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Tim Weaver
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:08 pm    Post subject: Re: A Quantum Philosophical Thesis Reply with quote

wrote:

Quote:

Tim Weaver wrote:

That's what people (like Hillstrom) do when they are about to have a
complete mental meltdown.

You mean he'd recovered from the last one Tim?

I certainly didn't get that impression, oh well, I'll just sit back and
see how he responds to my questions about what appears so far to be
nothing but the silly little and pathietic mind games of the Kantian
Russellian Platonian Randaphobe retards. Silly and pathetic because
there ARE REAL problems in the world that people ought be doing
something about, eg inventing a vaccine againt leftist stupidity.

He'll vote for Hillary. Even if she doesn't run.
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I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I an not so sure what you heard is not what I meant.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:09 pm    Post subject: Re: A Quantum Philosophical Thesis Reply with quote

Smee wrote:

Quote:

mikegordge@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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Tim Weaver wrote:

That's what people (like Hillstrom) do when they are about to have a
complete mental meltdown.

You mean he'd recovered from the last one Tim?

I certainly didn't get that impression, oh well, I'll just sit back and
see how he responds to my questions about what appears so far to be
nothing but the silly little and pathietic mind games of the Kantian
Russellian Platonian Randaphobe retards. Silly and pathetic because
there ARE REAL problems in the world that people ought be doing
something about, eg inventing a vaccine againt leftist stupidity.

Even lamer.

X^2 + 4X + 17 = 0
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I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
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dave hillstrom
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:17 pm    Post subject: Re: A Quantum Philosophical Thesis Reply with quote

On 25 Jun 2006 14:39:05 -0700, mikegordge@xtra.co.nz wrote:

Quote:

Shirley wrote:

If numbers do not exist in nature then why during a bad year do some of
natures wildlife decrease their number of offspring by a certain amount?

And of course that is an excellent example of the use of the
epistemology of numbers, however the leftist retards are not programmed
to think that epistemology and metaphysics are two totally diferent
subjects.

YOU personally will be attacked now Shirley, your crime? challenging a
retard, for asking such a valid question on the subject of reality of
the concept of numbers. Well done from me.

my, what lofty praise from the man who cant even afford a simple
apology to mimus for the ad hominem attacks you made against him.
forget about philosophy and focus on simple interpersonal curtesy, why
not.

praise for those who do what you want, and invective for those who
dont. how incredibly pedestrian. just like the politics groups you
hail from.

all of which begs the question of why you even responded to mimus in
the first place if you knew it was a metaphysical discussion, and not
an epistemological one, which you seem ~solely~, mind lockingly,
focused on. again, similar to the politics groups, where everyone
chimes in to give their opinion even if they refuse to speak to the
topic at hand.

certainly, numbers and mathematics help man to survive and prosper.
but thats not the question mimus put to these groups. is it.

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"I can't find my puppy, can you help me find him? I think he went
into this cheap motel room."
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Veronica Karlsson
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:19 pm    Post subject: Re: A Quantum Philosophical Thesis Reply with quote

mikegordge@xtra.co.nz wrote:
Quote:
line_voltage wrote:

numbers do NOT exist in nature

That's metaphysics, my questions relate to epistemology. It can be
argued that numbers do exist in nature, they exist as necessary
essential concepts of human survival, albeit inside man's mind,
existing as a real unimagined mental abstraction.

Numbers are concepts, concepts exist in man's mind for a purpose, a
number is a measurement of units, it is what man uses to help form
mental abstractions, mental pictures of problems of his survival that
need solving.

My question is, what purpose, what use to man, what problems can man
solve using the idea that numbers are not real, that numbers dont exist
in nature?

What is your point of even talking about real / unreal numbers when in
fact they ARE real and mans survival would become a matter of chance
without them?

Apparently most birds don't know how to count to more than one, and they
survive just fine.


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Tim Weaver
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:21 pm    Post subject: Re: A Quantum Philosophical Thesis Reply with quote

wrote:

Quote:

line_voltage wrote:

numbers do NOT exist in nature

That's metaphysics, my questions relate to epistemology. It can be
argued that numbers do exist in nature, they exist as necessary
essential concepts of human survival, albeit inside man's mind,
existing as a real unimagined mental abstraction.

Numbers are concepts, concepts exist in man's mind for a purpose, a
number is a measurement of units, it is what man uses to help form
mental abstractions, mental pictures of problems of his survival that
need solving.

My question is, what purpose, what use to man, what problems can man
solve using the idea that numbers are not real, that numbers dont exist
in nature?

