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Sorcerer
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: This is What Einstein Actually Did. Reply with quote

"PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Sorcerer wrote:
| > "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1151443331.684517.255630@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
| > |
| > | Sorcerer wrote:
| > | > "tomgee" <tyropress@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:1151431530.173601.106530@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
| > | >
| > | > PD believes anyone that doesn't follow his religion is showing
| > "*exactly*
| > | > what is wrong with their thinking. I call that bigotry, because no
| > matter
| > | > how
| > | > you argue with him, he'll always be right in his eyes. He is the
typical
| > | > shithead
| > | > and arsehole.
| > | > Androcles
| > |
| > | In your case, Androcles, it's pretty plain what's wrong with your
| > | thinking. It's a pretty short trip following your thinking before you
| > | run into something that's patently wrong.
| > |
| > | Like how muons that are superluminal will leave the same amount of
| > | energy in a scintillator regardless of their initial speed, and still
| > | come out to be just under c by the time they leave the scintillator.
| > | You say, "I don't know HOW it does that, but it's sure more believable
| > | than time dilation." Apparently, to spit out something you thing is
| > | hogwash, you'd be happy to swallow something from further down the
| > | colon.
| > |
| >
| > I was talking about you, not to you.
| > You say a muon slows down in a scintillator
|
| I did? Where did I say that?
| Liar.
"Like how muons that are superluminal will leave the same amount of
energy in a scintillator regardless of their initial speed, and still
come out to be just under c by the time they leave the scintillator." -
CUNT.




|
| >and you don't know how
| > it does that,
|
| I don't? Where did I say that?
| Liar.

Oh, you do know how they lose energy without slowing down.... do tell us
all, cunt.


|
| >so it must have gone in at just under c = 0/0 and come
| > out at c = 1/0. <shrug>
|
| c = 299,792,458 m/s (or 1, depending on your system of units).
| Are you a bonehead, Androcles? Why yes, yes, I believe you are.

See what I mean? No matter how you argue with him, he'll always be right in
his eyes.
He is the typical shithead and arsehole.
The speed of light from A to B is AB/(tB-tA) = 299,792,458 m/s
whereas c from A to A is 0/(t'A-tA) = 0/0 m/s.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/DominoEffect.GIF
Everybody knows a constant velocity reverses direction, don't you, Phuckwit
Cunt?
Us boneheads will continue with speed of light from A to B is AB/(tB-tA) =
299,792,458 m/s
leaving you phuckwits in the dust.

Androcles.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:17 pm    Post subject: Re: This is What Einstein Actually Did. Reply with quote

"PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
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|
| Sorcerer wrote:
| > "Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
| > news:l8e3a2dg48lfg1l2f786t4puv9a0s069p3@4ax.com...
| > | On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:29:18 GMT, "Sorcerer"
| > <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_a>
| > | wrote:
| > | >
| > | >Phuckwit Duck:
| > | > " I have to admit that I am demoralized at the moment.
| > | >
| > | > I had hoped that we could fight ignorance with a proactive rather
| > | > than a reactive approach, but this is clearly the improper forum for
| > | > that. A quick survey of the length of threads initiated by or
drifting
| > | > to nonsense compared to the length of threads based on sound
thinking
| > | > reveals the true interest in the proposal.
| > | >
| > | > While it would be a useful project to contribute to the FAQ, the
| > | > intent was to educate in the context of discussion, a virtual
| > | > "classroom" if you will. There's no point in contributing to a
| > | > reference that none of the "students" will read or attempt to learn
| > | > from. The intention was to focus on *exactly* what is wrong in
| > | > someone's thinking (which varies from person to person), set it
| > | > straight, and then make progress from there.
| > | >
| > | > I had high hopes -- really -- that perhaps one misguided soul would
| > | > read something sensible and say, "Oh... Really?...Oh. I see I was
| > | > confused. OK, I get it now. Now what about...?" My head knew better,
| > | > my heart does not.
| > | >
| > | > [sitting in the duck blind, waiting with a shotgun for a duck to
| > | > appear]"
| > | >-- Phuckwit Duck.
| > | >
| > | >PD believes anyone that doesn't follow his religion is showing
"*exactly*
| > | >what is wrong with their thinking. I call that bigotry, because no
matter
| > | >how
| > | >you argue with him, he'll always be right in his eyes. He is the
typical
| > | >shithead
| > | >and arsehole.
| > |
| > | ...and leader of the SRian baboon brigade, a pathetic collection of
| > | self-opiniated would-be's who just don't have any scientifric ability.
| > |
| >
| > He is certainly the most vociferous at the moment. I guarantee he'll
| > snip when cornered by logic he cannot respond to in any other way.
|
| Why, Androcles, I'm shocked! I haven't snipped a thing you said here.

I was talking about you, not to you.
You'll snip when cornered by mathematics.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Smart/Smart.htm

| >
| > A non-partisan lurker would instantly see that, so I have no idea what
| > he hopes to gain by snipping, that is the least persuasive argument of
all.
| > Few of the shitheads will respond to me anymore, they know when
| > they are up against a heavyweight.
|
| Ah yes, a fierce opponent who no one wants to take on anymore:
| http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/roadkill.jpg

Is that a physics argument or a demoralised argument, phuckwit cunt?

