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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:59 am Post subject:
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Richard Henry wrote:
Quote:  "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote in message
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RichA wrote:
Which system are you talking about? If its the Raj, it was what helped
India emerge from
5000 years of religious backwardness.
Which are the really forward thinking religions?
This oughtta be good.
Scientology?

Its definately not monotheism. The one angry male god theory has been
the source of much trouble on this planet. 

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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:49 pm Post subject:
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"trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote in message
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Quote:  RichA wrote:
Which system are you talking about? If its the Raj, it was what helped
India emerge from
5000 years of religious backwardness.
Which are the really forward thinking religions?
This oughtta be good.

Scientology? 

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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject:
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RichA wrote:
Quote:  Which system are you talking about? If its the Raj, it was what helped
India emerge from
5000 years of religious backwardness.

Which are the really forward thinking religions?
This oughtta be good. 

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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:40 am Post subject:
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Mirza Ghalib 寫道：
Quote:  It will be India's equivalent to "A Beautiful Mind."

and something like " Good Will Hunting " 

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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:25 am Post subject:
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Interesting that while many of Ramanujan's intuition theorems were
correct, some of them were not. 

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In article <1142815711.776425.139410@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Goro <evilninjax@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: 
benadam777 wrote:
A truly incredible mathematician that, unfortunately, is not well known
outside the circle of mathematicians.
agreed.
i read the book a while back and though the religious parts were of
little itnerest to me (yes, i understand the need to place much of it
in that context), I was absolutely riveted by the mathematical moments.
Ramanujan has always been synonymous with inherent genius, but it
wasn't until reading the book that much of what he did really came
sharply into focus (for me). Great story, but i really wonder about
how the mathematics will translate and i REALLY worry about how the
filmmakers will portray his relationship with GH Hardy; i hope they
don't make it too patronizing.
On a related note, maybe if this is wellreceived, a PAUL ERDOS movie
could be forthcomign? now THAT would be something!

"N is a Number: A Portrait of Paul Erds".
<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125425/>
Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca
Department of Mathematics http://www.math.ubc.ca/~israel
University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC, Canada 

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Which system are you talking about? If its the Raj, it was what helped
India emerge from
5000 years of religious backwardness. 

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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:48 am Post subject:
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benadam777 wrote:
Quote:  A truly incredible mathematician that, unfortunately, is not well known
outside the circle of mathematicians.

agreed.
i read the book a while back and though the religious parts were of
little itnerest to me (yes, i understand the need to place much of it
in that context), I was absolutely riveted by the mathematical moments.
Ramanujan has always been synonymous with inherent genius, but it
wasn't until reading the book that much of what he did really came
sharply into focus (for me). Great story, but i really wonder about
how the mathematics will translate and i REALLY worry about how the
filmmakers will portray his relationship with GH Hardy; i hope they
don't make it too patronizing.
On a related note, maybe if this is wellreceived, a PAUL ERDOS movie
could be forthcomign? now THAT would be something! :)
goro 

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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:19 pm Post subject:
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It will be India's equivalent to "A Beautiful Mind." 

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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject:
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Unfortunately, he died at a very early age (I think 31). The
sojourn in England did not suit him well.
His widow died only recently. 

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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject:
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RichA wrote:
Quote:  This kind of film would never see the light of day in Hollywood unless
they can spin some antirightist B.S. out of it to show how he was kept
"down" by the "system"

Almost all of India was kept down by the 'system' for a couple hundred
years. So what part of that is untrue. 

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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject:
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This kind of film would never see the light of day in Hollywood unless
they can spin some antirightist B.S. out of it to show how he was kept
"down" by the "system" and some communistoriented Brit "saved" him.
The idea that they would
delve into his actual work would be nice to see in the film, but don't
count on it if they
intend to sell this thing to the unwashed. 

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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject:
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"Larry Hammick" <larryhammick@telus.net> wrote in
news:1142666638.095916.206050@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
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Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
Film to celebrate maths genius
There was a biography of Ramanujan in Scientific American years ago;
large or specialized libraries may have it. The article was reprinted
with a lot of other interesting Sci. Am. pieces in a book called
"Mathematics in the Modern World".
Ramanujan was unique, no question about it. His abilities, or rather
his inspiration, would have staggered the top mathematicians of ANY
era.

Apparently they still do, since many of his insights remain unproven.
Hopefully this movie will inspire a new generation of youth to trive for
math careers. 

