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Eric Gisse
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:45 am    Post subject: Re: Anti-relativist Alliance Reply with quote

hanson wrote:

[snip]

No wonder you are incapable of learning relativity - you can't even
figure out how to format a USENET post without sounding like a raving
lunatic.
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hanson
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:09 am    Post subject: Re: Anti-relativist Alliance Reply with quote

"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137303947.281037.100050@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
No wonder you are incapable of learning relativity - you can't even
figure out how to format a USENET post without sounding like a
raving lunatic.

[hanson]

You are getting emotional and irrational now, Eric. You twist yourself
too quick and too much when you hear things that are not served to
you pre-chewed and platter-served for your regulated beliefs. Bad
scene for you to exhibit such traits of fanaticism, once you are out
in the real world. Here it is again for you to **learn** the facts....
before you finish your school that you have even not gone to yet:
Quote:

[hanson]

Eric, you lie to yourself and you know it. ... see (3 & 4) below)]
Quote:
Nothing you can say or do will do anything to damage relativity's
standing. ...... [Eric, I didn't and I don't. He did. See (1954) below]
Outside this newsgroup, your whining and venting mean
nothing. ......... [Eric, see (2) below, before you go back to school]
This is the only place in the world where your ranting is taken
seriously. ......... [Eric, see (2) below, before you go back to school]
Be happy - it is much easier than actually doing experiments
and disproving relativity, it is much easier than taking the time to
find a logical contradiction in relativity.

[hanson]

..... and what experiments have you performed, except the
ones on yourself, "relatively" speaking?....see (4) below....
Here are the issues again for your learning benefits, Eric:
Quote:

[hanson]

....... ahahaha... "Ahh yes", in contrast to you, Eric, who believes to
understand all that comes out of that century old camp and who walks
in goose step fashion to its tune as in your mind it is apparently not
possible that there exists fraud in physics, especially not in your beloved
Einstein world. Whether there is/was fraud in it or not, is not even the
issue. It's the doubts about it that the "anti-relativists" do express...
and the very FIRST ANTI-RELATIVIST WAS EINSTEIN HIMSELF
as can be seen in his letter to Besso, in 1954, Albert writing to her
remorsefully:
== "I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be based
== on the field concept, i. e., on continuous structures. In that
== case nothing remains of my entire castle in the air, gravitation
== theory included, [and of] the rest of modern physics."
Even somewhere in the early 1920s, when Einstein's star was rising,
he said to his disciples something to the effects for them "NOT to
search at the same, now well lit places, where he had been working".
(Does anybody have the exact quote and reference of this?)
Quote:

So Eric, don't be so stupid and and insensitive and call the creator of

your obsession and fetish a "joker and fuckup who is too stupid to
understand relativity".. ahaha..
Quote:

(3) Eric with your utterly fanatical slaveish devotion, you'll make a very good

employee, a great follower of corporate edicts, but you'll never become
an independent biz-man, nor even a researcher. ... You just don't have
that item in you (yet). Now, that you announced to go back to school I
hope you may learn there that thinking means more than just "learning
by heart" and regurgitate what others have created, IOW, to learn how
to push the envelope... Remember that even physics does evolve...
as it is after all, in the finally analysis, just another social enterprise...
JUST AS EINSTEIN HAS SAID above. Good luck to you, Eric.
Quote:


[Eric]
Research where the outcome is already decided?
There is another name for that...

[hanson]

ahaha... yes, (1) like the original Einstein Relativity in that it infected
its disciples with Albertitis & Einsteinism & turned them into wasted
intellectual Left-overs and damaged goods out of the once good
people that they were... just like any other organized religion has
done for eons, routinely and sucsessfully..... ahahaha...
Quote:

ahaha... yes, (2) like your camp's song that every test has proven

relativity, but which in fact merely suggests that under very carefully
selected conditions the Einstein gag tells the story of the tests well.
Big deal, but not big enough of a deal, because 100 years later it is
not for no reason that academia and industry is using these days
REL (SR/GR) in the following way and fashion, saying that anybody
who works in
== mil/indust. Eng, R&D....................."does not need REL s**t"
== *.edu & for R-grants......................"does need REL, - No s**t"
== Promo, Sales & Movies............... "loves REL by the shitload"
== Jews protect it as their cultural heritage whether "REL is s**t or not".
Quote:

Furthermore, it is of no wonder that the Bavarians have made

GR/SR courses NOT mandatory any longer in their Univs physics
curriculum since/in 1996 and just a few months ago I glanced at a
post from a US student who wondered what book to study about
GR since it was no longer offered at his University in the US... !!!!.
Androcles posted on 12-05 that even the conservative Royal Society
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg18825282.800.html
has now voted Einstein OUT also... and yet in these NG's there are
these loud fanatical disciples infected with Einsteinitis & some even
claim that "attacks" are motivated by "anti-semitism" and jealously.

