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Y.Porat
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:41 am    Post subject: Re: A question to Paul Draper (PD) Reply with quote

Y.Porat wrote:
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Mr PD

when and where was it the first time
you saw the E/Gama idea ???


TIA
Y.Porat
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No answer is an answer as well !!!.......

Y.Porat
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T Wake
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:03 am    Post subject: Re: A question to Paul Draper (PD) Reply with quote

"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in message
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No answer is an answer as well !!!.......


Only if the question is something like "Are you in?" or "Have you gone on
holiday?" or in the case of USENET "Have you kill filed me?"

You are still a ranting idiot.
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Y.Porat
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:00 am    Post subject: Re: A question to Paul Draper (PD) Reply with quote

T Wake wrote:
Quote:
"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in message
news:1150602088.609522.313330@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

No answer is an answer as well !!!.......


Only if the question is something like "Are you in?" or "Have you gone on
holiday?" or in the case of USENET "Have you kill filed me?"

You are still a ranting idiot.
----------------------------

and you are still a Nazi s**t!!
an dlier and Josef Goebeless!!

PD knows exactly what is my question
if not i will remind every one what and why i am asking including
documented data of Google archieve.

and untill now he has good reasons not to answer


as fo rnow i still give him the benefit of doubt to give a rigth answer
!!

he is a big boy and does not need
Josef Goebeless as his spokesman not to hide behind the back
of people like all the gangsters here

you can cheat somebody all his life

you can cheat everybody just once

you cannot cheat everybody forever !!

(there is a saying:
just tell me who are your friends
and i will tell you *whom you are* )

Y.Porat
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T Wake
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: A question to Paul Draper (PD) Reply with quote

"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in message
news:1150614032.378018.259010@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
T Wake wrote:
"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in message
news:1150602088.609522.313330@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

No answer is an answer as well !!!.......


Only if the question is something like "Are you in?" or "Have you gone on
holiday?" or in the case of USENET "Have you kill filed me?"

You are still a ranting idiot.
----------------------------
and you are still a Nazi s**t!!
an dlier and Josef Goebeless!!

Wooo. A mini K00Kout. You can do better than that Porat.

Quote:
PD knows exactly what is my question
if not i will remind every one what and why i am asking including
documented data of Google archieve.

and untill now he has good reasons not to answer


as fo rnow i still give him the benefit of doubt to give a rigth answer
!!

he is a big boy and does not need
Josef Goebeless as his spokesman not to hide behind the back
of people like all the gangsters here

you can cheat somebody all his life

you can cheat everybody just once

you cannot cheat everybody forever !!

(there is a saying:
just tell me who are your friends
and i will tell you *whom you are* )

Do you feel better now? Did that little rant release some.... tension.... ?
When you finished I hope you put your trousers back on and then cleaned up
after yourself.

I think you need a lie down. Your brain is getting all foggy with this
anti-Nazi tension you suffer from.
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Y.Porat
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:47 pm    Post subject: Re: A question to Paul Draper (PD) Reply with quote

T Wake wrote:
Quote:
"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in message
news:1150614032.378018.259010@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
T Wake wrote:
"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in message

Wooo. A mini K00Kout. You can do better than that Porat.

!!

and i will tell you *whom you are* )

Do you feel better now? Did that little rant release some.... tension.... ?
When you finished I hope you put your trousers back on and then cleaned up
after yourself.

I think you need a lie down. Your brain is getting all foggy with this
anti-Nazi tension you suffer from.
------------------------------------

1 the fact that you are snipping th eoriginal ng means you are afraid
of publicity
of this thread !!

2 you are the kind of people that after shaking hands withthem
yiou have to count your fingers....

and stupid me i always fo rget it
i thought that the minimal confidence that the original ng of the
threadwill be respected
and forget that you are not a bit the kind of person torespect any
human standard

and aftwer that you are surprised thati compare you to Josef..

but it whant help you
you flolowed step by step my dispute with PD and his crooked behaviour

3 do you know what is the E/Gama idea ??

Y.Porat
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T Wake
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:53 pm    Post subject: Re: A question to Paul Draper (PD) Reply with quote

"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in message
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Quote:

1 the fact that you are snipping th eoriginal ng means you are afraid
of publicity
of this thread !!

