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Henri Wilson
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:04:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpeatmje@yahoo.com>
wrote:

 Quote: On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:36:19 GMT) it happened HW@..(Henri Wilson) wrote in : On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:26:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje : You have wrongly attributed this message to me. ....please apologise or I'll sue. Oh go to hell. I replied to a text in a posting that was in itself correctly prepended with Bullshit. Your primary reference was to me when it should have been to Androcles. It was verbatim from your posting. So either you were mentally absent when you quoted that >>> part, and do not know the meaning of '>>>>>', or you DID know that it refers to OTHER postings.

This is he start of your posting:

"""""
On a sunny day (Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:49:05 GMT) it happened HW@..(Henri Wilson)
wrote in <7ege929lfmngovvfunes2ponehob9fb57l@4ax.com>:

 Quote: Never mind the value, define what you mean by "impedance of nothing", Potter. | 5. The z from cathode to anode is NOT zero.

Indeed

 Quote: You don't seem to know the difference between AC and DC, Potter. The effective resistance, known as impedance, is found from Ohms's law R = E/I, Potter, and for a capacitor is frequency dependent. A DC circuit as in a TV tube has a frequency of zero, Potter. It's a short circuit, Potter, not a 377 ohm resistor.

Total and utterly bulshit.
A normal CRT (color) has 3 electron guns, with each about .5 mA (500 ua)
max current (normal operation), so a total of 1.5mA electron current to the
high voltage connection from the cathode*S*.
The high voltage is 25kV, so the impedance seen would be 25000 / .0015 =
16 666 666 Ohm, or 16 MOhm. (mega ohm).

etc.
"""""""""""""

None of the quoted lines were mine.

 Quote: In the first case nothing goes, in the second case, that you were by your senses and did know what you were doing, and that >>>>>> refers to OTHER postings, you cannot complain if you are quoted referring to _such other postings_ I went to google groups and entered: 'Henry Wilson sue'. You seem to like to sue people, specially poor Androcles, who may not know everything about everything, but I am sure neither do you or I.

Yes. Androcles owes me several bottles of wine.
I have never threatened to sue anyone else.

But OK, I have decided not to sue this time because you are not really a
diehard member of the SRian baboon brigade.

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 Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum Scumbag Gurcharn Sandhu wrote: No one reads your s**t, scumbag.
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum

PD wrote:
 Quote: GSS wrote: Permittivity (eps_0) and Permeability (mu_0) Constants of Vacuum represent fundamental characteristics or fundamental properties of the physical space or vacuum. For detailed presentation of this notion, kindly refer to, http://www.geocities.com/gurcharn_sandhu/htm_art/eps_mu.html GSS That's incorrect. The values they have are accidents of the choice of units. With a suitable choice of units, those values become either 1 or some multiple of pi that comes from geometric convenience. There is nothing in those values that would suggest that the vacuum is a physical medium for anything. Remember that in suitable unit system, the speed of light is 1 and dimensionless. PD

PD, please be honest and tell me whether you have made the above
like to discuss it in detail with you only after you have done the
first reading. Of course you must be in a position to distinguish
between the terms 'dimensions' and 'units'.

GSS
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum

On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:36:19 GMT) it happened HW@..(Henri Wilson)
wrote in <k3ij92hrh3sppri1vpnfou76uit49lj4g0@4ax.com>:

 Quote: On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:26:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje : You have wrongly attributed this message to me. ....please apologise or I'll sue. Oh go to hell. I replied to a text in a posting that was in itself correctly prepended with Bullshit. Your primary reference was to me when it should have been to Androcles.

It was verbatim from your posting.
So either you were mentally absent when you quoted that >>> part, and
do not know the meaning of '>>>>>', or you DID know that it refers to OTHER
postings.

In the first case nothing goes, in the second case, that you were by your
senses and did know what you were doing, and that >>>>>> refers to OTHER
postings, you cannot complain if you are quoted referring to _such other
postings_

I went to google groups and entered:
'Henry Wilson sue'.

You seem to like to sue people, specially poor Androcles, who may not know
everything about everything, but I am sure neither do you or I.

So in that light, after checking with my legal team, it is considered
a possibility that you sue people for a living.
Like that lady that was hit so badly by cars hundreds of times, and got
big time money from all the drivers that never even saw her.

