FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups 
 ProfileProfile   PreferencesPreferences   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 
Forum index » Science and Technology » Engineering » Mechanics
Using sheet metal, particleboard, or drywall screws in wood, and help finding a source for black finished wood screws
Post new topic   Reply to topic Page 1 of 1 [5 Posts] View previous topic :: View next topic
Author Message
wwswimming@yahoo.com
science forum beginner


Joined: 13 Sep 2005
Posts: 16

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Using sheet metal, particleboard, or drywall screws in wood, and help finding a source for black finished wood screws Reply with quote

all my sheet metal & wood screws are mixed in together in my workshop.
they
can be interchanged all right, though for some applications, like a
swing set,
i would use "belt & braces" approach.

i suggest Home Depot, if you have one. huge selection. good chance
they have
the black oxide durable finish you're probably looking for.


John2005 wrote:
Quote:
I decided to go with the sheet metal screw, I don't see why it would
not work well with the right size pilot hole.

John

John2005 wrote:
Hi everyone,

I just found out that the head size of the drywall screws make them
inconvenient for my application. The diameter of the drywall screws is
larger than the other screws and it would force me to relocate my
screws, which is undesirable. Mcmaster makes a drywall screw with a
smaller head diameter, but then it lists the head height as .150" and
the thickness of my part (a flat steel plate) is only .156". I suppose
it could work, but I tend to think I should not countersink through the
entire material thickness.

I am currently countersinking for a .127" diameter head, and I cannot
go much bigger than that due to space constraints.

The particleboard screw head height is .120" and the sheet metal screw
head height is .083". Both the particleboard and sheet metal screws
have head diameters almost exactly the same as the silver zinc plated
serrated thread screw I am currently using.

The sheet metal screw seems to have almost the exact same head
dimensions as the part # 91550A153 serrated thread (silver zinc plated
screw) I am using now. If the sheet metal screw will not work well
enough, I guess I will use the particleboard screws.

I would appreciate any further feedback.

Thanks again,
John


John2005 wrote:
Hi everyone,

Can anyone please recommend a source for some black finished flat head
# 6 wood screws? I need them to be about 1" to 1.5" long. I am having
trouble finding black finish wood screws. The drive type is not really
important, but I prefer phillips over straight slot.

I found the black finished screws listed below at www.mcmaster.com,
However, they are either sheet metal, particleboard, or drywall screws.
The screws are used inside the home and never get wet so I think I just
need moderate rust protection. I have a thin walled section so I don't
want the wood to split. However, I can drill a pilot hole so I doubt
splitting will be a problem. I want the screws to hold as strong as
possible. I am using a flat head because I want to "lock" the part
down on the wood best as possible, and avoid any wiggle or movement
under load. Flat heads seem to work well for this.

I really like the "High performance serrated thread" screws from
Mcmaster carr, but they only come in a silver zinc finish.

Of the three black finish screws below, which would you recommend ?


Black Finish:

Mcmaster Carr Part # 90033A160
Flat Head Phillips Sheet Metal Screw Black-Oxide Finish Steel, No 6
Size, 1" Length

Mcmaster Carr Part # 90252A106
Flat Head Phillips Particleboard Screw No. 6 Size, 1" Length

Mcmaster Carr Part # 90305A112
Premium Cntr-Sunk Head Phillips Drywall Screw Sharp Point, 6-18 Thread,
1" Length

Silver / Zinc Finish:

I prefer the following screws, they seem to work well but they are
going on a black oxide finished part and the shiny zinc finish seems to
stand out. It's just a matter of looks, I am not sure what people would
think of it, and the black screws would seem to look better to me, so I
would like to use black if I can.

Mcmaster Carr part # 91550A153
Hi-Performnce Serrated Thrd Flat Hd Wood Scrw Combination Drive,
Znc-Pltd Stl, No.6 Sz, 1" Length


Thanks for your help.
John
Back to top
<beard6801@bellsouth.n
science forum beginner


Joined: 14 May 2006
Posts: 11

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Using sheet metal, particleboard, or drywall screws in wood, and help finding a source for black finished wood screws Reply with quote

I don't see why you can't get whatever screw you want...and then dip the
head in a durable black paint...


