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T Wake
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 Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject:
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"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in message
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Eric Gisse wrote:
Y.Porat wrote:
see the' coulomb' value in Google
for instance in the Vikipedia
Gisse please tell Boar that the Coulomb contains mass ........
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/units.html
You are an idiot.
now everty body is going to see that you are
a fucken Nazi s**t and disturbed imbecile
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Even if he was, you would still be an idiot. |
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Igor
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject:
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Y.Porat wrote:
| Quote: | Good for you Igor
you are an honst scientist
not as all the other crooks
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I wasn't agreeing with you. I think you went around the corner a long
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The Sorcerer
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject:
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"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote
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Awww... does you wants some attention, cunt?
Figure out who you are, cretin, that should keep you busy for a while.
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FrediFizzx
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 8:31 pm Post subject:
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"Golden Boar" <goldenboar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| FrediFizzx wrote:
| > "Golden Boar" <goldenboar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1148838955.515105.32000@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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| > | FrediFizzx wrote:
| > | > "Golden Boar" <goldenboar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:1148818130.379613.138020@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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| > | > | Y.Porat wrote:
| > | > | > what about Coulomb force ???
| > | > | >
| > | > | > may be you enlight us ??
| > | > | >
| > | > | > TIA
| > | > | > Y.Porat
| > | > | >
| > | > | > ---------------------
| > | > |
| > | > | You said, "NO MASS NO REAL PHYSICS OF FORCES !! "
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| > | > | I will keep it simple so you don't get confused.
| > | > |
| > | > | F = q1 * q2 / (4 * pi * e0 * r^2)
| > | > |
| > | > | where,
| > | > |
| > | > | F is the force,
| > | > | q1 and q2 are charges,
| > | > | e0 is the electric constant,
| > | > | r^2 is the distance between the charges.
| > | > |
| > | > | Do you see any mass there?
| > | >
| > | > Sure. In SI units, eps0 ~= 8.85E-12 (seconds^4 amp^2)/(kilogram
| > | > meter^3). A farad is coul^2/joule or (A s)^2(s^2/(kg m^2)).
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| > | You must be joking Fred.
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| > This whole thread is a joke. 
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| > | Do you really think that empty space has mass?
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| > What makes you think that eps0 is about *empty* space?
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| Ok I shouldn't have said empty space, I should have just said vacuum.
So what do you think eps0 has to do with vacuum? The classical vacuum
is empty space.
| > | The reason that eps0 has mass in its units is because mu0 is 4 *
pi *
| > | 10^-7 kg m C^-2.
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| > | So what does 1*10^-7 kg m C^-2 reperesent?
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| > 1*10^-7 henry/meter
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| And how does mass fit into it? What's it the mass of?
What is the mass that appears in a joule (kg m^2/s^2)? Do you think it
would be the same kind of mass?
FrediFizzx
Quantum Vacuum Charge papers;
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
http://www.vacuum-physics.com |
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Golden Boar
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject:
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FrediFizzx wrote:
| Quote: | "Golden Boar" <goldenboar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148842010.933788.84240@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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| FrediFizzx wrote:
| > "Golden Boar" <goldenboar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1148838955.515105.32000@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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| > | FrediFizzx wrote:
| > | > "Golden Boar" <goldenboar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:1148818130.379613.138020@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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| > | > | Y.Porat wrote:
| > | > | > what about Coulomb force ???
| > | > |
| > | > | > may be you enlight us ??
| > | > |
| > | > | > TIA
| > | > | > Y.Porat
| > | > |
| > | > | > ---------------------
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| > | > | You said, "NO MASS NO REAL PHYSICS OF FORCES !! "
| > | > |
| > | > | I will keep it simple so you don't get confused.
| > | > |
| > | > | F = q1 * q2 / (4 * pi * e0 * r^2)
| > | > |
| > | > | where,
| > | > |
| > | > | F is the force,
| > | > | q1 and q2 are charges,
| > | > | e0 is the electric constant,
| > | > | r^2 is the distance between the charges.
| > | > |
| > | > | Do you see any mass there?
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| > | > Sure. In SI units, eps0 ~= 8.85E-12 (seconds^4 amp^2)/(kilogram
| > | > meter^3). A farad is coul^2/joule or (A s)^2(s^2/(kg m^2)).
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| > | You must be joking Fred.
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| > This whole thread is a joke.
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| > | Do you really think that empty space has mass?
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| > What makes you think that eps0 is about *empty* space?
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| Ok I shouldn't have said empty space, I should have just said vacuum.
So what do you think eps0 has to do with vacuum? The classical vacuum
is empty space.