The facts are clear: Such hung-up and stuck up disciples are jealous
that the world has moved on since 1905/1916 and that the evolution
of physics, and science in general, does continue...
(4) Eric someone must have told you to f*** yourself... you believed it and
you found pleasure in it... But hey, if mental masturbations are your gig...
then join that ancient club... NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, but let
others march on... LET OTHERS MARCH ON.... They are called:
**** investigators and searcher... researchers.... ****

Reprieve for you, Eric: ...... Everything is relative, ....even Einstein..
ahahaha.... AHAHAHA.... ahahahanson
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Gregory L. Hansen
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:38 am    Post subject: Re: Anti-relativist Alliance Reply with quote

In article <1137180603.662485.12030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
MobyDikc <mobydikc@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Hey all,

This is for the cranks and crackpots who reject relativity.

Is there anything like an anti-relativity alliance, so even if
anti-relativists disagree with their ideas, they can still collectively
agree that relativity is wrong?

Isn't sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity what you are looking for?

Quote:

Also, if you could please reply with a reference to your favorite
website or theory here, if there isn't already one, a list of
anti-relativity research can be created.

There's a journal I know of only by reputation, "Galilean
Electrodynamics".
--
"The probability of anything happening is in inverse ratio to its
desirability." -- Gumperson's Law
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Eric Gisse
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Posts: 1999

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:46 am    Post subject: Re: Anti-relativist Alliance Reply with quote

hanson wrote:

[snip]

Your canned replies need more editing, they are filled with grammatical
and factual errors.
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hanson
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Posts: 793

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:19 am    Post subject: Re: Anti-relativist Alliance Reply with quote

"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137307617.189543.268160@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
Your canned replies need more editing, they are filled with
grammatical and factual errors.

[hanson]

You have calmed down now. That is good, Eric. But reflect,
Eric, the message is important, not the dust on its edges. Only
fanatics and fundamentalists blow things out of proportions.
And it looks like that you are beginning to get gist and see the
core of the issue. Study it again. Here it is again for your benefit:
Quote:

[hanson prior 3]

You are getting emotional and irrational now, Eric. You twist yourself
too quick and too much when you hear things that are not served to
you pre-chewed and platter-served for your regulated beliefs. Bad
scene for you to exhibit such traits of fanaticism, once you are out
in the real world. Here it is again for you to **learn** the facts....
before you finish your school that you have even not gone to yet:
Quote:

[hanson prior 2]

Eric, you lie to yourself and you know it. ... see (3 & 4) below)]
Quote:

[Eric]
Nothing you can say or do will do anything to damage relativity's
standing. ...... [Eric, I didn't and I don't. He did. See (1954) below]
Outside this newsgroup, your whining and venting mean
nothing. ......... [Eric, see (2) below, before you go back to school]
This is the only place in the world where your ranting is taken
seriously. ......... [Eric, see (2) below, before you go back to school]
Be happy - it is much easier than actually doing experiments
and disproving relativity, it is much easier than taking the time to
find a logical contradiction in relativity.

[hanson prior 1]

..... and what experiments have you performed, except the
ones on yourself, "relatively" speaking?....see (4) below....
Here are the issues again for your learning benefits, Eric:
Quote:

[hanson orig.]

....... ahahaha... "Ahh yes", in contrast to you, Eric, who believes to
understand all that comes out of that century old camp and who walks
in goose step fashion to its tune as in your mind it is apparently not
possible that there exists fraud in physics, especially not in your beloved
Einstein world. Whether there is/was fraud in it or not, is not even the
issue. It's the doubts about it that the "anti-relativists" do express...
and the very FIRST ANTI-RELATIVIST WAS EINSTEIN HIMSELF
as can be seen in his letter to Besso, in 1954, Albert writing to her
remorsefully:
== "I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be based
== on the field concept, i. e., on continuous structures. In that
== case nothing remains of my entire castle in the air, gravitation
== theory included, [and of] the rest of modern physics."
Even somewhere in the early 1920s, when Einstein's star was rising,
he said to his disciples something to the effects for them "NOT to
search at the same, now well lit places, where he had been working".
(Does anybody have the exact quote and reference of this?)
Quote:

So Eric, don't be so stupid and and insensitive and call the creator of

your obsession and fetish a "joker and fuckup who is too stupid to
understand relativity".. ahaha..
Quote:

(3) Eric with your utterly fanatical slaveish devotion, you'll make a very good

employee, a great follower of corporate edicts, but you'll never become
an independent biz-man, nor even a researcher. ... You just don't have
that item in you (yet). Now, that you announced to go back to school I
hope you may learn there that thinking means more than just "learning
by heart" and regurgitate what others have created, IOW, to learn how
to push the envelope... Remember that even physics does evolve...
as it is after all, in the finally analysis, just another social enterprise...
JUST AS EINSTEIN HAS SAID above. Good luck to you, Eric.
Quote:


[Eric]
Research where the outcome is already decided?
There is another name for that...

[hanson]

ahaha... yes, (1) like the original Einstein Relativity in that it infected
its disciples with Albertitis & Einsteinism & turned them into wasted
intellectual Left-overs and damaged goods out of the once good
people that they were... just like any other organized religion has
done for eons, routinely and sucsessfully..... ahahaha...
Quote:

ahaha... yes, (2) like your camp's song that every test has proven

relativity, but which in fact merely suggests that under very carefully
selected conditions the Einstein gag tells the story of the tests well.
Big deal, but not big enough of a deal, because 100 years later it is
not for no reason that academia and industry is using these days
REL (SR/GR) in the following way and fashion, saying that anybody
who works in
== mil/indust. Eng, R&D....................."does not need REL s**t"
== *.edu & for R-grants......................"does need REL, - No s**t"
== Promo, Sales & Movies............... "loves REL by the shitload"
== Jews protect it as their cultural heritage whether "REL is s**t or not".
Quote:

Furthermore, it is of no wonder that the Bavarians have made

GR/SR courses NOT mandatory any longer in their Univs physics
curriculum since/in 1996 and just a few months ago I glanced at a
post from a US student who wondered what book to study about
GR since it was no longer offered at his University in the US... !!!!.
Androcles posted on 12-05 that even the conservative Royal Society
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg18825282.800.html
has now voted Einstein OUT also... and yet in these NG's there are
these loud fanatical disciples infected with Einsteinitis & some even
claim that "attacks" are motivated by "anti-semitism" and jealously.

The facts are clear: Such hung-up and stuck up disciples are jealous
that the world has moved on since 1905/1916 and that the evolution
of physics, and science in general, does continue...
(4) Eric someone must have told you to f*** yourself... you believed it and
you found pleasure in it... But hey, if mental masturbations are your gig...
then join that ancient club... NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, but let
others march on... LET OTHERS MARCH ON.... They are called:
**** investigators and searcher... researchers.... ****

Reprieve for you, Eric: ...... Everything is relative, ....even Einstein..
ahahaha.... AHAHAHA.... ahahahanson
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Eric Gisse
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Posts: 1999

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: Anti-relativist Alliance Reply with quote

hanson wrote:

[snip canned response]

Your canned response requires editing, it is full of grammatical and
factual errors.
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Henri Wilson
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Joined: 08 May 2005
Posts: 3381

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: Anti-relativist Alliance Reply with quote

On 14 Jan 2006 08:42:25 -0800, "clujdej@yahoo.com" <clujdej@yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
OK, so you are not as bad as the others. But your formulas are
"ad-hoc", i.e. they are not derived , they are simply "written down".

What do you men 'not as bad as the others'?

All Seto did was put the 'Einstein' back into aether theories.

...but of course you being a king crackpot probably agree that the MMX apparatus
always moves vertically wrt all light.



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Henri Wilson
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:53 am    Post subject: Re: Anti-relativist Alliance Reply with quote

On 14 Jan 2006 23:21:13 -0800, "Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

hanson wrote:

[snip canned response]

Your canned response requires editing, it is full of grammatical and
factual errors.

poor boy!!

Never really recovered from failing first semester physics.

I believe he is studying basket weaving now....


HW.
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hanson
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Posts: 793

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:09 am    Post subject: Re: Anti-relativist Alliance Reply with quote

"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137309673.013227.191210@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
[snip canned response]
Your canned response requires editing, it is full of grammatical and
factual errors.