"John2005" <johnjmechanical@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1150688039.013371.61300@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
I decided to go with the sheet metal screw, I don't see why it would
not work well with the right size pilot hole.

John

John2005 wrote:
Hi everyone,

I just found out that the head size of the drywall screws make them
inconvenient for my application. The diameter of the drywall screws is
larger than the other screws and it would force me to relocate my
screws, which is undesirable. Mcmaster makes a drywall screw with a
smaller head diameter, but then it lists the head height as .150" and
the thickness of my part (a flat steel plate) is only .156". I suppose
it could work, but I tend to think I should not countersink through the
entire material thickness.

I am currently countersinking for a .127" diameter head, and I cannot
go much bigger than that due to space constraints.

The particleboard screw head height is .120" and the sheet metal screw
head height is .083". Both the particleboard and sheet metal screws
have head diameters almost exactly the same as the silver zinc plated
serrated thread screw I am currently using.

The sheet metal screw seems to have almost the exact same head
dimensions as the part # 91550A153 serrated thread (silver zinc plated
screw) I am using now. If the sheet metal screw will not work well
enough, I guess I will use the particleboard screws.

I would appreciate any further feedback.

Thanks again,
John


John2005 wrote:
Hi everyone,

Can anyone please recommend a source for some black finished flat head
# 6 wood screws? I need them to be about 1" to 1.5" long. I am having
trouble finding black finish wood screws. The drive type is not really
important, but I prefer phillips over straight slot.

I found the black finished screws listed below at www.mcmaster.com,
However, they are either sheet metal, particleboard, or drywall
screws.
The screws are used inside the home and never get wet so I think I
just
need moderate rust protection. I have a thin walled section so I don't
want the wood to split. However, I can drill a pilot hole so I doubt
splitting will be a problem. I want the screws to hold as strong as
possible. I am using a flat head because I want to "lock" the part
down on the wood best as possible, and avoid any wiggle or movement
under load. Flat heads seem to work well for this.

I really like the "High performance serrated thread" screws from
Mcmaster carr, but they only come in a silver zinc finish.

Of the three black finish screws below, which would you recommend ?


Black Finish:

Mcmaster Carr Part # 90033A160
Flat Head Phillips Sheet Metal Screw Black-Oxide Finish Steel, No 6
Size, 1" Length

Mcmaster Carr Part # 90252A106
Flat Head Phillips Particleboard Screw No. 6 Size, 1" Length

Mcmaster Carr Part # 90305A112
Premium Cntr-Sunk Head Phillips Drywall Screw Sharp Point, 6-18
Thread,
1" Length

Silver / Zinc Finish:

I prefer the following screws, they seem to work well but they are
going on a black oxide finished part and the shiny zinc finish seems
to
stand out. It's just a matter of looks, I am not sure what people
would
think of it, and the black screws would seem to look better to me, so
I
would like to use black if I can.

Mcmaster Carr part # 91550A153
Hi-Performnce Serrated Thrd Flat Hd Wood Scrw Combination Drive,
Znc-Pltd Stl, No.6 Sz, 1" Length


Thanks for your help.
John
Back to top
John2005
science forum beginner


Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Posts: 34

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:33 am    Post subject: Re: Using sheet metal, particleboard, or drywall screws in wood, and help finding a source for black finished wood screws Reply with quote

I decided to go with the sheet metal screw, I don't see why it would
not work well with the right size pilot hole.

John

John2005 wrote:
Quote:
Hi everyone,

I just found out that the head size of the drywall screws make them
inconvenient for my application. The diameter of the drywall screws is
larger than the other screws and it would force me to relocate my
screws, which is undesirable. Mcmaster makes a drywall screw with a
smaller head diameter, but then it lists the head height as .150" and
the thickness of my part (a flat steel plate) is only .156". I suppose
it could work, but I tend to think I should not countersink through the
entire material thickness.

I am currently countersinking for a .127" diameter head, and I cannot
go much bigger than that due to space constraints.

The particleboard screw head height is .120" and the sheet metal screw
head height is .083". Both the particleboard and sheet metal screws
have head diameters almost exactly the same as the silver zinc plated
serrated thread screw I am currently using.

