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Eric Gisse
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 Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 4:36 pm Post subject:
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Y.Porat wrote:
| Quote: | Here is a little quote for you from Vikipedia""
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Definition
1 coulomb is the amount of electric charge carried by a current of 1
ampere flowing for 1 second.
It can also be defined in terms of capacitance and voltage, where one
coulomb is defined as one farad of capacitance times one volt of
electric potential difference:
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Explanation
The coulomb is also the unit of electric flux. (See Gauss Law.)
The coulomb could in principle be defined in terms of the charge of an
electron or elementary charge. Since the values of the Josephson (CIPM
(1988) Recommendation 1, PV 56; 19) and von Klitzing (CIPM (1988),
Recommendation 2, PV 56; 20) constants have been given conventional
values (KJ = 4.835 979×1014 Hz/V and RK = 2.581 280 7×104 O), it
is possible to combine these values to form an alternative (not yet
official) definition of the coulomb. A coulomb is then equal to exactly
6.241 509 629 152 65×1018 elementary charges. Combined with the
current definition of the ampere, this proposed definition would make
the kilogram a derived unit.
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do you know English ??
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As a matter of fact I do.
I suggest you take a course in it so you can read for comprehension.
You seem to have a reading disability.
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Y.Porat
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject:
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so ??
read my quote from vikipedia again
and tell us what is a derived Kilogran from the coulomb
TIA
Y.Porat
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Golden Boar
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject:
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FrediFizzx wrote:
| Quote: | "Golden Boar" <goldenboar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148818130.379613.138020@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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| Y.Porat wrote:
| > what about Coulomb force ???
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| > may be you enlight us ??
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| > TIA
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| You said, "NO MASS NO REAL PHYSICS OF FORCES !! "
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| I will keep it simple so you don't get confused.
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| F = q1 * q2 / (4 * pi * e0 * r^2)
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| F is the force,
| q1 and q2 are charges,
| e0 is the electric constant,
| r^2 is the distance between the charges.
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| Do you see any mass there?
Sure. In SI units, eps0 ~= 8.85E-12 (seconds^4 amp^2)/(kilogram
meter^3). A farad is coul^2/joule or (A s)^2(s^2/(kg m^2)).
FrediFizzx
Quantum Vacuum Charge papers;
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
http://www.vacuum-physics.com
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You must be joking Fred.
Do you really think that empty space has mass?
The reason that eps0 has mass in its units is because mu0 is 4 * pi *
10^-7 kg m C^-2.
So what does 1*10^-7 kg m C^-2 reperesent? |
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Golden Boar
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject:
Re: NO MASS - NO REAL PHYSICS OF FORCES !!
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Y.Porat wrote:
| Quote: | Here is a little quote for you from Vikipedia""
quote:
Definition
1 coulomb is the amount of electric charge carried by a current of 1
ampere flowing for 1 second.
It can also be defined in terms of capacitance and voltage, where one
coulomb is defined as one farad of capacitance times one volt of
electric potential difference:
[edit]
Explanation
The coulomb is also the unit of electric flux. (See Gauss Law.)
The coulomb could in principle be defined in terms of the charge of an
electron or elementary charge. Since the values of the Josephson (CIPM
(1988) Recommendation 1, PV 56; 19) and von Klitzing (CIPM (1988),
Recommendation 2, PV 56; 20) constants have been given conventional
values (KJ = 4.835 979×1014 Hz/V and RK = 2.581 280 7×104 O), it
is possible to combine these values to form an alternative (not yet
official) definition of the coulomb. A coulomb is then equal to exactly
6.241 509 629 152 65×1018 elementary charges. Combined with the
current definition of the ampere, this proposed definition would make
the kilogram a derived unit.
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do you know English ??
Y.P
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Nowhere on that page does it say that the Coulomb contains mass. |
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Golden Boar
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject:
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Y.Porat wrote:
| Quote: | so ??
read my quote from vikipedia again
and tell us what is a derived Kilogran from the coulomb
TIA
Y.Porat
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If the kilogram is derived from the Coulomb, then how can the Coulomb
contain mass? |
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Golden Boar
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject:
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Y.Porat wrote:
| Quote: | yes i see it in that 'eps' without Roentgen eyes .
ATB
Y.Porat
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So explain to me, why that 'eps0' contains mass.
Do you think that empty space has mass? |
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Igor
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:10 pm Post subject:
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Golden Boar wrote:
| Quote: | Y.Porat wrote:
what about Coulomb force ???
may be you enlight us ??
TIA
Y.Porat
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You said, "NO MASS NO REAL PHYSICS OF FORCES !! "
I will keep it simple so you don't get confused.
F = q1 * q2 / (4 * pi * e0 * r^2)
where,
F is the force,
q1 and q2 are charges,
e0 is the electric constant,
r^2 is the distance between the charges.
Do you see any mass there?
