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top9@gazeta.pl
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 Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:20 am Post subject:
Anomalous movement resistance in a spinning gyroscope
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http://www.oswirus.krakow.pl/cat_14/gyroscope/
A symmetric harnessed gyroscope accelerated to a given spinning
frequency takes different time periods to stop, depending on the
direction of previous spins. For repeated alternating, anticlockwise
and clockwise spinning, the rotation period in both directions
significantly increases, which is not the case when the gyroscope is
repeatedly rotated in the same direction. Using the measurements it was
observed, that the time of gyroscope's rotation was significantly
lengthened or shortened, what indicates that it either increased or
decreased the movement resistance of the gyroscope. The presented
experimental results suggest the existence of anomalous movement
resistance and demonstrate that a fixed spinning gyroscope displays
unusual history-dependent movement resistance effects. The effect is
real, large, reproducible and does not follow from experimental errors.
The manuscript was reviewed thrice, according to the publishing
procedure in "Physical Review Letters" within two year. The remarks of
all the reviewers were taken into account during its correction.
Because the publishing procedure for our manuscript in "Physical Review
Letters" finished, we decided to publish it in Journal of Technical
Physics, J.Tech. Phys., 46, 2, 107-115, 2005. |
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Dirk Bruere
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top9@gazeta.pl wrote:
| Quote: | http://www.oswirus.krakow.pl/cat_14/gyroscope/
A symmetric harnessed gyroscope accelerated to a given spinning
frequency takes different time periods to stop, depending on the
direction of previous spins. For repeated alternating, anticlockwise
and clockwise spinning, the rotation period in both directions
significantly increases, which is not the case when the gyroscope is
repeatedly rotated in the same direction. Using the measurements it was
observed, that the time of gyroscope's rotation was significantly
lengthened or shortened, what indicates that it either increased or
decreased the movement resistance of the gyroscope. The presented
experimental results suggest the existence of anomalous movement
resistance and demonstrate that a fixed spinning gyroscope displays
unusual history-dependent movement resistance effects. The effect is
real, large, reproducible and does not follow from experimental errors.
The manuscript was reviewed thrice, according to the publishing
procedure in "Physical Review Letters" within two year. The remarks of
all the reviewers were taken into account during its correction.
Because the publishing procedure for our manuscript in "Physical Review
Letters" finished, we decided to publish it in Journal of Technical
Physics, J.Tech. Phys., 46, 2, 107-115, 2005.
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Memory effect in its bearings?
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realist
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| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject:
Re: Anomalous movement resistance in a spinning gyroscope
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I was recently notified of your paper, "Anomalous movement resistance
in a spinning gyroscope"
Journal of Technical Physics, J.Tech. Phys., 46, 2, 107-115, 2005
After reading it three times... I was amazed, and very impressed, and
I was sorry to see the difficulty that was experienced with the APS,
and so I would personally like to thank you and the co-authors for
releasing the paper, and for the work and the research involved. |
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Dirk Bruere
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| Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:43 am Post subject:
Re: Anomalous movement resistance in a spinning gyroscope
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realist wrote:
| Quote: | I was recently notified of your paper, "Anomalous movement resistance
in a spinning gyroscope"
Journal of Technical Physics, J.Tech. Phys., 46, 2, 107-115, 2005
After reading it three times... I was amazed, and very impressed, and
I was sorry to see the difficulty that was experienced with the APS,
and so I would personally like to thank you and the co-authors for
releasing the paper, and for the work and the research involved.
It's definately the kind of thing that ought to be investigated further. |
If I were you I'd repeat the experiment using a different type of bearing.
Dirk |
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top9@gazeta.pl
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:12 pm Post subject:
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No, it is "memory" effect in it's disc of rotor! |
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Dirk Bruere
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject:
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top9@gazeta.pl wrote:
| Quote: | No, it is "memory" effect in it's disc of rotor!
So have you replicated the effect with a different type of bearing? |
From the look of the setup I'd say that microscopic burring in the
needle bearing would show memory effects.
Dirk |
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top9@gazeta.pl
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:43 am Post subject:
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These effects are also on rolling bearing. |
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top9@gazeta.pl
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:44 am Post subject:
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The bearing's top is being robbed away so the friction couple rises,
and that in turn causes the shortening of rotation's time. As we have
used bearings made of very hard materials the effect should be very
small. The later is just showing the experimental results proving at
the same time that the measurements depend on preceding rotations of
the same gyroscope. What is more, the time differences for the right
and left rotations are big at the beginning of the series of
measurements, then they go down as the time of gyroscope's movement
rises, in other words, as the next measurements follow. It seems
obvious that the bearings' irregularities would generate an opposite
effect. |
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Dirk Bruere
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject:
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top9@gazeta.pl wrote:
| Quote: | The bearing's top is being robbed away so the friction couple rises,
and that in turn causes the shortening of rotation's time. As we have
used bearings made of very hard materials the effect should be very
small. The later is just showing the experimental results proving at
the same time that the measurements depend on preceding rotations of
the same gyroscope. What is more, the time differences for the right
and left rotations are big at the beginning of the series of
measurements, then they go down as the time of gyroscope's movement
rises, in other words, as the next measurements follow. It seems
obvious that the bearings' irregularities would generate an opposite
effect.
Well, the next question has to be that of materials. |
Does this effect persist when different metals/materials are used for
the gyroscope rotor? I would have thought that if it is real, as in not
a basic mechanical error, then different materials would give different
results. Obviously this might be difficult but ideally one should try
two different materials of the same density and dimensions. Have you
tried this?