This is a mis-use of the legal system, in some places perhaps even punishable
by torture.
Will give you 10 years in the slammer.
One could then collect all victims, and look for some millions compensation
for sustained emotional damages, so it would be a work camp.
That is not all, I could have you extradited likely, but as I think you are
in the US (where else would they sue somebody for something said on Usenet),
I am gone leave you there, as I just did read a federal agent was shot by
prison guards who abused female prisoners for drugs.
If they do that to federal agents, then what do they do top prisoners.
So have the 10.

Bye!!!!!
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:52 am    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum

"PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
 Quote: GSS wrote: Permittivity (eps_0) and Permeability (mu_0) Constants of Vacuum represent fundamental characteristics or fundamental properties of the physical space or vacuum. For detailed presentation of this notion, kindly refer to, http://www.geocities.com/gurcharn_sandhu/htm_art/eps_mu.html GSS That's incorrect. The values they have are accidents of the choice of units.

Actually not really an accident. More like "required" by the choice of
units.

 Quote: With a suitable choice of units, those values become either 1 or some multiple of pi that comes from geometric convenience. There is nothing in those values that would suggest that the vacuum is a physical medium for anything.

Can you define "geometric convenience" for us? I wonder what might be
producing these "geometries". If we set eps0 to 1 we get something
that resembles Heaviside-Lorentz units. However with eps0 = 1, then
Coulomb's constant becomes 1/4pi. So we still have a "geometrical"
factor to deal with. Doesn't seem to be any way of getting rid of them.

Our Quantum Vacuum Charge concept smooths this all out (the geometrical
aspects) but does require a relativistic medium of an unusual nature.
It really is debatable as to whether or not the detection of a photon
can be considered to be detection of this medium. It is purely an
interpretational issue.

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:08 am    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum

<TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote:

 Quote: GSS wrote: Permittivity (eps_0) and Permeability (mu_0) Constants of Vacuum represent fundamental characteristics or fundamental properties of the physical space or vacuum. For detailed presentation of this notion, kindly refer to, http://www.geocities.com/gurcharn_sandhu/htm_art/eps_mu.html GSS That's incorrect. The values they have are accidents of the choice of units. With a suitable choice of units, those values become either 1 or some multiple of pi that comes from geometric convenience. There is nothing in those values that would suggest that the vacuum is a physical medium for anything. Remember that in suitable unit system, the speed of light is 1 and dimensionless. PD

PD

This is the same GSS who doesn't know what proper time or distance are.

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:05 am    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum

GSS wrote:
 Quote: Permittivity (eps_0) and Permeability (mu_0) Constants of Vacuum represent fundamental characteristics or fundamental properties of the physical space or vacuum. For detailed presentation of this notion, kindly refer to, http://www.geocities.com/gurcharn_sandhu/htm_art/eps_mu.html GSS

That's incorrect. The values they have are accidents of the choice of
units.
With a suitable choice of units, those values become either 1 or some
multiple of pi that comes from geometric convenience. There is nothing
in those values that would suggest that the vacuum is a physical medium
for anything.

Remember that in suitable unit system, the speed of light is 1 and
dimensionless.

PD
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum

On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:26:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpeatmje@yahoo.com>
wrote:

 Quote: On a sunny day (Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:36:43 GMT) it happened HW@..(Henri Wilson) wrote in <0otg92t7bn5au2hato1n0dm0qirveic7vr@4ax.com>: You have wrongly attributed this message to me. ....please apologise or I'll sue. Oh go to hell. I replied to a text in a posting that was in itself correctly prepended with

Bullshit.
Your primary reference was to me when it should have been to Androcles.

 Quote: HW. Idiot Learn ho to use Usenet.

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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum

news:AV8mg.440509\$tc.320029@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
 Quote: "Tom Potter" wrote in message news:e7a2mv\$1sjt\$1@news.ndhu.edu.tw... | | "Sorcerer" wrote in message | news:TXVlg.436524\$tc.418352@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk... | | > "Tom Potter" wrote in message | > news:e78ttj\$vct\$1@news.ndhu.edu.tw... | > | | > | "Sorcerer" wrote in message | > | news:wHMlg.200890\$8W1.199056@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk... | > | | > | > "Tom Potter" wrote in message | > | > news:e77pk6\$31kb\$1@news.ndhu.edu.tw... | > | | > | > | Regarding "Sorcerer's" statement: | > | > | > It is pretty clear that the speed of light is just like any | > | > | > other speed, |dx/dt|, Potter. | > | > | | > | > | "c", the "speed of light constant" is just that, a constant. | > | > | It is not a speed. | > | | > | > I say you are ranting incomprehensible nonsense | > | | > | > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/DominoEffect.GIF | > | | > | > I hereby nominate | > | > Tom Potter | > | > as the | > | | > | > **Loudmouth Arsehole of the Month** | > | | > | > Any seconds?????????????????????? | > | | > | > It's gonna a close contest, might even come down to the Florida vote | > | > to decide it. | > | | > | It is interesting to see that the best that "Sorcerer" | > | can respond to my positions | > | (Tubes have plate resistance. | | > You've never heard of superconductors, Potter? | > It's cold on the Moon and I wouldn't a need a glass tube | > to paint a picture, either. I can design a TV for a lunar environment | > without the tube, and I'm not talking about plasma or LCD display. | > The tube fullfills three functions, one is to keep air out and the other | > two are to provide a fixed distance between cathode, anode, field and | > frame coils. | > I can use glass rods for the latter and I don't need to consider the | > first. Electrons go right through a vacuum as if it were not there, | > which it isn't. | | "Sorcerer" raises a good point! Good grief... someone that listens to reason is a rare find. | | Electrons can go through vacuums, and wires, and all kinds of stuff | like it is not there, | so obviously, all this stuff doesn't exist! Facetiousness will not win you any brownie points, Potter, but there is truth in what you say. The wires and all kinds of stuff are mostly empty space, the electrons do not go through the nuclei of atoms, they go around them through the nothing. | | But back to the points of contention. | | I assert that vacuum tubes have plate resistance, | and that space has impedance, | and "Sorcerer" does not. Assertion carries no weight. The burden of proof is upon the claimant. The point of contention isn't plate resistance which can be eliminated in practice by using a superconductor and in theory by ignoring it as irrelevant, it is the alleged permittivity and permeability of nothing. What is the velocity of sound in a vacuum, Potter? Is it zero, infinity or something in between? What is the volume of a gas at zero degrees Kelvin? They are meaningless questions, of course. One can extrapolate, playing mathematical games, but there is no sound in a vacuum and there are no gases at zero Kelvin. Electrical impedance and/or resistance is limitation to current for a given pressure, resistance being analogous to a pinhole drilled in a cylindrical mug to limit the flow of coffee leaking onto the table. By enlarging the hole, the flow is increased. Enlarge it enough and there is no mug. The entire volume of coffee then falls under the influence of gravity, independently of the resistance of the mug. Coffee mugs provide infinite resistance to the flow of coffee onto your clean shirt, drill the hole and you'll need to launder your shirt or go without coffee. Impedance is the equivalent of tilting the mug to drink the coffee, and is zero when the mug is upside down. The hole at the top of the mug offers no resistance. It may be somewhat unpleasant and tasteless to consider spitting the coffee back into the mug to repeat the cycle, but it can be done in small quantities.

Considering that we are in basic agreement,
except on how we view the physical properties,
I'll let it go at that.

I suspect that you and I,
are two of the few folks who understand
that a so-called photon is a SINGLE cycle of,
you say energy, I say action.

No doubt, most of physics can't be extrapolated to absolute zero,
but once "something wonderful happens",
all kinds of properties pop into existence.

