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jstevh@msn.com
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 Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:47 am Post subject:
JSH: Still retired
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My last big idea was to use
S = (k_1*sqrt(x) + k_2*sqrt(y))*(k_3*sqrt(x) + k_4*sqrt(y))
on the factring problem, relying on the reality--the absolute
mathematical fact--that the expressions CANNOT have a single
factorization.
There is no debate on that point.
It just cannot only factor S.
That's it. I haven't even bothered to step out a solution of the damn
thing, relying on the posted work of Tim Peters.
I'm done. The big ideas are for young people. That was my last big
idea.
But I can follow through on it and on my other ideas--or help others
follow through.
Maybe it's crap. Maybe algebra is some odd little thing that just
wishes to protect humanity from the factoring problem being this dinky
nothing, so it will fight ot make sure this approach doesn't work.
I don't think so, but I say it like that because some of you may have
no clue about what mathematics is, so you probably suppose that because
a LOT of people are invested in this factoring thing, no way the math
can show them to be wrong.
But you see, the math doesn't care.
People are wrong about all kinds of things. It's just kind of a human
thing--being wrong.
If you trust, then you can just jump to the conclusion of posters who
leap at replying to me, to see what their opinion is.
I suggest instead you look to see what their math is.
Right now I am sitting in the United States contemplating a war started
by the son of a president, a president who was ridiculed for not
finishing with Iraq. That president was also ridiculed for saying he
wouldn't cut taxes and then doing it later.
Seems to me his son just went to the big areaa his father was
criticized on, and decided he'd fix it, in his own mindless way.
That's the real world. People do weird things, and then a LOT of other
people support them on it, as that's what people do.
But mathematics IS pure in that no matter what, no matter how many
people get together to decide something that is false is true, you can
trace out the logical argument, and find a flaw.
And it doesn't matter if it's the son of some dude who wants to make
good on what he thinks his father failed on--no matter who dies.
Mathematics IS pure. But you have to know where the purity actually
is.
It's not in the value or usefulness that some people put on it, but in
the reality of absolute truth.
James Harris |
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larryhammick@telus.net
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Ed Weir (ComCast)
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:52 am Post subject:
Re: JSH: Still retired
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"Larry Hammick" <larryhammick@telus.net> wrote in message
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Tim Peters
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:55 am Post subject:
Re: JSH: Still retired
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[spared sci.crypt and alt.math]
[jstevh@msn.com]
| Quote: | My last big idea was to use
S = (k_1*sqrt(x) + k_2*sqrt(y))*(k_3*sqrt(x) + k_4*sqrt(y))
on the factring problem, relying on the reality--the absolute
mathematical fact--that the expressions CANNOT have a single
factorization.
There is no debate on that point.
It just cannot only factor S.
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This one is a bit odd: it's literally true that there's no debate on this
point, but that's not because there's agreement. It's more that it's so
jaw-droppingly inept that it's hard to know what could possibly be said in
response. Like, "umm, well, obviously not". You could just as well argue
that
S = (i+j)*(m+n)
can't only factor S, because aliens from the planet Contrary may swap our
meanings for "+" and "-". Both arguments are silly fun in small doses, but
that's all.
| Quote: | That's it. I haven't even bothered to step out a solution of the damn
thing, relying on the posted work of Tim Peters.
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Ewww. I think I finally get something here that's escaped me all along:
that business with completing the squares twice and getting an "only k_i and
S" expression leads to a difference-of-squares equation, and I now finally
understand that you believe _that_ has something to do with this _other_
business of flipping the signs in your equation for S.
Oops! Sorry, they're not at all the same thing -- they're not even related.
Indeed, that's exactly why it's possible to prove that the form for the
difference-of-squares equation you picked could _never_ find a non-trivial
factor, but also to prove that the flip-the-signs business _can_ always find
a non-trivial factor (when you're fortunate enough to pick winning values
for the k_i, x and y, and winning values always exist). There's no
contradiction here: they're entirely different methods.
LOL -- you could just as well have picked
(k_1*k_4 + k_2*k_3) / (k_1*k_4 - k_2*k_3) = T
out of thin air for the flip-the-signs method.
| Quote: | I'm done. The big ideas are for young people. That was my last big
idea.
But I can follow through on it and on my other ideas--or help others
follow through.
