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Cold fusion is just an april fool's joke !!!!
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Patrick A Meuser
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Cold fusion is just an april fool's joke (Putin's beam) !!!! Reply with quote

This is simply not true. There is such a thing as elemental sonic
transgression that gets people like us all screwed up without a proper
universal translation! It's in the nuts and bolts. So do a search on
vibraons and phonons, understand that sound waves can cancel a detached
magnetic moment about a lateral rotating beam within the center of a
Tokamak. I call this Putin's Beam, it would make a good title for a book,
perhaps we can work together someday on the title, you'd seem to have a mind
for it, I'll keep you on file...

Patrick Ashley Meuser"-Bianca"
Cyberneticist

"Four-Way Windowpane" <sheet@blotter.org> wrote in message
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Oliver Wen wrote...
It will never work in 10000000000 years.

Because IF it was possible, it WOULD happen somewhere in nature, just
by coincidence.

But it is possible. It is so obvious that it's amazing nobody
thought of it before. And so simple even a child could make
a thermonuclear cold fusion bomb using materials found in every
home in America.

The reason that we don't hear any signals from space is because
every alien civilization that reaches approximately 21st century
level of technology discovers cold fusion and blows itself up.
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Four-Way Windowpane
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:28 am    Post subject: Re: Cold fusion is just an april fool's joke !!!! Reply with quote

Oliver Wen wrote...
Quote:
It will never work in 10000000000 years.

Because IF it was possible, it WOULD happen somewhere in nature, just
by coincidence.

But it is possible. It is so obvious that it's amazing nobody
thought of it before. And so simple even a child could make
a thermonuclear cold fusion bomb using materials found in every
home in America.

The reason that we don't hear any signals from space is because
every alien civilization that reaches approximately 21st century
level of technology discovers cold fusion and blows itself up.
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Tom1139
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Cold fusion is just an april fool's joke !!!! Reply with quote

Abolsutely! It was discovered in a riverbed in a fairly large number of
locations in South Africa. I forget where I read it but I assume it was
in Science or Nature.
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Chris
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Cold fusion is just an april fool's joke !!!! Reply with quote

Hello,

Have you ever seen cold fusion lighting? It cannot be switched off and it
last a thousand years, to go to sleep you just move the shutter over to
cover it, its really strange that cold fusion lighting on those science
fiction ships.

They don't sell them in walmart yet? But they only cost a dime to make.

In a street lamp near you soon.

And those fusion engines, go in the engine room, wheres the engine?

Chris.
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Patrick A Meuser
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 1:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Cold fusion is just an april fool's joke !!!! Reply with quote

That's totally false. Conversation of energy states that the laws of
thermodynamics become infinitely complex in fusion where there is a
decreasing intensity. So you'd never see it *before* it started. That
doesn't mean that it hasn't started, just that the bakground radiation is
its equilibria in case that the iso-temporal conditions that such a reaction
are set *totally removed* from any background radiation. And that's the
conversation between the start of it and the end of it. In fact not seeing
is the reason it could come into being, synchronous with background radation
that would cancel the darkness necessary to start it i.e. by repeating the
background radiation in a local system it would serve as the 'broth' of its
operational asymptotes as a process that is asymmetric with the 100-billion
light years it would make to figure out the 10 that we understand now, and
in that space, the background radiation would reflect the exitence of cold
fusion, and hot fusion, and fission too. Keep an open mind.

Patrick Ashley Meuser"-Bianca"
Cyberneticist
http://www.alphabetatheta.org

"Tom" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Because the level of background radiation demonstrates that no such
thing is occurring.
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Chris
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 7:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Cold fusion is just an april fool's joke !!!! Reply with quote

Hello,

Before I was "taken away" I had hot fusion and cold fusion working together
on the laboratory bench without any particular trouble.

The cold fusion was reconed to be a pretty good way of making a cheap street
lamp light source and hot fusion (too dangerous for commercial use) was
quickly captured by the military.

Well where would you find cold fusion lighting and hot fusion powered stuff
but in ....

Well they never stop for fuel!

They never did pay me.... Not even an enhanced pension or a country mansion,
just about sweet nothing now they talk lovingly about the advantage of
having two holes in the head.

Oh and the thermonuclear hand grenade that just takes out a tank, so useful
but since it is no better than TNT but a bit cheaper there was no need to
make it. And no one wants the $10 electrically ignited hydrogen fusion
bomb. (pp9 batter went flat btween tests).

It wasn't God who stopped the 5000 hydrogen bomb holocaust but the Secret
service sabotage of the manufactering system and the army of invasion went
home because an agent posing as the commander told them to go home.

It is quite serious but I think the wealth created everywhere was really
what it was worth, peace creates wealth, not war.

I would be nice to have a bigger pension. And a pardon for all those nasty
stories about me. And a nice lady to share my declining years with.

I give up, I surrender....

What happened to my best friend after her public execution? (She screamed
all the way to the block...) I wonder what she did? That was after her
screams for mercy as the cut out her brain...

She has in fact been executed three or four times according to reports I
get, thats really interesting and I'm told she now does a cleaning job, so
what, half the world do that. And oh - she's in a top security prison
protesing her innocence.

In fact I'm unlikely to recognise her because she was one of 6000 students
that I sort of saw from time to time.

I think she was in reality an engineer on some ESA project oh well engineers
are five a penny.

I think she offered me 1000 a week for a job in her office if I gave up
commuism which was something I never was, never believed in, never really
existed and never had any contact with any communists. It was a problem
because I could not give up something I never was.

