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– Colonel –
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:18 pm    Post subject: Galvanic Corrosion Question Reply with quote

Hello all.

I have a question about galvanic corrosion involving aluminum, zinc,
steel and other metals in a saltwater marine environment.

I have a boat with an inboard Chevrolet 350 V-8 engine which is
raw-water-cooled. What that means is that salty seawater is drawn from
outside the boat, it is circulated through the engine, then it exits
the engine through the exhaust manifold, riser and exhaust pipes in
what is known as a "marine wet exhaust."

Raw-water-cooled engines usually have cooler thermostats than
freshwater-cooled motors (which typically have a sealed cooling system
on one side and a heat exchanger on the other), I suppose to help
prevent deposition of salt in the engine. (My thermostat opens at 140°F
and that is pretty much the normal operating temp.)

OK, the exhaust manifolds and risers in marine engines are usually made
from cast iron, and they usually must be replaced every 6 years (parts
cost: $600) to prevent a hole from rusting through between the water
jacket and the exhaust gas passage. If this happens, you can easily
ruin an engine by trying to compress water, or by seizing everything up
with rust.

I'm due to replace my manifolds and risers, and I now have an
opportunity to buy aluminum ones instead of cast-iron ones (although
they're about $750 instead of $600 for iron) and I'm thinking that it
might be a good way to end the cycle of replacing manifolds every six
years.

Some fellow boaters are saying "Don't do it, because aluminum and
saltwater don't mix!" but I'm not so sure that it's such a bad idea.

Here's my reasoning, see whether you agree:

1. Outboard engines are made of aluminum and aluminum alloys, and they
do just fine in saltwater marine environments SO LONG AS THEY HAVE
ACTIVE ZINC ANODES ATTACHED. Cast iron, in contrast, rusts out
regardless of whether or not you have zinc anodes. There's no way to
stop it that I know of.

2. There are threaded plugs in the aluminum manifolds, into which I
would install a brass plug with a zinc anode inside it. This zinc anode
would be in the "wet" part of the exhaust manifold, where immersion in
ionic saltwater would allow galvanic corrosion of the zinc to take
place. Zinc is less "noble" in the galvanic series than aluminum, so as
long as the zinc anode is actively corroding, the aluminum should not
corrode.

3. This boat is stored on a trailer, not in the water, so it wouldn't
be in an "active" galvanic environment all the time. In addition, after
every time I use the boat in saltwater, I flush the engine with
freshwater by using a garden hose. This, I believe, should lengthen the
life of my zinc anodes.

What do you metallurgy experts think? I would appreciate any thoughts
or insights, since I probably know just enough about metallurgy to be
dangerous.

Thank you.

Col.
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William P.N. Smith
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Galvanic Corrosion Question Reply with quote

– Colonel – <nobody@verizon.net> wrote:
Quote:
I have a boat with an inboard Chevrolet 350 V-8 engine which is
raw-water-cooled. What that means is that salty seawater is drawn from
outside the boat, it is circulated through the engine, then it exits
the engine through the exhaust manifold, riser and exhaust pipes in
what is known as a "marine wet exhaust."

Now you are scaring me! 8*) What's the block made of, cast iron like
everything else? What happens when the block rusts thru?

Do you currently have sacrificial zinc anodes?

You are correct that zinc anodes can prevent electrolysis of aluminum
outboards, but I'm not sure I'd mix cast iron, aluminum, and zinc.
Even with the best engineered solution, I'm imagining the aluminum
being sacrifical to the cast iron, and lasting a much shorter period
of time...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:32 am    Post subject: Re: Galvanic Corrosion Question Reply with quote

On 2006-04-04 16:52:02 -0400, William P.N. Smith
<news2006b@compusmiths.com> said:

Quote:
– Colonel – <nobody@verizon.net> wrote:
I have a boat with an inboard Chevrolet 350 V-8 engine which is
raw-water-cooled. What that means is that salty seawater is drawn from
outside the boat, it is circulated through the engine, then it exits
the engine through the exhaust manifold, riser and exhaust pipes in
what is known as a "marine wet exhaust."

Now you are scaring me! 8*) What's the block made of, cast iron like
everything else? What happens when the block rusts thru?

Thanks for your reply. Supposedly rusting-out engine blocks aren't much
of a concern (at least not for many many years).

Quote:
Do you currently have sacrificial zinc anodes?

Yes. But apparently they don't stop the manifolds from rusting out (I
suspect because rusting isn't a form of galvanic corrosion?)

Quote:
You are correct that zinc anodes can prevent electrolysis of aluminum
outboards, but I'm not sure I'd mix cast iron, aluminum, and zinc.
Even with the best engineered solution, I'm imagining the aluminum
being sacrifical to the cast iron, and lasting a much shorter period
of time...

Hmmm...interesting point. I was going to reply that outboard engines
have plenty of iron/steel parts (fasteners, etc.) ... but now that I
think about it, I realize there's really not as much surface area of
iron/steel in an outboard engine as there is in a 500# V-8 engine block.

Question: Isn't there something that affects the speed of galvanic
corrosion that has to do with the amount of surface area of the cathode
and anode...where the bigger the surface area of the immersed cathode
is, the faster the anode is sacrificed?

If so, I guess the "huge" surface area of the iron engine block would
make the "fairly big" surface area of the aluminum manifold want to
sacrifice itself to the iron...and the zinc anode would want to
sacrifice itself to both the aluminum AND the iron...right?

This is making my head hurt...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Galvanic Corrosion Question Reply with quote

– Colonel – <nobody@verizon.net> wrote:
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If so, I guess the "huge" surface area of the iron engine block would
make the "fairly big" surface area of the aluminum manifold want to
sacrifice itself to the iron...and the zinc anode would want to
sacrifice itself to both the aluminum AND the iron...right?

That's what I'm thinking as well. Under normal circumstances a zinc
anode will sacrifice itself to protect the rest of the system, but in
those cases the rest of the system is all one material (iron or
aluminum). Giant chunks of aluminum and iron together are going to
set up enough current flow that your little zincs are going to be
swamped.

I'd stick with the frequent rinsing and replacement, or spend the
money on a heat exchanger and run fresh water (well, antifreeze) thru
the block.
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