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eps0 is the permittivity of the vacuum.
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| > | The reason that eps0 has mass in its units is because mu0 is 4 *
pi *
| > | 10^-7 kg m C^-2.
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| > | So what does 1*10^-7 kg m C^-2 reperesent?
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| > 1*10^-7 henry/meter
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| And how does mass fit into it? What's it the mass of?
What is the mass that appears in a joule (kg m^2/s^2)? Do you think it
would be the same kind of mass?
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If you take E=mc^2 for example, then the mass is the mass of a
particle.
I personaly think that it comes from our lack of understanding about
physics, when mass and energy and force etc, where first concieved of.
What it basically boils down to is the units that Planck's constant
has, and it makes perfect sense to me to let hbar = 1.
As to the mass unit in eps0, what particle is associated with this?
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FrediFizzx
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject:
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"Golden Boar" <goldenboar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| FrediFizzx wrote:
| > "Golden Boar" <goldenboar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1148842010.933788.84240@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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| > | FrediFizzx wrote:
| > | > "Golden Boar" <goldenboar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:1148838955.515105.32000@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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| > | > | FrediFizzx wrote:
| > | > | > "Golden Boar" <goldenboar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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news:1148818130.379613.138020@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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| > | > | > | Y.Porat wrote:
| > | > | > | > what about Coulomb force ???
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > may be you enlight us ??
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > TIA
| > | > | > | > Y.Porat
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > ---------------------
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | You said, "NO MASS NO REAL PHYSICS OF FORCES !! "
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | I will keep it simple so you don't get confused.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | F = q1 * q2 / (4 * pi * e0 * r^2)
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | where,
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | F is the force,
| > | > | > | q1 and q2 are charges,
| > | > | > | e0 is the electric constant,
| > | > | > | r^2 is the distance between the charges.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Do you see any mass there?
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Sure. In SI units, eps0 ~= 8.85E-12 (seconds^4
amp^2)/(kilogram
| > | > | > meter^3). A farad is coul^2/joule or (A s)^2(s^2/(kg m^2)).
| > | >
| > | > | You must be joking Fred.
| > | >
| > | > This whole thread is a joke.
| > | >
| > | > | Do you really think that empty space has mass?
| > | >
| > | > What makes you think that eps0 is about *empty* space?
| > |
| > | Ok I shouldn't have said empty space, I should have just said
vacuum.
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| > So what do you think eps0 has to do with vacuum? The classical
vacuum
| > is empty space.
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| eps0 is the permittivity of the vacuum.
How could that be if the vacuum is empty? eps0 has nothing to do with a
classical vacuum.
| > | > | The reason that eps0 has mass in its units is because mu0 is 4
*
| > pi *
| > | > | 10^-7 kg m C^-2.
| > | > |
| > | > | So what does 1*10^-7 kg m C^-2 reperesent?
| > | >
| > | > 1*10^-7 henry/meter
| > |
| > | And how does mass fit into it? What's it the mass of?
| >
| > What is the mass that appears in a joule (kg m^2/s^2)? Do you think
it
| > would be the same kind of mass?
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| If you take E=mc^2 for example, then the mass is the mass of a
| particle.
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| I personaly think that it comes from our lack of understanding about
| physics, when mass and energy and force etc, where first concieved of.
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| What it basically boils down to is the units that Planck's constant
| has, and it makes perfect sense to me to let hbar = 1.
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| As to the mass unit in eps0, what particle is associated with this?
Do you understand that a system of two or more photons can have mass?
Do you think that mass is the same as the mass of an electron? I would
suspect that they are not quite the same. ;-)
FrediFizzx
Quantum Vacuum Charge papers;
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
http://www.vacuum-physics.com |
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avergon@verizon.net
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject:
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ERIC GISSE
Interestingly enough, you still can't show me an experiment that shows
the photon has rest mass. Hell, you can't even show me a photon in its'
rest state.
VERGON
You gain nothing by playing it cute. No one said anything about *rest*
mass -- and you know it.
Of course the photon has no rest mass because it only comes to rest
when it is absorbed. The photon then ceases to exist and its mass is
absorbed by the body absorbing it. See Einstein.
However, the photon in flight has mass --- as acknowledged by up to
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T Wake
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject:
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"Vert" <avergon@verizon.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | VERGON
However, the photon in flight has mass --- as acknowledged by up to
date physicists.
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What is it's mass then? |
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Henry Haapalainen
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"Igor" <thoovler@excite.com> kirjoitti viestissä
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Golden Boar wrote:
Y.Porat wrote:
what about Coulomb force ???
may be you enlight us ??