Still only a small kookisode from you Porat. You can do much better.
Shouldnt you rant about how much of a Nazi I am because I trimmed the
newsgroups?

I am sure you can carry on frothing about something better than this. Or are
you all spent now? Do you still have your trousers on?

Quote:
2 you are the kind of people that after shaking hands withthem
yiou have to count your fingers....

Well, I would only shake _your_ hand if I had gloves on.... Thick, rubber
gloves...

Quote:
and stupid me i always fo rget it
i thought that the minimal confidence that the original ng of the
threadwill be respected
and forget that you are not a bit the kind of person torespect any
human standard

and aftwer that you are surprised thati compare you to Josef..

Bingo! I wondered if you would get to this. (Still a minor kookism by your
standards).

Just a quick one, while we are on the subject, it is considered good
etiquette to limit the newsgroups you post to (although cross posting is
better than multiposting) but I dont expect a half baked, crackpot, brain
addled, frothing, buffoon like yourself to realise that. If you were even
semi-intelligent and you had access to a half decent newsreader you would be
aware that they flash up warnings if you try to post to excess newsgroups.
As it is, you are a buffoon on GoogleGroups which limit you anywayl.

As an aside, what gives _you_ the right to change the newsgroups that I feel
appropriate for this message. You seem to have some serious double standards
issued Mrs Porat.

Quote:
but it whant help you
you flolowed step by step my dispute with PD and his crooked behaviour

No I didn't. I tend to ignore your posts because your ability at physics is
actually worse than your command of English.

Quote:
3 do you know what is the E/Gama idea ??

Well, it depends on the metric you are using. It may be covariant to
K_0/theta at 0K or, if you go with the latest Copenhagen Interpretation it
removes the theta.
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Y.Porat
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:03 am    Post subject: Re: A question to Paul Draper (PD) Reply with quote

Eric Gisse wrote:
Quote:
Y.Porat wrote:
T Wake wrote:

Wooo. A mini K00Kout. You can do better than that Porat.


I think you need a lie down. Your brain is getting all foggy with this
anti-Nazi tension you suffer from.
------------------------------
do you know what is the E/Gama idea??

Nobody does, because you are the only one who knows what you are
babbling about.

Your language is indecipherable half of the time because you think your
pidgin english is superior to actual English folks use to communicate
with eachother.

---------------------------
Hi gisse it s a long time i didnt learn some physics from you .

i saw Paul Draper was explaining something about the
E/Gama idea
it was not too clear to me
may be you can explain something about it ??

TIA
Y.Porat
please note i am very polite with you because i respect you as a
serious
fruitful physicist
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Eric Gisse
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:06 am    Post subject: Re: A question to Paul Draper (PD) Reply with quote

Y.Porat wrote:
Quote:
Eric Gisse wrote:
Y.Porat wrote:
T Wake wrote:

Wooo. A mini K00Kout. You can do better than that Porat.


I think you need a lie down. Your brain is getting all foggy with this
anti-Nazi tension you suffer from.
------------------------------
do you know what is the E/Gama idea??

Nobody does, because you are the only one who knows what you are
babbling about.

Your language is indecipherable half of the time because you think your
pidgin english is superior to actual English folks use to communicate
with eachother.

---------------------------
Hi gisse it s a long time i didnt learn some physics from you .

It has been a long time since you learned any physics from anyone, much
less me.

Quote:

i saw Paul Draper was explaining something about the
E/Gama idea
it was not too clear to me
may be you can explain something about it ??

Like what?

Quote:

TIA
Y.Porat
please note i am very polite with you because i respect you as a
serious
fruitful physicist

Either you are lying or you are bipolar. I wonder which!

Quote:
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koobee.wublee@gmail.com
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: A question to Paul Draper (PD) Reply with quote

"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
It has been a long time since you learned any physics from anyone, much
less me.

As a self-confessed pupil who does not understand the calculus of
variations, you need to understand this calculus of variations or the
Lagrangian method. It is the most important mathematical applications
involved with GR from the ground up. It is actually very simple in
concept and mathematics. After all, calculus of variations was
developed by Euler/Lagrange/Hamilton more than 100-200 years ago. Just
how difficult can that be if done more than 200 years ago? You have no
excuse not to learn that by heart. In doing so, you will find the
absurdity in GR through the many postulates from one silly one after
another served as its faulty foundation.

