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tetanos
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 Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 1:05 pm Post subject:
how cells time accomodate in order to respect relativity priciples?
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consider 2 guys, each adiabatic surrounded with air and food for more
then 2 years
ones remains on earth while the other take a at constant 9.81
acceleration, 1 year outer space then the other back
when they meet again the guy on earth will be older
how is that, they have no clocks in their adiabatic ecosystem, why
should be any difference, their body cells suffered the same stress
how does the cells knows how to accomodate in order to respect
relativity priciples? |
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tetanos
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 1:14 pm Post subject:
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this was a trick question, think about it before you answer |
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 12:55 am Post subject:
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tetanos wrote:
| Quote: | this was a trick question, think about it before you answer
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xxein: The passing speed of light is not and cannot be the same for
all inertial observers. |
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hamster
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 10:01 am Post subject:
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xxein@bellsouth.net wrote:
| Quote: | tetanos wrote:
this was a trick question, think about it before you answer
xxein: The passing speed of light is not and cannot be the same for
all inertial observers.
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thanks
actually was not much of a trick question
take 2 similar clumps of matter, for instance 1dm cube of pure gold,
put them in the adiabatic systems in stead of twins guys, then do the
same experimet
after the two years jurney both clumps of mater will remain the same,
with same consistence and structure, dilations and stuff have no effect
on them
then I drawed the conclusion that the relativity effects only acts on
complex molecular structures, as orgranic life etc, an atom will remain
an atom and cannot be transformed destroied by relativity effects
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Tom Roberts
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 11:11 pm Post subject:
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tetanos wrote:
| Quote: | consider 2 guys, each adiabatic surrounded with air and food for more
then 2 years
ones remains on earth while the other take a at constant 9.81
acceleration, 1 year outer space then the other back
when they meet again the guy on earth will be older
how is that, they have no clocks in their adiabatic ecosystem, why
should be any difference, their body cells suffered the same stress
how does the cells knows how to accomodate in order to respect
relativity priciples?
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"Clock" means more than just a circular object with a two-handed dial
and 12 numbers. Any repetetitive system can be considered to be a clock,
and any chemical/physical/atomic/nuclear/... reaction or process that
has a definite rate can also be considered a clock. Relativistic effects
affect all clocks equally, regardless of their composition. So if your
"2 guys" each carried atomic clocks, the difference in elapsed proper
time of the atomic clocks will be directly related to the difference in
all the biological and chemical processes that occur in their bodies' cells.
The underlying reason the two twins have different elapsed proper times
is that they traveled via different paths through spacetime between
their departure and reunion.
Tom Roberts tjroberts@lucent.com |
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tetanos
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 9:01 am Post subject:
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Tom Roberts wrote:
| Quote: | tetanos wrote:
consider 2 guys, each adiabatic surrounded with air and food for
more
then 2 years
ones remains on earth while the other take a at constant 9.81
acceleration, 1 year outer space then the other back
when they meet again the guy on earth will be older
how is that, they have no clocks in their adiabatic ecosystem, why
should be any difference, their body cells suffered the same
stress
how does the cells knows how to accomodate in order to respect
relativity priciples?
"Clock" means more than just a circular object with a two-handed dial
and 12 numbers.
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this is bull, stop being smart in this way
| Quote: | Any repetetitive system can be considered to be a clock,
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you see
| Quote: | and any chemical/physical/atomic/nuclear/... reaction or process that
has a definite rate can also be considered a clock.
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fine
| Quote: | Relativistic effects
affect all clocks equally, regardless of their composition.
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exactly
| Quote: | So if your
"2 guys" each carried atomic clocks,
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this is bull again, you kontradikts yourself, they dont need atomic
clocks
| Quote: | the difference in elapsed proper
time of the atomic clocks will be directly related to the difference
in
all the biological and chemical processes that occur in their bodies'
cells. |
you are so naive saying that the atomic clocks are better then the old
fachion clocks!?
maybe it was indeed a trick question hahaha
saying that the "atomic" clocks are better... implies a reference coock
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The underlying reason the two twins have different elapsed proper
times
is that they traveled via different paths through spacetime between
their departure and reunion.
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now tell us what we don't know
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Tom Roberts tjroberts@lucent.com
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simply organized matter dont care about time dillation, that was the
whole point in the post |
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