It is just than any person living in the empire of the socialist soviets has
to say he is or he cannot survive. Well your work is what you do and money
buys the food, shelter and so forth that makes you a person. Westerners
speak gobledegook. I'm in the land that never was... Tell me comrade "Where
is the West?" "How do I become a member of the West?" "What does it mean?"
"Am I not a westerner already?".. "Is there an exam?" "can I take a course
in being a Westerner?" "Do I need a Gun?".

It appears that her project involved a return of a sample of Martian soil to
the Earth with the object of detecting any life. The church militant
stamped on her and have huge celebrations of victory over this helpless
little shard of carbon as if they have won yet another victory over the
Enemy. The vaunt and talk of their putting down of the innocent girl like
she was a mighty army and they howl like wolves. Have you ever heard men
howl? Its quite disturbing but a wolf is a mans best friend the most
dangerous animal in the forest is another man... As in the human jungle of
the West.

Perhaps I should watch TV more often.

Star Treck?
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Brian McDermott
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 3:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Cold fusion is just an april fool's joke !!!! Reply with quote

Yes.

http://www.ans.org/pi/np/oklo/
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Robert Bellamy
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Cold fusion is just an april fool's joke !!!! Reply with quote

Tom wrote:
Quote:
Because the level of background radiation demonstrates that no such
thing is occurring.



Does fission happen in nature?
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Alexi Tekhasski
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 11:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Cold fusion is just an april fool's joke !!!! Reply with quote

"jim" <huuman60@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Tom wrote:
Because the level of background radiation demonstrates that no such
thing is occurring.

Since we have real time videos of cold fusion being done by high school
students, a rational debate to the contrary is futile.

Real time videos of boiling liquid mean nothing.
A rational rebuttal of their experiments follows.

From tables of data, e.g.
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/cfr/html/cfrdatas.htm
it follows that they first heat the electrolyte to about boiling
temperature, ~80C. Then they turn on load and boil the
liquid for 30-200 seconds, then stop.

Their estimation of "output" energy has two parts.

One is the energy absorbed by heat capacity of the bulk
liquid. They take an initial mass of fluid and its temperature, and
a final mass of fluid with final temperature, this a sort of direct
measurement, and it is more or less clear.

However, there is 2-3% loss of fluid due to violent boiling.

To account for this loss, they "correct" their heat estimations.
They ASSUME that the loss of liquid mass was solely due to
evaporation, therefore they add the energy of evaporation
to the total estimated "output". As result of this correction, their
total appears to be bigger than the electrical input.
If you look into their data tables and calculate the value of
their "evaporation correction" to the total output, it ranges
from 20 to 220% (for the first 8 experiments in the table),
sometimes 500%.

Their error is in assumption that all the missing water has
evaporated. Anyone who observed a boiling pot would
notice that bursting bubbles create water mist, small droplets
that are not evaporated but carried away by surrounding hot
air. Therefore, their assumption that ALL MISSED WATER
was missing due to evaporation is incorrect.
As result, a reasonable accounting for non-evaporated
droplets will likely change their "excess" into "deficit", as
it should be.

The above scenario explains most of their results: higher initial
temperature and more violent boiling give them better
results. Shorter experiments (more violent boiling) give more
"excess" than longer, less active runs. Of course, changing
geometry of electrodes also affects the intensity of boiling,
therefore their result are also affected. The above scenario
also explains why the "excess of heat" can also be observed
by high-school students who did not use any heavy water
nor rare palladium electrodes in their setups.

In summary, alleged "excess power" in all Muzino-style
experiments is based on overly-optimistic estimation of
uncontrolled losses of liquid. Directly-measured output
heat never exceeds input power.

As I have shown above, the experiments are not "controlled"
as you believe they are. Therefore, the rest of your post is in
error too:
Quote:
Cold Fusion
happens and it has occured in controlled experiments thousands of
times. The only debate is whether it will ever be developed to be an
economical source of power. Black Light Power's hydrino technology
may beat it out before it is ever developed.

Debating whether an experiment is happening as you see at it occur
demonstrates the phenomena that occured with the native islanders as
Columbus' ships came upon the horizon. If you disbelieve something
strong enough, you can't see it.


Merry Christmas,
-aap
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Cold fusion is just an april fool's joke !!!! Reply with quote

Tom wrote:
Quote:
Because the level of background radiation demonstrates that no such
thing is occurring.

Since we have real time videos of cold fusion being done by high school
students, a rational debate to the contrary is futile. Cold Fusion
happens and it has occured in controlled experiments thousands of
times. The only debate is whether it will ever be developed to be an
economical source of power. Black Light Power's hydrino technology
may beat it out before it is ever developed.

Debating whether an experiment is happening as you see at it occur
demonstrates the phenomena that occured with the native islanders as
Columbus' ships came upon the horizon. If you disbelieve something
strong enough, you can't see it.
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Tom1139
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Cold fusion is just an april fool's joke !!!! Reply with quote

Because the level of background radiation demonstrates that no such
thing is occurring.
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Robert Bellamy
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Cold fusion is just an april fool's joke !!!! Reply with quote

Oliver Wen wrote:
Quote:
It will never work in 10000000000 years.

Because IF it was possible, it WOULD happen somewhere in nature, just
by coincidence.


How do you know it doesn't?

-BB
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Oliver Wen
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:09 am    Post subject: Cold fusion is just an april fool's joke !!!! Reply with quote

It will never work in 10000000000 years.

Because IF it was possible, it WOULD happen somewhere in nature, just
by coincidence.
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