TIA
Y.Porat
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You said, "NO MASS NO REAL PHYSICS OF FORCES !! "
I will keep it simple so you don't get confused.
F = q1 * q2 / (4 * pi * e0 * r^2)
where,
F is the force,
q1 and q2 are charges,
e0 is the electric constant,
r^2 is the distance between the charges.
Do you see any mass there?
And the ultimate irony here is that if the photon had a mass, the
Coulomb force would look much different. But I hate to interrupt by
throwing in some real physics...
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If we try to understand physics by means of numbers and equations, almost
anything is possible. But if we want to understand the real world,
possibilities are much more limited. In this real world there cannot be
massles particles. If someone can realise this, he surely understand
physics.
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avergon@verizon.net
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 11:07 pm Post subject:
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BOAR
You said, "NO MASS NO REAL PHYSICS OF FORCES !! "
I will keep it simple so you don't get confused.
F = q1 * q2 / (4 * pi * e0 * r^2)
where,
F is the force,
q1 and q2 are charges,
e0 is the electric constant,
r^2 is the distance between the charges.
Do you see any mass there?
WIKIPEDIA
The electric constant e0 is the permittivity of vacuum, a physical
constant, defined by:
e0 = 2.781 625 140 131 510 166 480 1 · p-1 · 10-11 F / m
VERGON
"F/m" Is that an m I see there? I wonder if that stands for music ---
or muscle -- or masterbation?
Also, charges contain mass. |
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avergon@verizon.net
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BOAR
Hahahaha. Someone help, this guy's killing me!
VERGON
Good. That'll be one less stupe on the NG. |
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avergon@verizon.net
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IGOR
And the ultimate irony here is that if the photon had a mass, the
Coulomb force would look much different. But I hate to interrupt by
throwing in some real physics...
VERGON
The fact is BOTH the Coulomb field and the photon have mass.
You call that statement "real physics"?
Tsk, tsk |
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Eric Gisse
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 12:37 am Post subject:
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Vert wrote:
| Quote: | ERIC GISSE
Interestingly enough, you still can't show me an experiment that shows
the photon has rest mass. Hell, you can't even show me a photon in its'
rest state.
VERGON
You gain nothing by playing it cute. No one said anything about *rest*
mass -- and you know it.
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It must be hard to use the internet when you have that crippling
reading disability.
Read Porat's original post: "that the photon has a nonzero rest mass.!
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Of course the photon has no rest mass because it only comes to rest
when it is absorbed. The photon then ceases to exist and its mass is
absorbed by the body absorbing it. See Einstein.
However, the photon in flight has mass --- as acknowledged by up to
date physicists.
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Golden Boar
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 12:40 am Post subject:
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Vert wrote:
| Quote: | BOAR
You said, "NO MASS NO REAL PHYSICS OF FORCES !! "
I will keep it simple so you don't get confused.
F = q1 * q2 / (4 * pi * e0 * r^2)
where,
F is the force,
q1 and q2 are charges,
e0 is the electric constant,
r^2 is the distance between the charges.
Do you see any mass there?
WIKIPEDIA
The electric constant e0 is the permittivity of vacuum, a physical
constant, defined by:
e0 = 2.781 625 140 131 510 166 480 1 · p-1 · 10-11 F / m
VERGON
"F/m" Is that an m I see there? I wonder if that stands for music ---
or muscle -- or masterbation?
Also, charges contain mass.
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I think you will find that the m stands for meter.
Charged particles might contain mass, but charges don't. |
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Eric Gisse
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 12:40 am Post subject:
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Henry Haapalainen wrote:
| Quote: | "Igor" <thoovler@excite.com> kirjoitti viestissä
news:1148839800.965757.19460@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Golden Boar wrote:
Y.Porat wrote:
what about Coulomb force ???
may be you enlight us ??
TIA
Y.Porat
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You said, "NO MASS NO REAL PHYSICS OF FORCES !! "
I will keep it simple so you don't get confused.
F = q1 * q2 / (4 * pi * e0 * r^2)
where,
F is the force,
q1 and q2 are charges,
e0 is the electric constant,
r^2 is the distance between the charges.
Do you see any mass there?
And the ultimate irony here is that if the photon had a mass, the
Coulomb force would look much different. But I hate to interrupt by
throwing in some real physics...
If we try to understand physics by means of numbers and equations, almost
anything is possible. But if we want to understand the real world,
possibilities are much more limited. In this real world there cannot be
massles particles. If someone can realise this, he surely understand
physics.
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Since it is so easy to show the photon is massive, design and publish
and experiment that detects the photon's mass conclusively. I don't
think you would get a nobel for it, but you would get a lot of
interested ears listening to you.
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