The sheet metal screw seems to have almost the exact same head
dimensions as the part # 91550A153 serrated thread (silver zinc plated
screw) I am using now. If the sheet metal screw will not work well
enough, I guess I will use the particleboard screws.

I would appreciate any further feedback.

Thanks again,
John


John2005 wrote:
Hi everyone,

Can anyone please recommend a source for some black finished flat head
# 6 wood screws? I need them to be about 1" to 1.5" long. I am having
trouble finding black finish wood screws. The drive type is not really
important, but I prefer phillips over straight slot.

I found the black finished screws listed below at www.mcmaster.com,
However, they are either sheet metal, particleboard, or drywall screws.
The screws are used inside the home and never get wet so I think I just
need moderate rust protection. I have a thin walled section so I don't
want the wood to split. However, I can drill a pilot hole so I doubt
splitting will be a problem. I want the screws to hold as strong as
possible. I am using a flat head because I want to "lock" the part
down on the wood best as possible, and avoid any wiggle or movement
under load. Flat heads seem to work well for this.

I really like the "High performance serrated thread" screws from
Mcmaster carr, but they only come in a silver zinc finish.

Of the three black finish screws below, which would you recommend ?


Black Finish:

Mcmaster Carr Part # 90033A160
Flat Head Phillips Sheet Metal Screw Black-Oxide Finish Steel, No 6
Size, 1" Length

Mcmaster Carr Part # 90252A106
Flat Head Phillips Particleboard Screw No. 6 Size, 1" Length

Mcmaster Carr Part # 90305A112
Premium Cntr-Sunk Head Phillips Drywall Screw Sharp Point, 6-18 Thread,
1" Length

Silver / Zinc Finish:

I prefer the following screws, they seem to work well but they are
going on a black oxide finished part and the shiny zinc finish seems to
stand out. It's just a matter of looks, I am not sure what people would
think of it, and the black screws would seem to look better to me, so I
would like to use black if I can.

Mcmaster Carr part # 91550A153
Hi-Performnce Serrated Thrd Flat Hd Wood Scrw Combination Drive,
Znc-Pltd Stl, No.6 Sz, 1" Length


Thanks for your help.
John
Back to top
John2005
science forum beginner


Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Posts: 34

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Using sheet metal, particleboard, or drywall screws in wood, and help finding a source for black finished wood screws Reply with quote

Hi everyone,

I just found out that the head size of the drywall screws make them
inconvenient for my application. The diameter of the drywall screws is
larger than the other screws and it would force me to relocate my
screws, which is undesirable. Mcmaster makes a drywall screw with a
smaller head diameter, but then it lists the head height as .150" and
the thickness of my part (a flat steel plate) is only .156". I suppose
it could work, but I tend to think I should not countersink through the
entire material thickness.

I am currently countersinking for a .127" diameter head, and I cannot
go much bigger than that due to space constraints.

The particleboard screw head height is .120" and the sheet metal screw
head height is .083". Both the particleboard and sheet metal screws
have head diameters almost exactly the same as the silver zinc plated
serrated thread screw I am currently using.

The sheet metal screw seems to have almost the exact same head
dimensions as the part # 91550A153 serrated thread (silver zinc plated
screw) I am using now. If the sheet metal screw will not work well
enough, I guess I will use the particleboard screws.

I would appreciate any further feedback.

Thanks again,
John


John2005 wrote:
Quote:
Hi everyone,

Can anyone please recommend a source for some black finished flat head
# 6 wood screws? I need them to be about 1" to 1.5" long. I am having
trouble finding black finish wood screws. The drive type is not really
important, but I prefer phillips over straight slot.

I found the black finished screws listed below at www.mcmaster.com,
However, they are either sheet metal, particleboard, or drywall screws.
The screws are used inside the home and never get wet so I think I just
need moderate rust protection. I have a thin walled section so I don't
want the wood to split. However, I can drill a pilot hole so I doubt
splitting will be a problem. I want the screws to hold as strong as
possible. I am using a flat head because I want to "lock" the part
down on the wood best as possible, and avoid any wiggle or movement
under load. Flat heads seem to work well for this.

I really like the "High performance serrated thread" screws from
Mcmaster carr, but they only come in a silver zinc finish.