What is your point of even talking about real / unreal numbers when in
fact they ARE real and mans survival would become a matter of chance
without them?

<full stop>

How is it that numbers (real or imagined) are ~necessary~ for survival. I
would agree the concepts of ~more~ and ~less~ (as in, more food or we'll
die) as being necessary.
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I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
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mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:24 pm    Post subject: Re: A Quantum Philosophical Thesis Reply with quote

mimus wrote:
Quote:
In both cases, the symbol corresponds to something real (hopefully), in
the case of an ordinal number an order, a cardinal number a count, and a
real number an amount or magnitude.

And a real number, of infinite precision, implies an amount or
magnitude of equal precision . . . .

Absolute meaningless piffle in other words, of absolutely NO USE to man
at all. Goodness me.


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Tim Weaver
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: A Quantum Philosophical Thesis Reply with quote

Veronica Karlsson wrote:
Quote:
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz wrote:
line_voltage wrote:

numbers do NOT exist in nature

That's metaphysics, my questions relate to epistemology. It can be
argued that numbers do exist in nature, they exist as necessary
essential concepts of human survival, albeit inside man's mind,
existing as a real unimagined mental abstraction.

Numbers are concepts, concepts exist in man's mind for a purpose, a
number is a measurement of units, it is what man uses to help form
mental abstractions, mental pictures of problems of his survival that
need solving.

My question is, what purpose, what use to man, what problems can man
solve using the idea that numbers are not real, that numbers dont exist
in nature?

What is your point of even talking about real / unreal numbers when in
fact they ARE real and mans survival would become a matter of chance
without them?

Apparently most birds don't know how to count to more than one, and they
survive just fine.

Site your source.

Chickens can be taught tic tac toe. Parrots and such as mimic. They're not
completely stupid.

(you can ~NOT~ beat that chicken in China Town.)
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Tim Weaver

I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I an not so sure what you heard is not what I meant.
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mimus
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:28 am    Post subject: Re: A Quantum Philosophical Thesis Reply with quote

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:29:40 -0700, mikegordge wrote:

Quote:

dave hillstrom wrote:

Nothing, nothing absolutely nothing at all about the subject of the
invented thread of the silly nonsense of inventing numbers, which
incidentally NO-ONE has explained what the f*** that is all about and
why and how man needs to know anything about it, but dave hillstrom,
(who obviously has such a low opinion of himself that he doesn't regard
his own name worthy of being capitalised), the trait of a socialist
masochist if ever there was, who chose instead to attack me personally
because I had appropriately responded to another leftist fuckwit who
was also attacking me and who also did so without one single referrence
to the subject.

What is it with these fucking clowns who hate their ideas being
challenged so much that the believe the only possible response is
attacking the challenger and not the challenge?

<cough>

I believe that was Dave's question to you.

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smeeter 11 or maybe 12

mp 10

mhm 29x13

I wonder what I have been up to.

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mimus
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:35 am    Post subject: Re: A Quantum Philosophical Thesis Reply with quote

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:24:05 -0700, mikegordge wrote:

Quote:

mimus wrote:
In both cases, the symbol corresponds to something real (hopefully), in
the case of an ordinal number an order, a cardinal number a count, and a
real number an amount or magnitude.

And a real number, of infinite precision, implies an amount or
magnitude of equal precision . . . .

Absolute meaningless piffle in other words, of absolutely NO USE to man
at all. Goodness me.

If you consider ordering, counting and measurement of no use, then you
really _must_ be a conservative.

On the order of Pat Robertson. Or Islamic fundamentalists.

--
tinmimus99@hotmail.com

smeeter 11 or maybe 12

mp 10

mhm 29x13

I wonder what I have been up to.

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Tim Weaver
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:46 am    Post subject: Re: A Quantum Philosophical Thesis Reply with quote

mimus wrote:

Quote:
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:24:05 -0700, mikegordge wrote:


mimus wrote:
In both cases, the symbol corresponds to something real (hopefully), in
the case of an ordinal number an order, a cardinal number a count, and a
real number an amount or magnitude.

And a real number, of infinite precision, implies an amount or magnitude
of equal precision . . . .

Absolute meaningless piffle in other words, of absolutely NO USE to man
at all. Goodness me.

If you consider ordering, counting and measurement of no use, then you
really _must_ be a conservative.

On the order of Pat Robertson. Or Islamic fundamentalists.