Dirk |
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Douglas Eagleson
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject:
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top9@gazeta.pl wrote:
| Quote: | http://www.oswirus.krakow.pl/cat_14/gyroscope/
A symmetric harnessed gyroscope accelerated to a given spinning
frequency takes different time periods to stop, depending on the
direction of previous spins. For repeated alternating, anticlockwise
and clockwise spinning, the rotation period in both directions
significantly increases, which is not the case when the gyroscope is
repeatedly rotated in the same direction. Using the measurements it was
observed, that the time of gyroscope's rotation was significantly
lengthened or shortened, what indicates that it either increased or
decreased the movement resistance of the gyroscope. The presented
experimental results suggest the existence of anomalous movement
resistance and demonstrate that a fixed spinning gyroscope displays
unusual history-dependent movement resistance effects. The effect is
real, large, reproducible and does not follow from experimental errors.
The manuscript was reviewed thrice, according to the publishing
procedure in "Physical Review Letters" within two year. The remarks of
all the reviewers were taken into account during its correction.
Because the publishing procedure for our manuscript in "Physical Review
Letters" finished, we decided to publish it in Journal of Technical
Physics, J.Tech. Phys., 46, 2, 107-115, 2005.
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Well, the effect to be demonstrated is well documented. A
directionality exists.
A telescope of the kind envisioned by the LIGOS team is the tele-gyro.
A difference in location with respect to that which is viewed.
And so the question then becomes what causes the force to appear.
We have had fifty years of anomaly reporting and the theorist has
already ascribed the cause.
And to give the simple version, all spin in relation to the difference
of well, appears
as the precession purterbed.
It is a true gravity related force but is independent. So name that
force is to be the arguement. And if the scientist refuses to identify
the force then theory marchs on and eclipses them.
A quanta of this force is the goal. And the correct density of momenta
to direct the quanta is always beyond the nuclear density. It is a nice
calm region in the force differential field and the outcome in reality
is the technology afforded by the use of self synchronizing media. Spun
liquids will order because of this force's existence.
So the spun weather shows this force effect also, and it is to be just
another wonder except to self symchronize in relation to the earth is
the everpresent science to be given name.
So I get to name it here maybe: geolithing
A word to convey the geometric relation of the directed graph.
Douglas Eagleson
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top9@gazeta.pl
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:35 am Post subject:
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Dirk Bruere wrote:
| Quote: | Well, the next question has to be that of materials.
Does this effect persist when different metals/materials are used for
the gyroscope rotor? I would have thought that if it is real, as in not
a basic mechanical error, then different materials would give different
results. Obviously this might be difficult but ideally one should try
two different materials of the same density and dimensions. Have you
tried this?
Dirk
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Those effects strongly depend on material
(substance) of the rotor's disk, for example they are
great for the rotor's disk made in teflon and small one
for the rotor's disk made in plexiglas. |
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realist
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| Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject:
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it is a "memory" effects in material of rotor! |
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Douglas Eagleson
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 10:44 am Post subject:
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realist wrote:
| Quote: | it is a "memory" effects in material of rotor!
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Attributing the effect of material friction on the result as the cause
was discounted in the experiment.
A zero friction magnetic levitation bearing would show the same result.
A real time difference to be measured as a result of the rotational....
And the dots mean the theory is not present in literature. Why does
the result occur?
A property of relativity as theory is likely the cause.
for what it is worth. A single gyroscope that counts the number of
turns as the location is changed, may function as a single gyroscope
inertial guidance system.
Real missiles my be launched to prove the experimental result.
A rate of turn change, plots the effect in relation to space. And the
result is not going to disappear. It is a foundational effect. |
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top9@gazeta.pl
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject:
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We made measurements for different settings of rotor, for example the
spindle of the rotor was laid horizontally. The effect always exists
and is large. For the same bearings and the same dimensions of rotor
we have observed different size of the effects. The effect is small if
the disk of the rotor is made of plexiglas, and very large if the disk
of the rotor is made of teflon. |
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Alf P. Steinbach
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject:
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* top9@gazeta.pl:
| Quote: | http://www.oswirus.krakow.pl/cat_14/gyroscope/
[snip]
The manuscript was reviewed thrice, according to the publishing
procedure in "Physical Review Letters" within two year. The remarks of
all the reviewers were taken into account during its correction.
Because the publishing procedure for our manuscript in "Physical Review
Letters" finished, we decided to publish it in Journal of Technical
Physics, J.Tech. Phys., 46, 2, 107-115, 2005.
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Layman's reaction:
I think it would be a good idea to ask here simply for the meaning of
one referee's comment that the observed effects can be simply explained,
and that your supposition regarding friction (that frictional effects
would necessarily yield shorter times instead of longer) was wrong.
Perhaps it's true that the paper was not appropriate for PRL (not
demonstrating new physics), but nevertheless describes a good experiment
deserving to be published somewhere else? Then, not quite believing
that, you ended up in a morass of politics and quibbling. Having that
sort of thing stretch out for years is ungood.
So again, I advice you to seek clarification on the basic assumptions
regarding friction. For example, a posting here stating your
assumptions, as clearly as possible, and openly asking how these
assumptions could be wrong /in the context of your experiment/.
Anyway, it would probably be a good idea to get help from someone more
fluent in English, and do a review of the text simply as text. Because
language and presentation can be real obstacles. Also, please don't
publish MS Word documents on a site named "oswirus"... ;-)
--
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is it such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? |
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