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Joe
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:00 am    Post subject: Question about permutations Reply with quote

Can anyone steer me in the right direction ? My question is, how many
permutations can I expect when I only use the odd or even numbers? For
example, 5!=120, but if I only use the permutations that are odd (ie,
1,3,5 ), I get 6. As I move up the number line, I expect to get more and
more, but not as many as N!. Is there a formula that would tell me this?

Thanks,
joe
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Nigel
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Question about permutations Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
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Can anyone steer me in the right direction ? My question is, how many
permutations can I expect when I only use the odd or even numbers? For
example, 5!=120, but if I only use the permutations that are odd (ie,
1,3,5 ), I get 6.

The quick and brainless answer would appear to be that since you're
perming 3 objects in this case you should get 3! permutations. Similarly
if you perm the odd numbers to 7, instead of 7! you get 4! permutations.

NigelH

As I move up the number line, I expect to get more and
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more, but not as many as N!. Is there a formula that would tell me this?

Thanks,
joe

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Dan Akers
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Question about permutations Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
"Can anyone steer me in the right direction ? My question is, how many
permutations can I expect when I only use the odd or even numbers? For
example, 5!=120, but if I only use the permutations that are odd (ie,
1,3,5 ), I get 6. As I move up the number line, I expect to get more and
more, but not as many as N!. Is there a formula that would tell me
this?"
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Hi Joe. I'm hoping I've understood your question... Start with the
fact that there are 10 possible digits. If you use only the odd
"digits"; that cuts the number to 5. Thus, for a number consisting of N
digits, there are 5^N permutations. Thus for a 5 digit number, using
only odd digits, there are 3125 permutations.
On the other hand, if you meant that the number itself is to be "odd",
then the number of permutations changes to 10^(N-1)*5. Thus, for a 5
digit number, there would be 50,000 permutations. I hope that helps...

-Dan Akers
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Joe
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Question about permutations Reply with quote

"Dan Akers" <digikey@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Joe wrote:
"Can anyone steer me in the right direction ? My question is, how many
permutations can I expect when I only use the odd or even numbers? For
example, 5!=120, but if I only use the permutations that are odd (ie,
1,3,5 ), I get 6. As I move up the number line, I expect to get more and
more, but not as many as N!. Is there a formula that would tell me
this?"
_____________________________________
Re;
Hi Joe. I'm hoping I've understood your question... Start with the
fact that there are 10 possible digits. If you use only the odd
"digits"; that cuts the number to 5. Thus, for a number consisting of N
digits, there are 5^N permutations. Thus for a 5 digit number, using
only odd digits, there are 3125 permutations.
On the other hand, if you meant that the number itself is to be "odd",
then the number of permutations changes to 10^(N-1)*5. Thus, for a 5
digit number, there would be 50,000 permutations. I hope that helps...

-Dan Akers


Thanks Dan and Nigel,

It occurred to me after I posted last night that, indeed, if I want only the
odd numbers from, say 1 to 9, then there would only be 5! instead of 9!.
Sorry, I feel really stupid, but it was a long day yesterday and I probly
should've slept on it b4 I posted the question.

Joe
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