Wow. Perhaps you meant ~winger~ (left and right), instead of conservative.
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Tim Weaver

I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I an not so sure what you heard is not what I meant.
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mimus
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:49 am    Post subject: Re: A Quantum Philosophical Thesis Reply with quote

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:46:19 -0500, Tim Weaver wrote:

Quote:
mimus wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:24:05 -0700, mikegordge wrote:


mimus wrote:
In both cases, the symbol corresponds to something real (hopefully), in
the case of an ordinal number an order, a cardinal number a count, and a
real number an amount or magnitude.

And a real number, of infinite precision, implies an amount or magnitude
of equal precision . . . .

Absolute meaningless piffle in other words, of absolutely NO USE to man
at all. Goodness me.

If you consider ordering, counting and measurement of no use, then you
really _must_ be a conservative.

On the order of Pat Robertson. Or Islamic fundamentalists.

Wow. Perhaps you meant ~winger~ (left and right), instead of conservative.

I know what I meant, and I typed what I meant.

--
tinmimus99@hotmail.com

smeeter 11 or maybe 12

mp 10

mhm 29x13

I wonder what I have been up to.

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line_voltage
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:08 am    Post subject: Re: A Quantum Philosophical Thesis Reply with quote

Shirley wrote:
Quote:
"line_voltage" <spammers.hell@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:bywng.3438$il.2502@trnddc03...

mimus wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:09:26 -0700, mikegordge wrote:



Smee wrote:



You are hereby fined 27 and one half points for obfuscation.

And you reckon saying *numbers dont exist in nature* isn't coming from
an obfuscated and seriously fucked up reason dead brain?


Try reading the OP again. No one said anything about numbers not
existing
in nature . . . .



raises hand

numbers do NOT exist in nature

bows


If numbers do not exist in nature then why during a bad year do some of
natures wildlife decrease their number of offspring by a certain amount?



because when you finally get right it's not quantity that matters, it's
quality

#:-{D
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line_voltage
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:13 am    Post subject: Re: A Quantum Philosophical Thesis Reply with quote

Veronica Karlsson wrote:

Quote:


Apparently most birds don't know how to count to more than one, and they
survive just fine.



<chirp>

and that goes for even the birds in new zealand i've heard from actual
kiwis, apart from this yellow-breasted warbling masturbator ...:_{D


<chirp>


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Shirley
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:49 am    Post subject: Re: A Quantum Philosophical Thesis Reply with quote

"dave hillstrom" <dAvE@MeOw.oRg> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:33:52 -0400, "Shirley" <bigd1999@bellsoutj.net
wrote:


"dave hillstrom" <dAvE@MeOw.oRg> wrote in message
news:e7muo5$im4$116@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:15:56 -0400, "Shirley" <bigd1999@bellsoutj.net
wrote:


"line_voltage" <spammers.hell@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:bywng.3438$il.2502@trnddc03...
mimus wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:09:26 -0700, mikegordge wrote:


Smee wrote:


You are hereby fined 27 and one half points for obfuscation.

And you reckon saying *numbers dont exist in nature* isn't coming
from
an obfuscated and seriously fucked up reason dead brain?


Try reading the OP again. No one said anything about numbers not
existing
in nature . . . .



raises hand

numbers do NOT exist in nature

bows


If numbers do not exist in nature then why during a bad year do some of
natures wildlife decrease their number of offspring by a certain amount?

find me a number in nature, shirley. come back when youve found it.

You wish is my command master.... ;o}

http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibnat.html

i disagree. thats a human conceived numbering scheme that is used to
explain nature.

nature doesnt know what 5813 means. only humans do. and only those
taught mathematics, in particular.

deer and flowers and stars and moons dont know what 5813 means. or a
fibonacci series.

numbers are strictly in the minds of humans, as far as anyone can
prove.

They may not know the what 5813 is, but they do know numbers...

http://www.americanscientist.org/template/AssetDetail/assetid/21319?fulltext=true&print=yes

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Shirley
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:04 am    Post subject: Re: A Quantum Philosophical Thesis Reply with quote

"line_voltage" <spammers.hell@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
Shirley wrote:
"line_voltage" <spammers.hell@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:bywng.3438$il.2502@trnddc03...

mimus wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:09:26 -0700, mikegordge wrote:



Smee wrote:



You are hereby fined 27 and one half points for obfuscation.

And you reckon saying *numbers dont exist in nature* isn't coming from
an obfuscated and seriously fucked up reason dead brain?


Try reading the OP again. No one said anything about numbers not
existing
in nature . . . .



raises hand

numbers do NOT exist in nature

bows


If numbers do not exist in nature then why during a bad year do some of
natures wildlife decrease their number of offspring by a certain amount?

because when you finally get right it's not quantity that matters, it's
quality

#:-{D


It's all in the numbers baby.... ;o}
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