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 Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:36 am    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum "Jan Panteltje" wrote in message news:e79h20\$t5b\$1@news.datemas.de... | On a sunny day (Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:20:25 +0800) it happened "Tom Potter" | wrote in : | | >Thanks to "Jan Panteltje" for supporting my position that: | >"The z from cathode to anode is NOT zero." | > | >and that tubes have "plate resistance". | Yep, and i still learned about triodes with low Ri and penthodes | with high Ri (current source) in my school days. | | | >But regarding "Jan Panteltje's" comment: | >"So it makes no sense / has no practical use to speak of an impedance. | >[The] Electronics is only concerned with keeping the high voltage stable | >as the laod varies." | > | >If the load varies, and the voltage stays constant, | >the impedance varies. | > | >impedance = voltage / current | | Yes you are right, but the man was relating to CRTs, and CRTs is what | I played a lot with, designed my first TV in 1968. | I have would those deflection coils, and transformers, all good old times, | people should know about electrostatic and magnetic deflection [of electron | beams = charged particles] hands on makes all the difference. | Design issues are quite tight for a TV CRT actually, you are limited by | what the HV rectifier / multiplier can do as current, the CRT characteristics, | and those are pretty much a known.. so that leaves only to be able to | create the 25kV and supply the current, and make that 25kV stable (and | filtering). | You have E background, so do I, many here do not and just RelaTitvit along... | | E designers almost never enter stupid fights like we see here, learn | from the others designs, make things that ***have to**** work. | Of course we don't, and there should be no fight between us, Jan. Incidentally, the EHT of 25 kV is derived from the line-output transformer to make use of the voltage pulse during flyback when the energy is recovered from the deflection coils, it is a simple matter of efficient design. The almost vertical pulse of the triangular waveform is ideal. The alternative is a specially designed EHT power supply (which do exist commerically, in particular for oscilloscopes where flyback isn't always a requirement). I'm sure you've displayed TV images on an oscilloscope as I have, and that is electrostatic deflection. Androcles. | Nobody buys a TV that only shows 2 light dots, but look how they are selling | strings, LIGO, ITER, and all those other things you mentioned. | | Regards | Jan |
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 Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:09 am    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum "Tom Potter" wrote in message news:e7a2mv\$1sjt\$1@news.ndhu.edu.tw... | | "Sorcerer" wrote in message | news:TXVlg.436524\$tc.418352@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk... | > | > "Tom Potter" wrote in message | > news:e78ttj\$vct\$1@news.ndhu.edu.tw... | > | | > | "Sorcerer" wrote in message | > | news:wHMlg.200890\$8W1.199056@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk... | > | > | > | > "Tom Potter" wrote in message | > | > news:e77pk6\$31kb\$1@news.ndhu.edu.tw... | > | > | > | > | Regarding "Sorcerer's" statement: | > | > | > It is pretty clear that the speed of light is just like any | > | > | > other speed, |dx/dt|, Potter. | > | > | | > | > | "c", the "speed of light constant" is just that, a constant. | > | > | It is not a speed. | > | > | > | > I say you are ranting incomprehensible nonsense | > | > | > | > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/DominoEffect.GIF | > | > | > | > I hereby nominate | > | > Tom Potter | > | > as the | > | > | > | > **Loudmouth Arsehole of the Month** | > | > | > | > Any seconds?????????????????????? | > | > | > | > It's gonna a close contest, might even come down to the Florida vote | > | > to decide it. | > | | > | It is interesting to see that the best that "Sorcerer" | > | can respond to my positions | > | (Tubes have plate resistance. | > | > You've never heard of superconductors, Potter? | > It's cold on the Moon and I wouldn't a need a glass tube | > to paint a picture, either. I can design a TV for a lunar environment | > without the tube, and I'm not talking about plasma or LCD display. | > The tube fullfills three functions, one is to keep air out and the other | > two are to provide a fixed distance between cathode, anode, field and | > frame coils. | > I can use glass rods for the latter and I don't need to consider the | > first. Electrons go right through a vacuum as if it were not there, | > which it isn't. | | "Sorcerer" raises a good point! Good grief... someone that listens to reason is a rare find. | | Electrons can go through vacuums, and wires, and all kinds of stuff | like it is not there, | so obviously, all this stuff doesn't exist! Facetiousness will not win you any brownie points, Potter, but there is truth in what you say. The wires and all kinds of stuff are mostly empty space, the electrons do not go through the nuclei of atoms, they go around them through the nothing. | | But back to the points of contention. | | I assert that vacuum tubes have plate resistance, | and that space has impedance, | and "Sorcerer" does not. Assertion carries no weight. The burden of proof is upon the claimant. The point of contention isn't plate resistance which can be eliminated in practice by using a superconductor and in theory by ignoring it as irrelevant, it is the alleged permittivity and permeability of nothing. What is the velocity of sound in a vacuum, Potter? Is it zero, infinity or something in between? What is the volume of a gas at zero degrees Kelvin? They are meaningless questions, of course. One can extrapolate, playing mathematical games, but there is no sound in a vacuum and there are no gases at zero Kelvin. Electrical impedance and/or resistance is limitation to current for a given pressure, resistance being analogous to a pinhole drilled in a cylindrical mug to limit the flow of coffee leaking onto the table. By enlarging the hole, the flow is increased. Enlarge it enough and there is no mug. The entire volume of coffee then falls under the influence of gravity, independently of the resistance of the mug. Coffee mugs provide infinite resistance to the flow of coffee onto your clean shirt, drill the hole and you'll need to launder your shirt or go without coffee. Impedance is the equivalent of tilting the mug to drink the coffee, and is zero when the mug is upside down. The hole at the top of the mug offers no resistance. It may be somewhat unpleasant and tasteless to consider spitting the coffee back into the mug to repeat the cycle, but it can be done in small quantities. Likewise, the vacuum of space offers no resistance to the flow of photons or any other projectile, be it electron, bullet, spacecraft, planet or star. The photon is a single cycle of finite energy, represented by the green radial vector in this gif: http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.gif No current passes through the plates of the capacitor. The velocity of light in independent of the motion of the nothing, Einstein was a muggle, for it is very much dependent upon the motion of the source. That the source happens to have little motion compared to the motion of the photon is irrelevant. There is no longer any aether, hasn't been since the great sorcerer Michelson canned it, and although it once had the properties of mu0 and eps0, those properties are now in the trashcan along with the aether that owned them. You can assert all you want to, Potter, wishful thinking isn't magic. BTW, my last graduate was a Potter -- Harry Potter. I wonder if you will do as well as he... Alas, wizards are hard to find, but you may show promise if you'll learn real magic before you try to write you own spells. The Wizard of Menlo Park was not a sorcerer, I hasten to add, and neither was the Wizard of Oz. It takes work for a wizard to graduate to sorcerer, impossible for a muggle. -- Der alte Hexenmeister ist: Sorcerer Androcles Dumbledore, Headmaster, hogwarts.physics school for zauberlehrlings. "One muggle's magic is another wizard's engineering" http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:40 am    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum

Henri Wilson wrote:
 Quote: On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:20:49 GMT, Jan Panteltje : Never mind the value, define what you mean by "impedance of nothing", Potter. | 5. The z from cathode to anode is NOT zero. Indeed You don't seem to know the difference between AC and DC, Potter. The effective resistance, known as impedance, is found from Ohms's law R = E/I, Potter, and for a capacitor is frequency dependent. A DC circuit as in a TV tube has a frequency of zero, Potter. It's a short circuit, Potter, not a 377 ohm resistor. Total and utterly bulshit. A normal CRT (color) has 3 electron guns, with each about .5 mA (500 ua) max current (normal operation), so a total of 1.5mA electron current to the high voltage connection from the cathode*S*. The high voltage is 25kV, so the impedance seen would be 25000 / .0015 = 16 666 666 Ohm, or 16 MOhm. (mega ohm). As the electron beam is constantly modulated by the luminance, or in case of color the RGB signals, the curent varies constantly. So it makes no sense / has no practical use to speak of an impedance. [The] Electronics is only concerned with keeping the high voltage stable as the laod varies. A changing high voltage would give a changing picture size for the same deflection power (magnetic field). Feedback circuits are used for stabilization. In the very very old tube color sets, a parallel stabilizer tube was used (PD100), it had a lot of roentgen radiation too... Not going to read the rest. WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Man human species, how did it ever get this far. OK it took some millions of years. In the lifetime of the current bunch we should have no expectations. But some did miracles in the previous century. So maybe there is still hope. eeh, maybe not. Sam would say: yes/no that makes 50 percent. No Sam would not say that..... Ok let Sam peak for himself. You have wrongly attributed this message to me. ....please apologise or I'll sue.

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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:26 am    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum

On a sunny day (Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:36:43 GMT) it happened HW@..(Henri Wilson)
wrote in <0otg92t7bn5au2hato1n0dm0qirveic7vr@4ax.com>:

 Quote: You have wrongly attributed this message to me. ....please apologise or I'll sue.

Oh go to hell.
I replied to a text in a posting that was in itself correctly prepended
with >>>>>

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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:21 am    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum

 Quote: In article <0otg92t7bn5au2hato1n0dm0qirveic7vr@4ax.com>, Henri Wilson HW@..(Henri> wrote: eeh, maybe not. Sam would say: yes/no that makes 50 percent. No Sam would not say that..... Ok let Sam peak for himself. You have wrongly attributed this message to me. ....please apologise or I'll sue. BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

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