Maybe it's crap. Maybe algebra is some odd little thing that just
wishes to protect humanity from the factoring problem being this dinky
nothing, so it will fight ot make sure this approach doesn't work.
I don't think so, but I say it like that because some of you may have
no clue about what mathematics is, so you probably suppose that because
a LOT of people are invested in this factoring thing, no way the math
can show them to be wrong.
But you see, the math doesn't care.
People are wrong about all kinds of things. It's just kind of a human
thing--being wrong.
If you trust, then you can just jump to the conclusion of posters who
leap at replying to me, to see what their opinion is.
I suggest instead you look to see what their math is.
Right now I am sitting in the United States contemplating a war started
by the son of a president, a president who was ridiculed for not
finishing with Iraq. That president was also ridiculed for saying he
wouldn't cut taxes and then doing it later.
Seems to me his son just went to the big areaa his father was
criticized on, and decided he'd fix it, in his own mindless way.
That's the real world. People do weird things, and then a LOT of other
people support them on it, as that's what people do.
But mathematics IS pure in that no matter what, no matter how many
people get together to decide something that is false is true, you can
trace out the logical argument, and find a flaw.
And it doesn't matter if it's the son of some dude who wants to make
good on what he thinks his father failed on--no matter who dies.
Mathematics IS pure. But you have to know where the purity actually
is.
It's not in the value or usefulness that some people put on it, but in
the reality of absolute truth.
James Harris
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Huh. Less than two weeks ago you said you were only doing math for the
money. Which is right? |
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marc.t.davies@gmail.com
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Joined: 31 May 2006
Posts: 52
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:17 am Post subject:
Re: JSH: Still retired
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| Quote: | It's not in the value or usefulness that some people put on it, but in
the reality of absolute truth.
James Harris
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It just wouldn't be another working day morning without more JSH
demagoguery! |
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David Moran
science forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 13 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:45 am Post subject:
Re: Still retired
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<jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1150955240.450903.196600@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | My last big idea was to use
S = (k_1*sqrt(x) + k_2*sqrt(y))*(k_3*sqrt(x) + k_4*sqrt(y))
on the factring problem, relying on the reality--the absolute
mathematical fact--that the expressions CANNOT have a single
factorization.
There is no debate on that point.
It just cannot only factor S.
That's it. I haven't even bothered to step out a solution of the damn
thing, relying on the posted work of Tim Peters.
I'm done. The big ideas are for young people. That was my last big
idea.
But I can follow through on it and on my other ideas--or help others
follow through.
Maybe it's crap. Maybe algebra is some odd little thing that just
wishes to protect humanity from the factoring problem being this dinky
nothing, so it will fight ot make sure this approach doesn't work.
I don't think so, but I say it like that because some of you may have
no clue about what mathematics is, so you probably suppose that because
a LOT of people are invested in this factoring thing, no way the math
can show them to be wrong.
But you see, the math doesn't care.
People are wrong about all kinds of things. It's just kind of a human
thing--being wrong.
If you trust, then you can just jump to the conclusion of posters who
leap at replying to me, to see what their opinion is.
I suggest instead you look to see what their math is.
Right now I am sitting in the United States contemplating a war started
by the son of a president, a president who was ridiculed for not
finishing with Iraq. That president was also ridiculed for saying he
wouldn't cut taxes and then doing it later.
Seems to me his son just went to the big areaa his father was
criticized on, and decided he'd fix it, in his own mindless way.
That's the real world. People do weird things, and then a LOT of other
people support them on it, as that's what people do.
But mathematics IS pure in that no matter what, no matter how many
people get together to decide something that is false is true, you can
trace out the logical argument, and find a flaw.
And it doesn't matter if it's the son of some dude who wants to make
good on what he thinks his father failed on--no matter who dies.
Mathematics IS pure. But you have to know where the purity actually
is.
It's not in the value or usefulness that some people put on it, but in
the reality of absolute truth.
James Harris
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What is the point in talking about stuff other than math? I think if you
actually knew something about math, you wouldn't have to rely on social
crap. Are you sure you're not a politician? I mean, your math is pretty bad
so you might want to look into something else.
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Frreita
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Joined: 13 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:25 pm Post subject:
Re: Still retarted
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<jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | My last big idea was to use
I'm done. The big ideas are for young people. That was my last big
idea.
