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Any Chemical Engineers Can Advise on Soda Ash?
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BIGEYE
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:21 am    Post subject: Any Chemical Engineers Can Advise on Soda Ash? Reply with quote

We have a soda ash mixing plant that we want to use to make up batches of
soda ash solution, and use this for pH control.
The mixing plant consists of 2 x 900 litre tanks fitted with electric
mixers.
We will fill each tanks with 900 litres water, then add about 200 kg of
dense soda ash powder to each tank. This gives a solution pH of about 11.8
when mixed.
Can anyone advise how long this solution should be mixed to ensure that the
powder is completely dissolved.
Also, once the solution is mixed, if it is not used for some time and just
sits in the tanks, can the soda ash re-crystallise and settle out in the
bottom of the tank?
Appreciate any advice.
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john.spevacek@aspenresear
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Any Chemical Engineers Can Advise on Soda Ash? Reply with quote

I can't advise you on the full matter, but clearly the answers will
depend on the mixers, the blades, the mixer speed, the rate of addition
of the ash, water temperature and maybe a few other things.

Experiment first on a small scale to learn a few basics and scale up
from their.

John
Aspen Research, - www.aspenresearch.com
"Turning Questions into Answers"

Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my
employer.
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Jerry Avins
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Any Chemical Engineers Can Advise on Soda Ash? Reply with quote

BIGEYE wrote:
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We have a soda ash mixing plant that we want to use to make up batches of
soda ash solution, and use this for pH control.
The mixing plant consists of 2 x 900 litre tanks fitted with electric
mixers.
We will fill each tanks with 900 litres water, then add about 200 kg of
dense soda ash powder to each tank. This gives a solution pH of about 11.8
when mixed.
Can anyone advise how long this solution should be mixed to ensure that the
powder is completely dissolved.
Also, once the solution is mixed, if it is not used for some time and just
sits in the tanks, can the soda ash re-crystallise and settle out in the
bottom of the tank?
Appreciate any advice.

I'm no chemical engineer, but I can tell you that soda ash won't
crystallize out unless the water evaporates or you dissolve it hot and
allow the solution to cool.

Soda ash is properly anhydrous sodium carbonate, but the name is also
sometimes used for forms with differing amounts of water of
crystallization (crystal carbonate: Na2CO3.7H2O and washing soda,
Na2CO3.10H2O). All forms are more soluble in hot water than cold, but if
dissolved cold there's no settling.

My old CRC handbook tells me that 71 grams/liter of anhydrous Na2CO3
dissolve at 0C, and 455 at 100C. I suspect that 222 grams/liter is a bit
supersaturated at room temperature. You might be interested in a chart
at http://www.fmcchemicals.com/Content/CPG/Images/Caustic.pdf. Page 3
provides a cautionary warning about the temperature of solution and the
formation of precipitating hepta- and decahydrate forms.

Jerry
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