[hanson]

Eric, you are getting fanatical and emotional again. You are not
supposed to swallow my hook. Especially with you waiting at
your computer, yearning whether I am casting or not, and then
greedily responding within 120 sec of my posting... ahahaha...
But thanks for the laughs, Eric... ahahaha... I have fun, Eric, but
you apparently do not. You sound lead, angry and self-tormented.
So, here, my friend, for your benefit, do study the issues, for god's
sake, and LEARN from them. Einstein himself, your hero, said that
you should. See (5) below... He, your role model, said so. NOT me.
Heed his, Albert's advice, not mine... ahaha... ahahaha... ahahanson
Quote:

[hanson prior 4]

You have calmed down now. That is good, Eric. But reflect,
Eric, the message is important, not the dust on its edges. Only
fanatics and fundamentalists blow things out of proportions.
And it looks like that you are beginning to get gist and see the
core of the issue. Study it again. Here it is again for your benefit:
Quote:

[hanson prior 3]

You are getting emotional and irrational now, Eric. You twist yourself
too quick and too much when you hear things that are not served to
you pre-chewed and platter-served for your regulated beliefs. Bad
scene for you to exhibit such traits of fanaticism, once you are out
in the real world. Here it is again for you to **learn** the facts....
before you finish your school that you have even not gone to yet:
Quote:

[hanson prior 2]

Eric, you lie to yourself and you know it. ... see (3 & 4) below)]
Quote:

[Eric]
Nothing you can say or do will do anything to damage relativity's
standing. ...... [Eric, I didn't and I don't. He did. See (1954) below]
Outside this newsgroup, your whining and venting mean
nothing. ......... [Eric, see (2) below, before you go back to school]
This is the only place in the world where your ranting is taken
seriously. ......... [Eric, see (2) below, before you go back to school]
Be happy - it is much easier than actually doing experiments
and disproving relativity, it is much easier than taking the time to
find a logical contradiction in relativity.

[hanson prior 1]

..... and what experiments have you performed, except the
ones on yourself, "relatively" speaking?....see (4) below....
Here are the issues again for your learning benefits, Eric:
Quote:

[hanson orig.]

....... ahahaha... "Ahh yes", in contrast to you, Eric, who believes to
understand all that comes out of that century old camp and who walks
in goose step fashion to its tune as in your mind it is apparently not
possible that there exists fraud in physics, especially not in your beloved
Einstein world. Whether there is/was fraud in it or not, is not even the
issue. It's the doubts about it that the "anti-relativists" do express...
and the very FIRST ANTI-RELATIVIST WAS EINSTEIN HIMSELF
as can be seen in his letter to Besso, in 1954, Albert writing to her
remorsefully:
== "I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be based
== on the field concept, i. e., on continuous structures. In that
== case nothing remains of my entire castle in the air, gravitation
== theory included, [and of] the rest of modern physics."
Even somewhere in the early 1920s, when Einstein's star was rising,
he said to his disciples something to the effects for them "NOT to (5)
search at the same, now well lit places, where he had been working".
(Does anybody have the exact quote and reference of this?)
Quote:

So Eric, don't be so stupid and and insensitive and call the creator of

your obsession and fetish a "joker and fuckup who is too stupid to
understand relativity".. ahaha..
Quote:

(3) Eric with your utterly fanatical slaveish devotion, you'll make a very good

employee, a great follower of corporate edicts, but you'll never become
an independent biz-man, nor even a researcher. ... You just don't have
that item in you (yet). Now, that you announced to go back to school I
hope you may learn there that thinking means more than just "learning
by heart" and regurgitate what others have created, IOW, to learn how
to push the envelope... Remember that even physics does evolve...
as it is after all, in the finally analysis, just another social enterprise...
JUST AS EINSTEIN HAS SAID above. Good luck to you, Eric.
Quote:

[Eric]
Research where the outcome is already decided?
There is another name for that...