But I can follow through on it and on my other ideas--or help others
follow through.
Maybe it's crap.
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yes, it all was.................................
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It's not in the value or usefulness that some people put on it, but in
the reality of absolute truth.
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and that is in the eye of the beholder, troll.
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amzoti
science forum beginner
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Posts: 33
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject:
Re: JSH: Still retired
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jstevh@msn.com wrote:
| Quote: | ... >>> Nonsense snipped <<< ...
People are wrong about all kinds of things. It's just kind of a human
thing--being wrong.
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You mean like most of the errors, incorrect statements and useless
factoring methods you have been pounding us with for the past decade?
Don't you have life where you can do something worthwhile?
For an entire decade - you have ZERO results that are worth anything!
Funny, since you claim to be the greatest number theorist of all time
and thaty the great would tremble at the great thoughts and
discoveries.
You mentioned that the muse is gone - I contend that the muse was
robbing you of something much grander - your life.
You have nothing Harris - and the reality is that you know it!
If this latest (sqrt incarnation) was worth anything - you'd be
spitting the factors of the RSA numbers in our faces! But we all know
the TRUTH - don't we!
Heck, if you claim you get two factorzations per sqrt, why not use n-th
roots and obfuscate matters even more?
Please oh please - modify the method to use the 37th root - so we can
bask in its beauty!
You'll be back - because your delusions of granduer and narcissistic
tendaencies already control you, your thought processes and your
inability to accept constructive criticism.
Go back to the hole from you crawed out of!
Have a nice day!
-A
| Quote: | ... >>> More nonsense snipped <<< ...
James Harris |
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William Rex Marshall
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject:
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<jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | My last big idea was to use
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James, to save your creditability, please factor this number with any thing
you have that works
269,653,873 |
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moriman
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Joined: 06 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:40 pm Post subject:
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"Faruq Qutaybah" <nospam@invalid.com> wrote in message
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jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1150955240.450903.196600@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
My last big idea was to use
James, to save your creditability, please factor this number with any
thing
you have that works
269,653,873
I think we should consider this as a prime example of why he keeps getting |
it wrong :-D
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Lits O'Hate
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:14 pm Post subject:
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Faruq Qutaybah wrote:
| Quote: | jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1150955240.450903.196600@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
My last big idea was to use
James, to save your creditability, please factor this number with any thing
you have that works
269,653,873
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James Harris will probably factor this into two algebraic
integers, like he did with 119.  |
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Salami Man
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | James, to save your creditability, please factor this number with any
thing you have that works
12
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Fixed |
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Euler
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:16 am Post subject:
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I just have one question- why did you disgrace the purity of mathematics which you cling to so dearly with an analogy to the quintessential impurity of politics? |
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jstevh@msn.com
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Joined: 21 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:47 am Post subject:
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amzoti wrote:
| Quote: | jstevh@msn.com wrote:
... >>> Nonsense snipped <<< ...
People are wrong about all kinds of things. It's just kind of a human
thing--being wrong.
You mean like most of the errors, incorrect statements and useless
factoring methods you have been pounding us with for the past decade?
Don't you have life where you can do something worthwhile?
For an entire decade - you have ZERO results that are worth anything!
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I disagree.
Hey, this latest is just an idea.
S = (k_1*sqrt(x)+k_2*sqrt(y))*(k_3*sqrt(x)+k_4*sqrt(y))
is just this idea I recently had for factoring.
The expression can't just factor a single number because of the square
roots, and solving it out indicates that it does in fact factor more
than one number.
That's potentially a huge idea as it's a major lateral thinking step,
showing how you might use one number to factor another, what I call
surrogate factoring.
Does it work? I am not certain.
Seems like a good idea to me, but hey, I've been often wrong.
James Harris |
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wfaxon@gis.net
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:21 am Post subject:
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jstevh@msn.com wrote:
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| Quote: | Right now I am sitting in the United States contemplating a war started
by the son of a president, a president who was ridiculed for not
finishing with Iraq. That president was also ridiculed for saying he
wouldn't cut taxes and then doing it later.
....
James Harris
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Ridiculed for saying he wouldn't =cut= taxes? That explains a lot!
Maybe your system for factoring is really a system for producing
products.
Well, think it over. Then take off your shoes. |
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