Of the three black finish screws below, which would you recommend ?


Black Finish:

Mcmaster Carr Part # 90033A160
Flat Head Phillips Sheet Metal Screw Black-Oxide Finish Steel, No 6
Size, 1" Length

Mcmaster Carr Part # 90252A106
Flat Head Phillips Particleboard Screw No. 6 Size, 1" Length

Mcmaster Carr Part # 90305A112
Premium Cntr-Sunk Head Phillips Drywall Screw Sharp Point, 6-18 Thread,
1" Length

Silver / Zinc Finish:

I prefer the following screws, they seem to work well but they are
going on a black oxide finished part and the shiny zinc finish seems to
stand out. It's just a matter of looks, I am not sure what people would
think of it, and the black screws would seem to look better to me, so I
would like to use black if I can.

Mcmaster Carr part # 91550A153
Hi-Performnce Serrated Thrd Flat Hd Wood Scrw Combination Drive,
Znc-Pltd Stl, No.6 Sz, 1" Length


Thanks for your help.
John
Back to top
John2005
science forum beginner


Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Posts: 34

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:52 pm    Post subject: Using sheet metal, particleboard, or drywall screws in wood, and help finding a source for black finished wood screws Reply with quote

Hi everyone,

Can anyone please recommend a source for some black finished flat head
# 6 wood screws? I need them to be about 1" to 1.5" long. I am having
trouble finding black finish wood screws. The drive type is not really
important, but I prefer phillips over straight slot.

I found the black finished screws listed below at www.mcmaster.com,
However, they are either sheet metal, particleboard, or drywall screws.
The screws are used inside the home and never get wet so I think I just
need moderate rust protection. I have a thin walled section so I don't
want the wood to split. However, I can drill a pilot hole so I doubt
splitting will be a problem. I want the screws to hold as strong as
possible. I am using a flat head because I want to "lock" the part
down on the wood best as possible, and avoid any wiggle or movement
under load. Flat heads seem to work well for this.

I really like the "High performance serrated thread" screws from
Mcmaster carr, but they only come in a silver zinc finish.

Of the three black finish screws below, which would you recommend ?


Black Finish:

Mcmaster Carr Part # 90033A160
Flat Head Phillips Sheet Metal Screw Black-Oxide Finish Steel, No 6
Size, 1" Length

Mcmaster Carr Part # 90252A106
Flat Head Phillips Particleboard Screw No. 6 Size, 1" Length

Mcmaster Carr Part # 90305A112
Premium Cntr-Sunk Head Phillips Drywall Screw Sharp Point, 6-18 Thread,
1" Length

Silver / Zinc Finish:

I prefer the following screws, they seem to work well but they are
going on a black oxide finished part and the shiny zinc finish seems to
stand out. It's just a matter of looks, I am not sure what people would
think of it, and the black screws would seem to look better to me, so I
would like to use black if I can.

Mcmaster Carr part # 91550A153
Hi-Performnce Serrated Thrd Flat Hd Wood Scrw Combination Drive,
Znc-Pltd Stl, No.6 Sz, 1" Length


Thanks for your help.
John
Back to top
Google

Back to top
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic Page 1 of 1 [5 Posts] View previous topic :: View next topic
The time now is Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:49 am | All times are GMT
Forum index » Science and Technology » Engineering » Mechanics
Jump to:  

Similar Topics
Topic Author Forum Replies Last Post
No new posts Finding a Web Design Development with a Good Results lbardagol@gmail.com Math 0 Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:21 am
No new posts Study of gravity, dark energy and black holes gb7648 New Theories 1 Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:48 pm
No new posts Black holes gb6724 New Theories 5 Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:40 pm
No new posts "Black" Tones? Radium Acoustics 24 Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:10 pm
No new posts perforated sheet pedro1 Acoustics 2 Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:46 pm

Copyright © 2004-2005 DeniX Solutions SRL
Other DeniX Solutions sites: Electronics forum |  Medicine forum |  Unix/Linux blog |  Unix/Linux documentation |  Unix/Linux forums  |  send newsletters
 


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
[ Time: 0.0275s ][ Queries: 20 (0.0043s) ][ GZIP on - Debug on ]