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And the ultimate irony here is that if the photon had a mass, the
Coulomb force would look much different. But I hate to interrupt by
throwing in some real physics... |
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Igor
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:11 pm Post subject:
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Y.Porat wrote:
| Quote: | see the' coulomb' value in Google
for instance in the Vikipedia
Gisse please tell Boar that the Coulomb contains mass ........
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Yes, Professor Coulomb did contain mass. |
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Y.Porat
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject:
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Good for you Igor
you are an honst scientist
not as all the other crooks
ATB
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject:
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please elaborate
TIA
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Dirk Van de moortel
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject:
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"Igor" <thoovler@excite.com> wrote in message news:1148840287.194718.311360@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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some dumass wrote:
NO MASS NO REAL PHYSICS OF FORCES !!
it is based among others , as well , on my new unprecedented
proof
that the photon has a nonzero rest mass.!
Hopeless thread. You remind me of the guy who was beating his head
against the wall and when asked why he was doing it, said "Because it
feels so good when I stop."
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Only, this one doesn't know the concept of pain.
When asked why he is doing it, he'll tell you that it is
the only way to get attention.
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Golden Boar
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject:
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Y.Porat wrote:
| Quote: | Good for you Igor
you are an honst scientist
not as all the other crooks
ATB
Y.Porat
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Lol, he's having fun with you Porat. He's saying the man named Coulomb
contained mass. |
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Golden Boar
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:39 pm Post subject:
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Y.Porat wrote:
| Quote: | it is not emthy space
and i think i gave you some lesson about how
a 'constant' tha tis composed of subphysical elements
can be presented in a differnt way than the orriginal one
by the simple example of
6 Newton = 2 kilograms times meter/second^2
ie how the Meter can be separated to the left side of the equation.and
all the rest - to the right side .
see it again in my proof of the nonzero rest mass of the photon
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What's the mass of the vacuum then?
The only thing you can give lessons in is stupidity, and I wouldn't
take lessons from you if you paid me. |
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FrediFizzx
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject:
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"Golden Boar" <goldenboar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| FrediFizzx wrote:
| > "Golden Boar" <goldenboar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1148818130.379613.138020@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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| > | Y.Porat wrote:
| > | > what about Coulomb force ???
| > | >
| > | > may be you enlight us ??
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| > | > TIA
| > | > Y.Porat
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| > | > ---------------------
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| > | You said, "NO MASS NO REAL PHYSICS OF FORCES !! "
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| > | I will keep it simple so you don't get confused.
| > |
| > | F = q1 * q2 / (4 * pi * e0 * r^2)
| > |
| > | where,
| > |
| > | F is the force,
| > | q1 and q2 are charges,
| > | e0 is the electric constant,
| > | r^2 is the distance between the charges.
| > |
| > | Do you see any mass there?
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| > Sure. In SI units, eps0 ~= 8.85E-12 (seconds^4 amp^2)/(kilogram
| > meter^3). A farad is coul^2/joule or (A s)^2(s^2/(kg m^2)).
| You must be joking Fred.
This whole thread is a joke. ;-)
| Do you really think that empty space has mass?
What makes you think that eps0 is about *empty* space?
| The reason that eps0 has mass in its units is because mu0 is 4 * pi *
| 10^-7 kg m C^-2.
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| So what does 1*10^-7 kg m C^-2 reperesent?
1*10^-7 henry/meter
FrediFizzx
Quantum Vacuum Charge papers;
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
http://www.vacuum-physics.com |
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Golden Boar
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject:
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FrediFizzx wrote:
| Quote: | "Golden Boar" <goldenboar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148838955.515105.32000@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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| FrediFizzx wrote:
| > "Golden Boar" <goldenboar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1148818130.379613.138020@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| > |
| > | Y.Porat wrote:
| > | > what about Coulomb force ???
| > |
| > | > may be you enlight us ??
| > |
| > | > TIA
| > | > Y.Porat
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| > | > ---------------------
| > |
| > | You said, "NO MASS NO REAL PHYSICS OF FORCES !! "
| > |
| > | I will keep it simple so you don't get confused.
| > |
| > | F = q1 * q2 / (4 * pi * e0 * r^2)
| > |
| > | where,
| > |
| > | F is the force,
| > | q1 and q2 are charges,
| > | e0 is the electric constant,
| > | r^2 is the distance between the charges.
| > |
| > | Do you see any mass there?
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| > Sure. In SI units, eps0 ~= 8.85E-12 (seconds^4 amp^2)/(kilogram
| > meter^3). A farad is coul^2/joule or (A s)^2(s^2/(kg m^2)).
| You must be joking Fred.
This whole thread is a joke. ;-)
| Do you really think that empty space has mass?
What makes you think that eps0 is about *empty* space?
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Ok I shouldn't have said empty space, I should have just said vacuum.
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| The reason that eps0 has mass in its units is because mu0 is 4 * pi *
| 10^-7 kg m C^-2.
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| So what does 1*10^-7 kg m C^-2 reperesent?
1*10^-7 henry/meter
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And how does mass fit into it? What's it the mass of?
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