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Radium
science forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 15 Dec 2005
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 Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject:
Anthracite's Aromatic Compounds Smell Like Paradise
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luca...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
| Quote: | "Jo Schaper" <joschapern4os...@2socketdot.no5net> wrote in message
news:12987le206g0aee@corp.supernews.com...
Salmon Egg wrote:
On 6/16/06 12:28 PM, in article
1150486125.214671.56...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com, "Radium"
gluceg...@excite.com> wrote:
I would like to know what
exactly makes up the the volatiles in coal. What are the volatile
compounds in coal? Where can I find pure coal smoke?
I don't know about you all, but in my part of the world, what you smell
when you burn the coal are a whole slew of sulfur compounds, including
hydrogen sulfide, or 'rotten eggs'.
Some of the rural areas of WV, where NG is not readily available and many
folks have coal stoves, burning coal smoke in the winter smells to me mostly
like aromatic organic compounds.
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I love this smell.
| Quote: | Coal tar distillates (the volatiles that
distill from coal on thermal processing, such as burning) include a large
number of relatively simple aromatic compounds (toluene and other
substituted benzenes), hetero-substituted aromatic compounds (substituted
pyridines, anilines, phenols), and polycyclic aromatic compounds
(naphthalenes, anthracenes, phenanthrenes, pyrenes, etc.)
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Yes. The above compounds are included in the countless long list of
chemicals that give anthracite its heavenly flavor.
| Quote: | I never really
smell much of a sulfur smell, just these aromatics, even though I'm pretty
sure WV coal is high-sulfur. The smoke does tend to burn my eyes; I suppose
that could be the SO2 or H2SO3 talking.
These are not the type of compounds I would be eager to eat.
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Farooq W
science forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 240
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:07 pm Post subject:
Re: Anthracite's Aromatic Compounds Smell Like Paradise
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Radium wrote:
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Some of the rural areas of WV, where NG is not readily available and many
folks have coal stoves, burning coal smoke in the winter smells to me mostly
like aromatic organic compounds.
I love this smell.
Coal tar distillates (the volatiles that
distill from coal on thermal processing, such as burning) include a large
number of relatively simple aromatic compounds (toluene and other
substituted benzenes), hetero-substituted aromatic compounds (substituted
pyridines, anilines, phenols), and polycyclic aromatic compounds
(naphthalenes, anthracenes, phenanthrenes, pyrenes, etc.)
Yes. The above compounds are included in the countless long list of
chemicals that give anthracite its heavenly flavor.
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These "heavenly flavours" would send people (who love these smells) to
heaven or hell by cancer!
Mr. Radium should tell us how real radium smells like? |
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The Psychedelic Pope
science forum beginner
Joined: 06 May 2005
Posts: 3
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject:
Re: Anthracite's Aromatic Compounds Smell Like Paradise
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Radium wrote:
| Quote: | luca...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
"Jo Schaper" <joschapern4os...@2socketdot.no5net> wrote in message
news:12987le206g0aee@corp.supernews.com...
Salmon Egg wrote:
On 6/16/06 12:28 PM, in article
1150486125.214671.56...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com, "Radium"
gluceg...@excite.com> wrote:
I would like to know what
exactly makes up the the volatiles in coal. What are the volatile
compounds in coal? Where can I find pure coal smoke?
I don't know about you all, but in my part of the world, what you smell
when you burn the coal are a whole slew of sulfur compounds, including
hydrogen sulfide, or 'rotten eggs'.
Some of the rural areas of WV, where NG is not readily available and many
folks have coal stoves, burning coal smoke in the winter smells to me mostly
like aromatic organic compounds.
I love this smell.
Coal tar distillates (the volatiles that
distill from coal on thermal processing, such as burning) include a large
number of relatively simple aromatic compounds (toluene and other
substituted benzenes), hetero-substituted aromatic compounds (substituted
pyridines, anilines, phenols), and polycyclic aromatic compounds
(naphthalenes, anthracenes, phenanthrenes, pyrenes, etc.)
Yes. The above compounds are included in the countless long list of
chemicals that give anthracite its heavenly flavor.
I never really
smell much of a sulfur smell, just these aromatics, even though I'm pretty
sure WV coal is high-sulfur. The smoke does tend to burn my eyes; I suppose
that could be the SO2 or H2SO3 talking.
These are not the type of compounds I would be eager to eat.
Eric Lucas
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Actually IMHO - Steve Jobs did a kick-ass effort when releasing
Anthracite 1.5 for the Mac OSX. Imagine adding the smell of hot
burning
sulfur and tar in a computer operating system. Now if thats not a
unique
selling aspect - I don't know what is! See:
http://www.metafy.com/
Windows XP can't do that! |
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Radium
science forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 15 Dec 2005
Posts: 241
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject:
Re: Anthracite's Aromatic Compounds Smell Like Paradise
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Farooq W wrote:
| Quote: | Radium wrote:
Some of the rural areas of WV, where NG is not readily available and many
folks have coal stoves, burning coal smoke in the winter smells to me mostly
like aromatic organic compounds.
