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Julian Becker
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Don't you think, we need some sort of scientific exorcism, in order to get rid of some *vicious circles* possessing good ol' SR? |
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Sue...
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Julian Becker wrote:
| Quote: | Don't you think, we need some sort of scientific
exorcism, in order to get rid of some *vicious circles*
possessing good ol' SR?
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So... How would you exorcise 'observer dependent
speed of ligh' ?
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Julian Becker
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:18:12 +0200, Sue... <suzysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
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Julian Becker wrote:
Don't you think, we need some sort of scientific
exorcism, in order to get rid of some *vicious circles*
possessing good ol' SR?
So... How would you exorcise 'observer dependent
speed of ligh' ?
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Sorcerer
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"Julian Becker" <becker.julian@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.tbcutifxl7b2t7@julian-2dcb6a7a.uni-muenster.de...
| Don't you think, we need some sort of scientific exorcism, in order to get
rid of some *vicious circles* possessing good ol' SR?
Sure, take the circularity out of SR. There'll be nothing left, but that's
ok.
Androcles
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ |
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Julian Becker
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:41:49 +0200, Sorcerer <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
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"Julian Becker" <becker.julian@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.tbcutifxl7b2t7@julian-2dcb6a7a.uni-muenster.de...
| Don't you think, we need some sort of scientific exorcism, in order to get
rid of some *vicious circles* possessing good ol' SR?
Sure, take the circularity out of SR. There'll be nothing left, but that's
ok.
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Nothing's just enough. well, perhaps a little too much  |
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Phineas T Puddleduck
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| Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:15 pm Post subject:
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In article <op.tbc1idb0l7b2t7@julian-2dcb6a7a.uni-muenster.de>, Julian
Becker <becker.julian@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:18:12 +0200, Sue... <suzysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Julian Becker wrote:
Don't you think, we need some sort of scientific
exorcism, in order to get rid of some *vicious circles*
possessing good ol' SR?
So... How would you exorcise 'observer dependent
speed of ligh' ?
i know, i know - it's not gonna be easy :(
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I'm unaware of any vicious circles regarding SR. Please enlighten us.
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"Bullshit repeated to the limit of infinity asymptotically approaches
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Phineas T Puddleduck
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| Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject:
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In article <op.tbc2t4jtl7b2t7@julian-2dcb6a7a.uni-muenster.de>, Julian
Becker <becker.julian@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:41:49 +0200, Sorcerer <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_a
wrote:
"Julian Becker" <becker.julian@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.tbcutifxl7b2t7@julian-2dcb6a7a.uni-muenster.de...
| Don't you think, we need some sort of scientific exorcism, in order to get
rid of some *vicious circles* possessing good ol' SR?
Sure, take the circularity out of SR. There'll be nothing left, but that's
ok.
Nothing's just enough. well, perhaps a little too much
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Oh god, another anti-relativity loony. Don't tell me, failed third
grade?
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The greatest enemy of science is pseudoscience.
Jaffa cakes. Sweet delicious orangey jaffa goodness, and an abject lesson why
parroting information from the web will not teach you cosmology.
Official emperor of sci.physics. Please pay no attention to my butt poking
forward, it is expanding.
Relf's Law?
"Bullshit repeated to the limit of infinity asymptotically approaches
the odour of roses." |
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Sorcerer
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"Julian Becker" <becker.julian@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.tbc2t4jtl7b2t7@julian-2dcb6a7a.uni-muenster.de...
| On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:41:49 +0200, Sorcerer
<Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
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| > "Julian Becker" <becker.julian@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:op.tbcutifxl7b2t7@julian-2dcb6a7a.uni-muenster.de...
| > | Don't you think, we need some sort of scientific exorcism, in order to
get
| > rid of some *vicious circles* possessing good ol' SR?
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| > Sure, take the circularity out of SR. There'll be nothing left, but
that's
| > ok.
Hmm... You snipped.
Obviously you do not wish to learn, you just want to spout
your own point of view.
Well, two can learn or two can snip and ignore. Have a nice flame:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/flame.gif
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Sue...
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| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:32 am Post subject:
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Julian Becker wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:18:12 +0200, Sue... <suzysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Julian Becker wrote:
Don't you think, we need some sort of scientific
exorcism, in order to get rid of some *vicious circles*
possessing good ol' SR?