[hanson]

ahaha... yes, (1) like the original Einstein Relativity in that it infected
its disciples with Albertitis & Einsteinism & turned them into wasted
intellectual Left-overs and damaged goods out of the once good
people that they were... just like any other organized religion has
done for eons, routinely and sucsessfully..... ahahaha...
Quote:

ahaha... yes, (2) like your camp's song that every test has proven

relativity, but which in fact merely suggests that under very carefully
selected conditions the Einstein gag tells the story of the tests well.
Big deal, but not big enough of a deal, because 100 years later it is
not for no reason that academia and industry is using these days
REL (SR/GR) in the following way and fashion, saying that anybody
who works in
== mil/indust. Eng, R&D....................."does not need REL s**t"
== *.edu & for R-grants......................"does need REL, - No s**t"
== Promo, Sales & Movies............... "loves REL by the shitload"
== Jews protect it as their cultural heritage whether "REL is s**t or not".
Quote:

Furthermore, it is of no wonder that the Bavarians have made

GR/SR courses NOT mandatory any longer in their Univs physics
curriculum since/in 1996 and just a few months ago I glanced at a
post from a US student who wondered what book to study about
GR since it was no longer offered at his University in the US... !!!!.
Androcles posted on 12-05 that even the conservative Royal Society
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg18825282.800.html
has now voted Einstein OUT also... and yet in these NG's there are
these loud fanatical disciples infected with Einsteinitis & some even
claim that "attacks" are motivated by "anti-semitism" and jealously.

The facts are clear: Such hung-up and stuck up disciples are jealous
that the world has moved on since 1905/1916 and that the evolution
of physics, and science in general, does continue...
(4) Eric someone must have told you to f*** yourself... you believed it and
you found pleasure in it... But hey, if mental masturbations are your gig...
then join that ancient club... NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, but let
others march on... LET OTHERS MARCH ON.... They are called:
**** investigators and searcher... researchers.... ****

Reprieve for you, Eric: ...... Everything is relative, ....even Einstein..
ahahaha.... AHAHAHA.... ahahahanson
Quote:





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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:16 am    Post subject: Re: Anti-relativist Alliance Reply with quote

"hanson" <hanson@quick.net> wrote in message
news:Hqnyf.737$h47.304@trnddc08...
Quote:
Androcles posted on 12-05 that even the conservative Royal Society
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg18825282.800.html
has now voted Einstein OUT also...

The article you cited
(http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg18825282.800.html)
does not support the claim you made ("even the conservative Royal Society
has now voted Einstein OUT also").
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:43 am    Post subject: Re: Anti-relativist Alliance Reply with quote

Henri Wilson wrote:
Quote:
On 14 Jan 2006 23:21:13 -0800, "Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote:


hanson wrote:

[snip canned response]

Your canned response requires editing, it is full of grammatical and
factual errors.

poor boy!!

Never really recovered from failing first semester physics.

Whine on, Henri. Nobody cares.

Quote:

I believe he is studying basket weaving now....


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:46 am    Post subject: Re: Anti-relativist Alliance Reply with quote

hanson wrote:

[snip]

No wonder you are unable to learn relativity, you can't even read your
source material!

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg18825282.800.html

"Einstein proved Newton wrong and has yet to be proved wrong himself."
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: Anti-relativist Alliance Reply with quote

Eric Gisse wrote:
Quote:
hanson wrote:

[snip]

No wonder you are unable to learn relativity, you can't even read your
source material!

I suspect Hanson understands quite a bit more of physics than you do at
this point, especially after you recently contended that
tanh(x)=cosh(x)/sinh(x)..



Quote:
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg18825282.800.html

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:33 am    Post subject: Re: Anti-relativist Alliance Reply with quote

"hanson" <hanson@quick.net> wrote in message
news:T2kyf.7068$US3.6260@trnddc04...
Quote:
"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> sang the RELA hymn in his
news:1137296916.832819.19230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

(snip)

Quote:
== "I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be based
== on the field concept, i. e., on continuous structures. In that
== case nothing remains of my entire castle in the air, gravitation
== theory included, [and of] the rest of modern physics."

Then Mr. Einstein wrote this potential abandonment far too soon, if indeed
he wrote the above. I've tried to show elsewhere in my own most primitive
way how Relativity's core field concept overlays Quantum Mechanics' core
maxim in the Principle of Uncertainty, providing the equivalent relativistic
picture before QM's base uncertainty picture even was a picture.

"Uncertainty principle: The principle formulated by Heisenberg that one
can never be exactly sure of both the position and the velocity of a
particle. The more accurately one knows the one, the less accurately one can
know the other."

The best coordinate compromise of both particle's position and velocity is
no deformed distortion of the particle itself but is a transformation of the
mess into a highly accurate, highly relativistic, single "field" result the
physicist mechanic can then fit into -- work with in -- other contexts.