Yes, the concept of Lagrangian is very easy and mathematically simple.
So, don't let Noether's work intimidate you.
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Y.Porat
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: A question to Paul Draper (PD) Reply with quote

Eric Gisse wrote:
Quote:
Y.Porat wrote:
Eric Gisse wrote:
Y.Porat wrote:
T Wake wrote:


Nobody does, because you are the only one who knows what you are
babbling about.

Your language is indecipherable half of the time because you think your
pidgin english is superior to actual English folks use to communicate
with eachother.

---------------------------
Hi gisse it s a long time i didnt learn some physics from you .

It has been a long time since you learned any physics from anyone, much
less me.
----

so that is why i whant to startl;earning from you
Quote:


i saw Paul Draper was explaining something about the
E/Gama idea
it was not too clear to me
may be you can explain something about it ??

Like what?
it is the first time i saw from him that strange combination

of E and Gama at the same side of those formulas of energy
and i wonder why he was doing that strange combination
he refuses to explain it to me
so may be you can ??

TIA
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:47 am    Post subject: Re: A question to Paul Draper (PD) Reply with quote

T Wake wrote:
Quote:
"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in message
news:1150656478.169336.283690@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

1 the fact that you are snipping th eoriginal ng means you are afraid
withthem
yiou have to count your fingers....

Well, I would only shake _your_ hand if I had gloves on.... Thick, rubber
gloves...

and stupid me i always fo rget it
i thought that the minimal confidence that the original ng of the
threadwill be respected
and forget that you are not a bit the kind of person torespect any
human standard

and aftwer that you are surprised thati compare you to Josef..

Bingo! I wondered if you would get to this. (Still a minor kookism by your
standards).
.

As an aside, what gives _you_ the right to change the newsgroups that I feel
appropriate for this message. You seem to have some serious double standards
issued Mrs Porat.
-------------------

that is exactly Josef Gebeless!!

th eoriginal thread is mine!!
you have to respect my chpice or piss off and not getting in at all
but since you nominated yourself (reapeat yourself) to be the thought
police here
youi alow youself to change whatever you like

btw what was your grade in disciplin at school ??
dont answer it is obvious
if you was in army:
how many times you have been punished for discipline breakings ??
(it wil not be a surprise fo rme that you even was sitting in jail !!)

dont answer it is obvious
you are born distutbed
that is exactly the type - Josef Gebeless would recrute to his ranks
!!
Quote:

but it whant help you
you flolowed step by step my dispute with PD and his crooked behaviour


3 do you know what is the E/Gama idea ??

Well, it depends on the metric you are using. It may be covariant to
K_0/theta at 0K or, if you go with the latest Copenhagen Interpretation it
removes the theta.
----

even you could do a bit better than that !! (:-)

Y.P
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T Wake
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:46 pm    Post subject: Re: A question to Paul Draper (PD) Reply with quote

"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in message
news:1150706867.157831.268950@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
T Wake wrote:
"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in message
news:1150656478.169336.283690@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

1 the fact that you are snipping th eoriginal ng means you are afraid
withthem
yiou have to count your fingers....

Well, I would only shake _your_ hand if I had gloves on.... Thick, rubber
gloves...

and stupid me i always fo rget it
i thought that the minimal confidence that the original ng of the
threadwill be respected
and forget that you are not a bit the kind of person torespect any
human standard

and aftwer that you are surprised thati compare you to Josef..

Bingo! I wondered if you would get to this. (Still a minor kookism by
your
standards).
.

As an aside, what gives _you_ the right to change the newsgroups that I
feel
appropriate for this message. You seem to have some serious double
standards
issued Mrs Porat.
-------------------
that is exactly Josef Gebeless!!

Again, this is mini K00KFroth. You can do better.

Quote:
th eoriginal thread is mine!!

No it isnt you facist bastard. You posted to USENET. The commons. You are a
nazi, jersuf gobbling bastard crook who is stealing other peoples rights on
the USENET. You are a facist pig.

Quote:
you have to respect my chpice or piss off and not getting in at all

Facist.