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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject:
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Wasn't there a similar story about Chandrasekar? Didn't he send
letters from India to the most prominent Cambridge mathematician, a
distinguished older gentleman? Didn't he surprise the hell out of
everybody with his advances, which to their minds, seemed to appear
suddenly from out of nowhere? Wasn't he taken under the wing of this
gentleman, where he continued to do brilliant work until he died at a
too young age in the vicinity of 41?
usenet@mantra.comJA8 and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote
in news:20060316nOawI6143osGQe@XzuI:
Quote:  Film to celebrate maths genius
By Soutik Biswas
BBC News, Indraprasth (aka Delhi)
Thursday, March 16, 2006
[Caption] Ramanujan was a mathematical genius
British director Stephen Fry and India's Dev Benegal are
to make a film about an Indian mathematician whose ideas
underpin the digital revolution.
Srinavasa Ramanujan, a poor college dropout who died aged
33, ended up at Cambridge in the early 1900s and was
acknowledged as a mathematical genius.
The joint production will look at his relationship with
Cambridge don GH Hardy who "discovered" him.
The film will begin shooting next year in Tamil Nadu
state and Cambridge.
"When your automated teller machines divide and
arrange your money before coughing it up, they are all
using Ramanujan's partition theory"
 Director Dev Benegal
A "major American or British star" will play the cricket
loving Hardy, whose stamp of approval took Ramanujan to
Cambridge University in 1914, Benegal told the BBC.
He said he and Fry would be looking for a "terrific
Indian actor" to play Ramanujan.
"It won't be [Bollywood stars like] Amir Khan or Shah
Rukh Khan surely. I am sure we will find the right
actor," he said.
'Man who knew infinity'
The multimillion dollar film will be shot in Erode
(where Ramanujan was born) and Kumbakonam (where he grew
up) in Tamil Nadu, and in Cambridge where he spent five
years.
[Caption] Hardy collaborated with Ramanujan for five
years
Ramanujan returned to India in 1919, and died there a
year later. His vegetarian diet in wartime Britain and
the harsh winters took their toll on his health.
Later dubbed the "man who knew infinity", Ramanujan was
born to a poor family in 1887.
He dropped out of college at a young age and lived off
charity after his obsession with mathematics led him to
fare badly in other subjects.
Craving recognition of his talents while working as a
clerk at the port in Madras, he shot off letters to
Cambridge mathematicians.
On his third attempt he found a sympathetic GH Hardy, who
preferred the poor and disadvantaged to the "confident,
booming, imperialist bourgeois English".
According to most accounts, Hardy initially thought
Ramanujan's 10page letter, containing over 100
statements of mathematical theorems, was a prank.
But after showing them to his peers, the academics
concluded that the "results must be true because, if they
were not true, no one would have the imagination to
invent them".
Digital pioneer
Hardy's recognition of Ramanujan's talents took the young
Indian to Cambridge, where the two worked together.
"What is amazing is that two people from two completely
different backgrounds found a common language in the
world of numbers and maths," says Benegal.
[Caption] Fry studied at Cambridge himself
Benegal says he travelled to Erode and Kumbakonam to
research the film, although the mathematician's relatives
are all dead or untraceable.
Ramanujan's wife died in the late 1980s. She adopted a
son only after her husband's death.
"For me, Ramanujan's work and ideas are the DNA of what
powers digital technology today," says Benegal.
"When your automated teller machines divide and arrange
your money before coughing it up, they are all using
Ramanujan's partition theory."
Benegal says he first thought of making the film while
travelling along the Kaveri river, past the towns in
which Ramanujan had been born and studied all those years
ago.
A chance encounter with the Cambridgeeducated Fry a few
months ago led to the two men discovering a common
interest.
"I don't know whether the RamanujanHardy encounter is
part of Cambridge lore, but Fry definitely knew about it
and had harboured a deep interest in the subject
himself," says Benegal.
'Elitism'
Fry and Benegal hope to meet Indian Prime Minister
Manmohan Singh  himself a Cambridge alumnus  and Indian
President APJ Abdul Kalam  whose birthplace is close to
Ramanujan's  next week in Delhi.
[Caption Benegal discovered Fry's interest by chance
Dev Benegal's filmmaking career began in 1994 with his
feature English, August (1994), an irreverent study of
the lumbering Indian bureaucracy.
His next film  Split Wide Open Dev, about the war for
water  was short listed for Venice International Film
Festival.
The multitalented Fry is one of Britain's bestknown
actors, comedians and writers. He made his directorial
debut with Bright Young Things in 2003.
He recently criticised the "ridiculous sense of elitism"
at Cambridge University.
"The best thing about having gone to Cambridge University
was never having to deal with not going there," he said
after receiving an honorary degree at the city's other
higher education institution, Anglia Ruskin University,
last year.
More at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4811920.stm
I posted the following Hinduism Today article in 1995:
[ Subject: COMPUTING THE MATHEMATICAL FACE OF GOD: S. RAMANUJAN
[ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
[ Date: 15 Mar 1995
Computing the Mathematical Face of God: S. Ramanujan
Hinduism Today
http://www.hinduismtoday.com
February 1990
He died on his bed after scribbling down revolutionary
mathematical formulas that bloomed in his mind like
ethereal flowers  gifts, he said, from a Hindu Goddess.
He was 32 the same age that the advaitan advocate Adi
Shankara died. Shankara, born in 788, left earth in 820.
Srinivasa Ramanujan was born in 1887. He died in 1920 
an anonymous Vaishnavite brahmin who became the first
Indian mathematics Fellow at Cambridge University. Both
Shankara and Ramanujan possessed supernatural
intelligence, a well of genius that leaves even brilliant
men dumbfounded. Ramanujan was a meteor in the
mathematics world of the World War I era. Quiet, with
dharmic sensibilities, yet his mind blazed with such
intuitive improvisation that British colleagues at
Cambridge  the best math brains in England  could not
even guess where his ideas originated. It irked them a
bit that Ramanujan told friends the Hindu Goddess
Namagiri whispered equations into his ear. Today's
mathematicians armed with supercomputers  are still
starstruck, and unable to solve many theorems the young
man from India proved quickly by pencil and paper.
Ramanujan spawned a zoo of mathematical creatures that
delight, confound and humble his peers. They call them
"beautiful," "humble," "transcendent," and marvel how he
reduced very complex terrain to simple shapes.
In his day these equations were mainly pure mathematics,
abstract computations that math sages often feel describe
God's precise design for the cosmos. While much of
Ramanujan's work remains abstract, many of his theorems
are now the mathematical power behind several 1990's
disciplines in astrophysics, artificial intelligence and
gas physics. According to his wife  Janaki, who still
lives outside Madras her husband predicted "his
mathematics would be useful to mathematicians for more
than a century." Yet, before sailing to England,
Ramanujan was largely ignorant of the prevailing highest
level math. He flunked out of college in India. Like
Albert Einstein, who toiled as a clerk in a Swiss patent
office while evolving his Special Theory of Relativity at
odd hours, Ramanujan worked as a clerk at a port
authority in Madras, spending every spare moment
contemplating the mathematical face of God. It was here
in these seasmelling, paperpushing offices that he was
gently pushed into destiny  a plan that has all the
earmarks of divine design.
Ramanujan was born in Erode, a small, rustic town in
Tamil Nadu, India. His father worked as a clerk in a
cloth merchant's shop. his namesake is that of another
medieval philosophical giant Ramanuja  a Vaishnavite
who postulated the Vedanta system known as "qualified
monism." the math prodigy grew up in the overlapping
atmospheres of religious observances and ambitious
academics. He wasn't spiritually preoccupied, but he was
steeped in the reality and beneficence of the Deities,
especially the Goddess Namagiri. Math, of course, was his
intellectual and spiritual touchstone. No one really
knows how early in life ramanujan awakened to the psychic
visitations of Namagiri, much less how the
interpenetration of his mind and the Goddess' worked. By
age twelve he had mastered trigonometry so completely
that he was inventing sophisticated theorems that
astonished teachers. In fact his first theorems
unwittingly duplicated those of a great mathematician of
a hundred years earlier. This feat came after sifting
once through a trigonometry book. he was disappointed
that his "discovery" has already been found. then for
four years there was numerical silence. At sixteen a
copy of an outofdate math book from Cambridge
University came into his hands. It listed 5,000 theorems
with sparse, shortcut proofs. Even initiates in the
arcane language of mathematics could get lost in this
work. Ramanujan entered it with the giddy ambition and
verve of an astronaut leaping onto the moon. It
subconsciously triggered a love of numbers that
completely saturated his mind. He could envision strange
mathematical concepts like ordinary people see the waves
of an ocean.
Ironically, his focus on math became his academic
undoing. he outpaced his teachers in numbers theory, but
neglected all other subjects. He could speak adequate
English, but failed in it and history and other science
courses. He lost a scholarship, dropped out, attempted a
return but fell ill and quit a second time. By this time
he was married to Janaki, a young teenager, and was
supporting his mother. Often all night he continued his
personal excursions into the math universe  being fed
rice balls by his wife as he wrote lying bellydown on a
cot. During the day he factored relatively mundane
accounts at the post office for 20 pounds a year. He
managed to publish one math paper.
As mathematicians would say, one branch of potential
reality could have gone with Ramanujan squandering his
life at the port. But with one nudge from the invisible
universe, Namagiri sent him Westward. A manager at the
office admire the young man's work and sensed
significance. He talked him into writing to British
mathematicians who might sponsor him. Ramanujan wrote a
simple letter to the renowned G. W. Hardy at Cambridge,
hinting humbly at his breakthroughs and describing his
vegetarian diet and spartan needs if he should come to
the university. He enclosed one hundred of his theorem
equations.
Hardy was the brightest mathematician in England. Yet, as
he knew and would write later at the conclusion of his