I didn't work my way up and out to this realization, I worked my way down
and in to it from the many years of visualizing and doing up my many
representative 'traveler in travel opposed to more than one angled observer'
scenarios. In my visualization of the traveler versus observers distantly
placed fore and aft and to the sides of the traveler in space, I realized
that none of them could ever accurately position or calculate the velocity
accurately of a traveler in constant motion. The hard constant of the speed
of light in vacuum, rather than absolutely or even probably permitting,
would always absolutely PROHIBIT observers -- from their inertial frames
(from their "world views") -- any possibility of anything like accurate
positioning and calculation of velocity regarding [non-orbiting] travelers
(to include "particles") in constant motion. It finally dawned on me that
the only way to compromise the traveler's observations with the various
observers' observations, and the various observers' observations with each
other, was to go elastically [expansionist / contractionist] "relativistic"
regarding the traveler's own inside-out worldview, or frame of coordinate
reference. All of the various observers would have to, for most accurate end
compromise possible, deal in the [final] entire field result rather than
depending upon their own in-line [while-in-progress] (progressive)
observations. That final result would be an observation by all that the
traveler didn't so much quite [travel through] space and time to any arrival
as it, the traveler, rapidly and enormously expands in space and time then
equally, just as rapidly and just as enormously, contracts [toward] the
final arrival point in space and time.

This also solves more simply (even if only to my own satisfaction) the
problematic issues of instantaneity and, even more to the point,
simultaneity within quantum mechanics. It also solves the problematic issue
in the Theory of Relativity of travelers (whatever they may be) leaping
forward and/or backward in time (the reality of which -- unrealized by
most -- is that if one is a violation of causality -- and it is a
violation -- then both equally in actuality have to be violations of
causality. Inseparably both of them! Not just the one and not the other).

Quantum mechanically, there could be no answer. There could be no
compromise solution to the problem other than that of a final, overall
"field" solution. Relativistically, there could be and is a solution....the
only compromise solution possible: that same overall "field" solution. The
only real never to be resolved problem, I found from long experience, is the
problem of interpretation. Since most people, by far most, can only think
and interpret singularly string-like one-dimensional (in no more than just
one dimension at a time of anything) rather than hyper fractal-dimensional
(in many dimensions of many things, self-similarly all at once fundamentally
in complexity one and the same thing).

I figure, in my own primitive way, that most of quantum mechanical
physicists' reaches to higher dimensional things to solve lower dimensional
problems is actually work "on continuous structures" (continuing, increasing
development in and of "field concept(s)") going on; going without saying.
The prohibitions inherent to "uncertainty," especially its inherent
propensity to grow, forbid anything else.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:50 am    Post subject: Re: Anti-relativist Alliance Reply with quote

The self-declared "Almost-Victim" "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com>
victimized himself in message news:9xnyf.9197$jR.7481@fed1read01...
Quote:

"hanson" <hanson@quick.net> wrote in message
news:Hqnyf.737$h47.304@trnddc08...
Androcles posted on 12-05 that even the conservative Royal Society
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg18825282.800.html
has now voted Einstein OUT also...

The article you cited
(http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg18825282.800.html)
does not support the claim you made ("even the conservative Royal
Society has now voted Einstein OUT also").

[hanson]

ahahaha.... ahahaha.... it says in there:
"13.8 per cent of Royal Society fellows back Einstein, while the rest
supported Newton. The public also plumped for Newton, giving him" ...
and then it says ... To continue reading this article, subscribe for only $4.95
...... but you were too fucking cheap to cough up five bucks.... ahahaha...
Quote:

Why are you victimizing yourself, Richie? It must be after midnight,

Saturday night, your time... ahahaha... Are you having insomnia problems
that victimize you?... So listen, you sui-victimizer, follow this chain of
custody in your perceived late night condition and then blame the
originator, The Royal Society, but don't question their edict, .. just
like Eric Gisse doesn't question Einstein. After all, both are royal in
their own way, but you are a peasant and a perennial, self-announced,
self-labeled "almost-victim" to boot, who does not understand nor
tolerate the word "opinion"... unless it's your own... ahaha.... ahahanson
Quote:

BTW... do you simply wanna make conversation in the middle of the

night (your time) because you are lonely and feel the horror in your mind
that haunts you that you are an "almost victim" again? ahahahaha... if so,
then you are forgiven, Richie.... I wish you could see those shimmering
cloud formations 10 o'clock down... maybe the remnants of Zeta...
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