Quote:
but since you nominated yourself (reapeat yourself) to be the thought
police here
youi alow youself to change whatever you like

You mean you get to say on how I can and cant reply to the thread? When did
you buy USENET you illiterate, uneducated, nazi, facist scumbag.

I bet you even killed Kenny didnt you?

Quote:
btw what was your grade in disciplin at school ??

See, like a nazi you are obsessed with discipline. I bet you wear jackboots
and an SS uniform while you froth over the keyboard.

Quote:
dont answer it is obvious
if you was in army:
how many times you have been punished for discipline breakings ??

None actually.

Quote:
(it wil not be a surprise fo rme that you even was sitting in jail !!)

dont answer it is obvious
you are born distutbed
that is exactly the type - Josef Gebeless would recrute to his ranks
!!

but it whant help you
you flolowed step by step my dispute with PD and his crooked behaviour


3 do you know what is the E/Gama idea ??

Well, it depends on the metric you are using. It may be covariant to
K_0/theta at 0K or, if you go with the latest Copenhagen Interpretation
it
removes the theta.
----
even you could do a bit better than that !! (Smile

Which is then?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:08 pm    Post subject: Re: A question to Paul Draper (PD) Reply with quote

T Wake wrote:
Quote:
"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in message
news:1150706867.157831.268950@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...



3 do you know what is the E/Gama idea ??

Well, it depends on the metric you are using. It may be covariant to
K_0/theta at 0K or, if you go with the latest Copenhagen Interpretation
it
removes the theta.
----
even you could do a bit better than that !! (:-)

Which is then?
----------------------------------------

so why do you talk so much.....
instead of answering (shortly) a simple question:

do you know something about the E/Gama suggestion??
(it is not written in any book yet .....)

or not ??

TIA
Y.Porat
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: A question to Paul Draper (PD) Reply with quote

Y.Porat wrote:
Quote:
Eric Gisse wrote:
Y.Porat wrote:
Eric Gisse wrote:
Y.Porat wrote:
T Wake wrote:


Nobody does, because you are the only one who knows what you are
babbling about.

Your language is indecipherable half of the time because you think your
pidgin english is superior to actual English folks use to communicate
with eachother.

---------------------------
Hi gisse it s a long time i didnt learn some physics from you .

It has been a long time since you learned any physics from anyone, much
less me.
----
so that is why i whant to startl;earning from you


i saw Paul Draper was explaining something about the
E/Gama idea
it was not too clear to me
may be you can explain something about it ??

Like what?
it is the first time i saw from him that strange combination
of E and Gama at the same side of those formulas of energy
and i wonder why he was doing that strange combination
he refuses to explain it to me
so may be you can ??

Mabey because you aren't making any sense. Be more specific.

Quote:

TIA
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:39 am    Post subject: Re: A question to Paul Draper (PD) Reply with quote

Eric Gisse wrote:
Quote:
Y.Porat wrote:
Eric Gisse wrote:
Y.Porat wrote:
Eric Gisse wrote:
Y.Porat wrote:

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Hi gisse it s a long time i didnt learn some physics from you .

It has been a long time since you learned any physics from anyone, much
less me.
----
so that is why i whant to startl;earning from you


i saw Paul Draper was explaining something about the
E/Gama idea
it was not too clear to me
may be you can explain something about it ??

Like what?
it is the first time i saw from him that strange combination
of E and Gama at the same side of those formulas of energy
and i wonder why he was doing that strange combination
he refuses to explain it to me
so may be you can ??

Mabey because you aren't making any sense. Be more specific.
----------------------------------------------------------------------


Here is a quote from PD:


quote:
Quote:
PD
I'm still unsure about mass.
Is it just inertia by a different name?
Is there a difference between inertia and mass?

Inertia is historically defined as the m in F=ma.
The problem is, this definition of m is observer-dependent. The same F,

applied to something that is stationary and something that is moving
close to 1, does not produce the same a. F/a is what has been
historically called "relativistic mass", which rises as the object's
speed. One can "fix" this by changing m to be F/(gamma*a), so that m is

now constant, but then it loses its meaning as inertia.
Quote:
Both photons and electrons have energy.

-------------------------
EOQ

it is from PD not from me !!

so how is it that the gama was moved from the mass side
to the Force side ??
(iow th e gama is not attached anymore to the mass??!!)

TIA
Y.Porat
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