I love this smell.
Coal tar distillates (the volatiles that
distill from coal on thermal processing, such as burning) include a large
number of relatively simple aromatic compounds (toluene and other
substituted benzenes), hetero-substituted aromatic compounds (substituted
pyridines, anilines, phenols), and polycyclic aromatic compounds
(naphthalenes, anthracenes, phenanthrenes, pyrenes, etc.)
Yes. The above compounds are included in the countless long list of
chemicals that give anthracite its heavenly flavor.
These "heavenly flavours" would send people (who love these smells) to
heaven or hell by cancer!
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Well, too much of anything -- good or bad -- is bad.
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Mr. Radium should tell us how real radium smells like? |
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hhc314@yahoo.com
science forum addict
Joined: 18 Sep 2005
Posts: 90
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:34 am Post subject:
Re: Anthracite's Aromatic Compounds Smell Like Paradise
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Ah, the old computer OS rwars rage on! Bravo! It give younger people
something to argue about. As a reformed (errr...I mean retired system
software developer), from my perspective the OS in use doesn't really
much matter so long as it has certain properties that a user friendly
to developers (nobody really cares about the poor system users). Also,
open architecture is very important, which of couse neither Apple nor
Micorsoft offer, except at ridiculously inflated prices just to lay
eyes on their source code and device drivers. Unix and Linux are open
architecture, but then they too have their own problems.
Sorry for the off topic response.
Harry C.
p.s., If you like the smell of burning anthracite, you will like Linux.
Set the CRT driver parameters incorrectly and Linux won't care, but
your monitor will. I love the smell of burning resistors and monitor
deflection circuitry early in the morning -- It smells like...another 2
months pay to get someone else's bugs worked out of the device drivers,
and another 4 or so monitors from the suppliers! |
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Dan Bloomquist
science forum addict
Joined: 05 May 2005
Posts: 94
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:35 am Post subject:
Re: Anthracite's Aromatic Compounds Smell Like Paradise
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hhc314@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | Ah, the old computer OS rwars rage on! Bravo! It give younger people
something to argue about. As a reformed (errr...I mean retired system
software developer), from my perspective the OS in use doesn't really
much matter so long as it has certain properties that a user friendly
to developers (nobody really cares about the poor system users). Also,
open architecture is very important, which of couse neither Apple nor
Micorsoft offer, except at ridiculously inflated prices just to lay
eyes on their source code and device drivers.
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Bonkers. The API in MS is quite adequate. I have no interest in seeing
their source. Device drivers are written by device vendors. Why anyone
would need to see the source of MS shipped drivers is beyond me.
| Quote: | Unix and Linux are open
architecture, but then they too have their own problems.
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What did you have in mind?
| Quote: | p.s., If you like the smell of burning anthracite, you will like Linux.
Set the CRT driver parameters incorrectly and Linux won't care, but
your monitor will.
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Get yourself a modern monitor. It sounds like the one you have isn't
worth $5 at a thrift store. BTW, it has nothing to do with the OS, it is
about the video card. Don't blame linux when the vendor of the video
card screws up. They wrote the driver.
| Quote: | I love the smell of burning resistors and monitor
deflection circuitry early in the morning -- It smells like...another 2
months pay to get someone else's bugs worked out of the device drivers,
and another 4 or so monitors from the suppliers!
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Boggle.
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"We need an energy policy that encourages consumption"
George W. Bush.
"Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue, but it is not a
sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy."
Vice President Dick Cheney |
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Robert B.
science forum beginner
Joined: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 4
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:01 am Post subject:
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Dan Bloomquist wrote:
| Quote: | hhc314@yahoo.com wrote:
Ah, the old computer OS rwars rage on! Bravo! It give younger people
something to argue about. As a reformed (errr...I mean retired system
software developer), from my perspective the OS in use doesn't really
much matter so long as it has certain properties that a user friendly
to developers (nobody really cares about the poor system users). Also,
open architecture is very important, which of couse neither Apple nor
Micorsoft offer, except at ridiculously inflated prices just to lay
eyes on their source code and device drivers.
Bonkers. The API in MS is quite adequate. I have no interest in seeing
their source. Device drivers are written by device vendors. Why anyone
would need to see the source of MS shipped drivers is beyond me.
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You do realize he was talking about developers, right? If you're a
hardware developer, programming geek, or hardware hacker, then you would
probably want to see the source to understand how things work.
Especially for hardware developers or geeks wanting to make their own
hardware, like Blinkenlights (LED bars that allow you to monitor how
much of your system resources are being used in a nifty way; first used
in Be, Inc.'s BeBox), or a custom DDR pad interface, it's important to
be able to know how things work, so they can make their drivers work at
their best.
| Quote: | Unix and Linux are open
architecture, but then they too have their own problems.