So... How would you exorcise 'observer dependent
speed of ligh' ?
i know, i know - it's not gonna be easy
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So far, your sales pitch for a exorcist isn't offering
much competition to the salesman offering repellent
to keep the polar bears out my tulip patch.
See if you can find something to be specific about:
http://www.bartleby.com/173/
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node51.html
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/visualizations/light/index.htm
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Igor
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Julian Becker wrote:
| Quote: | Don't you think, we need some sort of scientific exorcism, in order to get rid of some *vicious circles* possessing good ol' SR?
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The only vicious circles about SR are harbored in the minds of certain
individuals who have never understood it in the first place. SR makes
perfect sense once you understand it. |
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Bilge
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| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject:
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Julian Becker:
| Quote: | Don't you think, we need some sort of scientific exorcism, in
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Name one and demonstrate the circularity. I give odds of a trillion
to 1 that the circularity is due to your failure to distinguish between
what is presumed and what is derived. |
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PD
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Julian Becker wrote:
| Quote: | Don't you think, we need some sort of scientific exorcism, in order to get rid of some *vicious circles* possessing good ol' SR?
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Name one.
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Julian Becker
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Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Julian Becker:
Don't you think, we need some sort of scientific exorcism, in
order to get rid of some *vicious circles* possessing good ol' SR?
Name one and demonstrate the circularity. I give odds of a trillion
to 1 that the circularity is due to your failure to distinguish between
what is presumed and what is derived.
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Well, tell me at which point Einstein introduces
the concept of space and or time / space-time - either as axiom or as a
conclusion of his 2 postulates.
At least from his 1905 paper this isn't clear (to me).
(see "Religion vs. SR" thread by eleaticus)
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Phineas T Puddleduck
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In article <op.tbf8c9lzl7b2t7@julian-2dcb6a7a.uni-muenster.de>, Julian
Becker <becker.julian@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote:
Julian Becker:
Don't you think, we need some sort of scientific exorcism, in
order to get rid of some *vicious circles* possessing good ol' SR?
Name one and demonstrate the circularity. I give odds of a trillion
to 1 that the circularity is due to your failure to distinguish between
what is presumed and what is derived.
Well, tell me at which point Einstein introduces
the concept of space and or time / space-time - either as axiom or as a
conclusion of his 2 postulates.
At least from his 1905 paper this isn't clear (to me).
(see "Religion vs. SR" thread by eleaticus)
Julian
Minkowski introduced spacetime |
Historical origin
While the concept of spacetime is commonly associated with Albert
Einstein, the discoverer of special relativity, the concept was in fact
first proposed by Einstein's teacher Hermann Minkowski in an admiring
1908 essay building on and extending Einstein's work. Minkowski
intended spacetime as a better way of thinking about special
relativity. (For an English translation of Minkowski's article, see
Lorentz et al. 1952.) The 1926 13th edition of the Encyclopedia
Britannica included an article titled "space-time" by Einstein.
H.G. Wells's 1895 novel The Time Machine refers to time as the "fourth
dimension."
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime )
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The greatest enemy of science is pseudoscience.
Jaffa cakes. Sweet delicious orangey jaffa goodness, and an abject lesson why
parroting information from the web will not teach you cosmology.
Official emperor of sci.physics. Please pay no attention to my butt poking
forward, it is expanding.
Relf's Law?
"Bullshit repeated to the limit of infinity asymptotically approaches
the odour of roses." |
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Igor
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject:
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Julian Becker wrote:
| Quote: | Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote:
Julian Becker:
Don't you think, we need some sort of scientific exorcism, in
order to get rid of some *vicious circles* possessing good ol' SR?
Name one and demonstrate the circularity. I give odds of a trillion
to 1 that the circularity is due to your failure to distinguish between
what is presumed and what is derived.
Well, tell me at which point Einstein introduces
the concept of space and or time / space-time - either as axiom or as a
conclusion of his 2 postulates.
At least from his 1905 paper this isn't clear (to me).
(see "Religion vs. SR" thread by eleaticus)
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Minkowski was the first to realize that space and time fit together
into a geometric framework and it was a few years after Einstein's 1905
paper.
But how does this lead to a circularity? |
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