life, he had done no original, mindbending work. At
Cambridge he collaborated with an odd man named
Littlewood, who was so publicly retiring that people
joked Hardy made him up. The two, though living within a
hundred yards of each other, communicated by exchange of
terse, mathladen letters. Ramanujan's letter and
equations fell to them like a broadcast from alien
worlds. AT first they dismissed it as a curiosity.
Then, they suddenly became intrigued by the Indian's
musings. Hardy later wrote: "A single look at them is
enough to show that they could only be written down by a
mathematician of the highest class. They must be true,
for if they were not true, no one would have the
imagination to invent them."
Hardy sensed an extremely rare opportunity, a
"discovery," and quickly arranged a scholarship for the
then 26yearold Ramanujan. The invitation came to India
and landed like a bomb in Ramanujan's family and
community circle. His mother was horrified that he would
lose caste by traveling to foreign shores. She refused
to let him go unless it was sanctioned by the Goddess.
According to one version of the story, the aged mother
then dreamt of the blessing from Namagiri. But Janaki
says her husband himself went to the namagiri temple for
guidance and was told to make the voyage. Ramanujan
consulted the astrological data for his journey. He sent
is mother and wife to another town so they wouldn't see
him with his long brahmin's hair and bun trimmed to
British short style and his Indian shirt and wrapcloth
swapped for European fashion. He left India as a
slightly plump man with appleround cheeks and eyes like
bright zeroes.
Arriving in 1914 on the eve of World War I, Ramanujan
experienced severe culture shock at Cambridge. he had to
cook for himself and insisted on going bare foot Hindu
style on the cold floors. But Hardy, a man without airs
or inflated ego, made him feel comfortable amidst the
stuffy Cambridge tradition. Hardy and Littlewood both
served as his mentors for it took two teachers to keep
pace with his advances. Soon, as Hardy recounts, it was
Ramanujan who was teaching them, in fact leaving them in
the wake of incandescent genius.
Within a few months war broke out. Cambridge became a
military college. vegetable and fruit shortages plagued
Ramanujan's already slim diet. The war took away
Littlewood to artillery research, and Ramanujan and Hardy
were left to retreat into some of the most recondite math
possible. One of the stunning examples of this endeavor
is a process called partitioning, figuring out how many
different ways a whole number can be expressed as the sum
of other whole numbers. Example: 4 is partitioned 5 ways
(4 itself, 3+1, 2+2, 2+1+1, 1+1+1+1), expressed as
p(4)=5. The higher the number, the more the partitions.
Thus p(7)=15. Deceptively though, even a marginally
larger number creates astronomical partitions.
p(200)=397,999,029,388. Ramanujan  with Hardy offering
technical checks  invented a tight, twisting formula
that computes the partitions exactly. To check the
theorem a fellow Cambridge mathematician tallied by hand
the partitions for 200. It took one month. Ramanujan's
equation was precisely correct. U.S. mathematician
George Andrews, who in the late 1960's rediscovered a
"lost notebook" of Ramanujan's and became a lifetime
devotee, describes his accuracy as unthinkable to even
attempt. Ramanujan's partition equation helped later
physicists determine the number of electron orbit jumps
in the "shell" model of atoms.
ANother anecdote demonstrates his mental landscape. By
1917, Ramanujan had fallen seriously ill and was
convalescing in a country house. Hardy took a taxi to
visit him. As math masters like to do he noted the
taxi's number 1729  to see if it yielded any
interesting permutations. To him it didn't and he
thought to himself as he went up the steps to the door
that it was a rather dull number and hoped it was not an
inauspicious sign. He mentioned 1729 to Ramanujan who
immediately countered, "Actually, it is a very
interesting number. It is the smallest number
expressible as the sum of two cubes in two different
ways."
Ramanujan deteriorated so quickly that he was forced to
return to India  emaciated  leaving his math
notebooks at Cambridge. He spent his final year face
down on a cot furiously writing out pages and pages of
theorems as if a storm of number concepts swept through
his brain. Many remain beyond today's best math minds.
Debate still lingers as to the origins of Ramanujan's
edifice of unique ideas. Mathematicians eagerly
acknowledge surprise states of intuition as the real
breakthroughs, not logical deduction. There is reticence
to accept mystical overtones, though, like Andrews, many
can appreciate intuition *in the guise* of a Goddess. But
we have Ramanujan's own testimony of feminine whisperings
from a Devi and there is the sheer power of his
achievements. Hindus cognize this reality. As an
epilogue to this story, a seance held in 1934 claimed to
have contacted Ramanujan in the astral planes. Asked if
he was continuing his work, he replied, "No, all interest
in mathematics dropped out after crossing over."
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February 1990
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kqurtyhar@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:  Which leads me to my question. Would you rather lead a brilliant but
short life or a long an average life and why?

Hindu proverb: "Man after man dies; seeing this, men still live as if
they were immortal."
YMMV. 

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