreating" and "Merox", I am sure you
will find a great deal of information. You might also contact Universal Oil
Products (UOP) at Des Plaines, Illinois, USA who license, design and
construct such process plants. Their web site is at www.uop.com <== click
here

Milton Beychok
(Visit me at www.air-dispersion.com)









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Dear All,
I want to know the source of smell in fuel oils like kerosene, diesle
etc. If anyone has any suggestions and literature reference, please
inform me. Moreover can anyone suggest how to de odorise such fuels?
Regards,
Atta.
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John
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: Odor of Fuel Oils. Reply with quote

Since UOP was mentioned . . . .

MIDLAND, Mich., Oct. 3 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Dow Chemical Company
(Dow) announced today that its wholly-owned subsidiary, Union Carbide
Corporation, has agreed to the sale of its indirect 50 percent interest in
UOP LLC to Honeywell. Honeywell currently owns the remaining 50 percent
interest in UOP. The sale price is $825 million plus or minus half of the
net cash in the venture at closing.

--
John
'69 Mach 1 390 Toploader Acapulco Blue
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Atta:

I thought we had settled this question a few days ago when you posted it
on
the discussion forum available at www.cheresources.com, but perhaps you
have forgotten that. So I will repeat the answers I gave you in that
forum:

The odor is probably caused by sulfur compounds in the kerosene and diesel
oil. Give us more information. Are you talking about kerosene and diesel
odors in a petroleum refinery? If so, then hydrotreating could be used to
remove the sulfur compounds from the diesel. And perhaps processing the
kerosene in a Merox unit might be all that the kerosene needs.

If you did a Google search on "hydrotreating" and "Merox", I am sure you
will find a great deal of information. You might also contact Universal
Oil
Products (UOP) at Des Plaines, Illinois, USA who license, design and
construct such process plants. Their web site is at www.uop.com <== click
here

Milton Beychok
(Visit me at www.air-dispersion.com)

"rain.on.moon" <rain.on.moon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1128193192.209696.225820@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Dear All,
I want to know the source of smell in fuel oils like kerosene, diesle
etc. If anyone has any suggestions and literature reference, please
inform me. Moreover can anyone suggest how to de odorise such fuels?
Regards,
Atta.
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rain.on.moon
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Joined: 30 May 2005
Posts: 34

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Odor of Fuel Oils. Reply with quote

Are deodorization, desulfurization and MerOX the same processes ?
Thanx.
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Milton Beychok
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Odor of Fuel Oils. Reply with quote

Rain.on.moon:

Merox is a proprietory process licensed by UOP. It is a fairly simple
process that uses caustic (NaOH) and a catalyst to remove mercaptans from
light fuel oils such as kerosene and jet fuel. Since mercaptans have a very
bad odor, yes it deodorizes.

Also, since mercaptans are sulfur-containing compounds, Merox desulfurizes
to some extent. However, desulfurization in a petroleum refinery usually
refers to much more complex catalytic processes that use hydrogen to convert
all the sulfur compounds in naphthas and heavier fuel oils to hydrogen
sulfide which is then removed by distillation. These so-called
"hydrodesulfurizers" reduce the total sulfur content down to ppm levels.

Milton Beychok
(Visit me at www.air-dispersion.com)
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