What did you have in mind?
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Not very user friendly jumps to my mind. Some distros are, sure, but the
majority aren't for normal desktop users.
| Quote: | p.s., If you like the smell of burning anthracite, you will like Linux.
Set the CRT driver parameters incorrectly and Linux won't care, but
your monitor will.
Get yourself a modern monitor. It sounds like the one you have isn't
worth $5 at a thrift store. BTW, it has nothing to do with the OS, it is
about the video card. Don't blame linux when the vendor of the video
card screws up. They wrote the driver.
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Many modern monitors do *not* have refresh rate protection. If you set
the refresh rate far too high, monitors that do not have protection
circuitry WILL destroy themselves. In many cases, there are no checks of
what the monitor can actually handle, so whatever program or driver
that's requesting this information takes it, applies it, and goes upon
it's merry way, without any restrictions. Linux is not the only offender
in this area... Many open source O/S's do this too.
Also, while there are some hardware vendors that do write their own
device drivers for Linux, many do not, and the user community or the
company creating the distribution must write them instead. Since these
drivers are often created by someone involved in making a Linux
distribution, they are often packaged with the distro. So it's not a far
stretch to say a driver problem is Linux's fault.
| Quote: | I love the smell of burning resistors and monitor
deflection circuitry early in the morning -- It smells like...another 2
months pay to get someone else's bugs worked out of the device drivers,
and another 4 or so monitors from the suppliers!
Boggle.
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Dan Bloomquist
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject:
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Robert B. wrote:
| Quote: | Dan Bloomquist wrote:
Bonkers. The API in MS is quite adequate. I have no interest in seeing
their source. Device drivers are written by device vendors. Why anyone
would need to see the source of MS shipped drivers is beyond me.
You do realize he was talking about developers, right?
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Yep.
| Quote: | If you're a
hardware developer, programming geek, or hardware hacker, then you would
probably want to see the source to understand how things work.
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No, you would not. Not any more than I care about how windows works
under the hood. You work 'with' an OS and let it do what it does. Once
you are under the hood your code is no longer portable, even on
variations of the same OS.
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devtools/ddk/default.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/archive/wdmoverview.mspx
| Quote: | Especially for hardware developers or geeks wanting to make their own
hardware, like Blinkenlights (LED bars that allow you to monitor how
much of your system resources are being used in a nifty way; first used
in Be, Inc.'s BeBox), or a custom DDR pad interface, it's important to
be able to know how things work, so they can make their drivers work at
their best.
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I've built a couple of ISA boards that worked on both MS and Linux. But
it has been going on a decade since I've done any hardware. On the other
hand I recently written a tool to query available printers and their
characteristics. What under the hood could I possibly want to see as the
code in 98 would be so very different from xp? I don't want to know how
it works, I just want it to work as advertised.
| Quote: | Unix and Linux are open
architecture, but then they too have their own problems.
What did you have in mind?
Not very user friendly jumps to my mind. Some distros are, sure, but the
majority aren't for normal desktop users.
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There are only two reasons I can think of for using linux. You are too
cheap to buy xp or you are a geek. I don't consider that a problem with
Linux.
| Quote: | p.s., If you like the smell of burning anthracite, you will like Linux.
Set the CRT driver parameters incorrectly and Linux won't care, but
your monitor will.
Get yourself a modern monitor. It sounds like the one you have isn't
worth $5 at a thrift store. BTW, it has nothing to do with the OS, it
is about the video card. Don't blame linux when the vendor of the
video card screws up. They wrote the driver.
Many modern monitors do *not* have refresh rate protection. If you set
the refresh rate far too high, monitors that do not have protection
circuitry WILL destroy themselves. In many cases, there are no checks of
what the monitor can actually handle, so whatever program or driver
that's requesting this information takes it, applies it, and goes upon
it's merry way, without any restrictions. Linux is not the only offender
in this area... Many open source O/S's do this too.
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I've never popped a monitor, I'll take your word that today's can be
popped. But you are mixing apples(g) and oranges. The only systems that
carry monitor characteristics are mass vended. You can pop one just as
easily with xp as you can with linux, if you can pop it.
| Quote: | Also, while there are some hardware vendors that do write their own
device drivers for Linux, many do not, and the user community or the
company creating the distribution must write them instead. Since these
drivers are often created by someone involved in making a Linux
distribution, they are often packaged with the distro. So it's not a far
stretch to say a driver problem is Linux's fault.
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How is it that if you crank up the video card to the point of popping a
monitor it is a driver problem? But if your point is that bad register
perimeters are more likely to be set with a linux driver, how could I
argue? But read Harry's contention. He said, 'Set the CRT driver
parameters incorrectly and Linux won't care.' This had nothing to do
with linux.
Best, Dan.
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"We need an energy policy that encourages consumption"
George W. Bush.
"Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue, but it is not a
sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy."
Vice President Dick Cheney |
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