When a Brit wants to flatten the opposition, he does it right:

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/06/jcbhousecrush270606_600x357.jpg
"He not only took out the couple's entire house and contents, he wrote off
two brand-new luxury cars and a police car as well. He even began to swing
the vehicle's lethal front bucket at the £250,000 two-storey house and tore
a hole in the wall before Miss Gledhill had time to make a hasty exit from
the upstairs bedroom. A police car which tried to block his path was
squashed by the bucket as if it were a fly being swatted. " - Daily Mail
:-)

Androcles



|
| > Let them collaborate and form a
| > joint opinion, I'll take them ALL on, from Baez to Roberts to all the
way
| > down to the lightweights Spookfood and Gisse.
| > Androcles.
|
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: This is What Einstein Actually Did. Reply with quote

"PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
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|
| Sorcerer wrote:
| > "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1151450763.888278.83270@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
| > |
| > | Henri Wilson wrote:
| > | > On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:29:18 GMT, "Sorcerer"
| > <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_a>
| > | > wrote:
| > | >
| > | > >
| > | > >PD believes anyone that doesn't follow his religion is showing
| > "*exactly*
| > | > >what is wrong with their thinking. I call that bigotry, because no
| > matter
| > | > >how
| > | > >you argue with him, he'll always be right in his eyes. He is the
| > typical
| > | > >shithead
| > | > >and arsehole.
| > | >
| > | > ...and leader of the SRian baboon brigade, a pathetic collection of
| > | > self-opiniated would-be's who just don't have any scientifric
ability.
| > | >
| > |
| > | And who appointed me leader? You? No one else has.
| >
| > Observation, shithead. You write the most. Therefore you are the leading
| > baboon.
|
| Hell, that's not even true. I write a lot, but certainly not the most.
|
| >
| >
| > | And how do you judge scientific ability, Henri?
| >
| > By applicability to technology and reality.
| >
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Synchronize/Synchronize.htm
|
| Hello, Henri. Have you changed pseudonyms again?

Yawn...


| >
| >
| > | By whether they are
| > | original or by whether they are right?
| >
| > You can't be right, Sagnac proves it.
| >
| > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
| >
| > This is where you start muttering "inertial" and "domain of
applicability".
| >
| > You are shitheads.

No answer to that, is there, shithead?

| > Androcles
|
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: This is What Einstein Actually Did. Reply with quote

"tomgee" <tyropress@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
On 26 Jun 2006 06:02:25 -0700, "tomgee" <tyropress@yahoo.com
wrote:


Quote:
I see your point, and I can agree that is one way to describe what
AE
actually did with the luminous ether theory. If by "outlandish
definition"
you refer to "moving clocks run slow", I must again agree that is
an
apt
description of what he meant, but it was outlandish even more so
in
that
it appears to be true.

Since when?
There is no believable proof of that Tom.

The math evidence is very strong,

"I don't know that much math." - tomgee; 2 April 2006

Quote:
however, and while math is no
better than logic in representing reality, it does sometimes make
predictions that are later confirmed. The Twin Paradox is only one
of two thought experiments that support the math of SR,

The TP doesn't support anything. It's a story used to ILLUSTRATE a
theory. A guy comes back from a space trip younger than another guy
who was his age when the trip began. That's the TP. How does that
story support anything?


Quote:
Yes but at least the aether theories have some kind of physical
connection.
Contractions are actually REAL.

That is too counterintuitive for me to agree with at this point. It
is
too hard
for me to believe that physical objects will contract in different
frames.

That's why science is different than faith. Science is not about
believing it, and it's not about being consistent with prejudice.
It's about the truth.


Quote:
I
think that it is time that varies, creating that effect, but that it
is
only an illusion
based on the time dilation effect. I have yet to figure out how
that
occurs, but
I hope to do just that sooner or later.

LOL!

"I don't claim to know what I'm talking about" - tomgee; 10 May 2006


Quote:
I must disagree, as I don't agree there is such a thing, whatever
it means.

You don't agree that something you have no clue as to its meaning
exists? How can you disagree that it exists if you don't know what
he's talking about?


Quote:
For anyone interested, I have reduced my essay model to about 4 MB
for
emailing free to those here willing to provide me feedback about
it
here in
these same science ngs. It is in MS Word 6.0. To get it, just
email
me
your email address to: typropress@yahoo.com. It's a work in
progress
still, but all the ideas are there fully supported and explained.
If
you are
willing to discuss my ideas anywhere with anyone you know, or even
just

in public here in these ngs, I will be glad to send them to you.
You
can
post passages from it for discussion, but it is a copyrighted work
and
so
whole chapters or the entire work may not be reproduced unless you
first
pay me five dollars US per chapter or ten dollars US per each
entire
work.

What a nut job. Does it still say that time is inversely proportional
to an object's state of motion?

"In fact, I have had to revise much of it to keep up with what I have
learned from responses to my ideas here"

*tomgee* changed *his* essay which describes *his* ideas because of
what *he* has learned from *his* responses to *his* ideas. LOL!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: Re: This is What Einstein Actually Did. Reply with quote

In article <1151508097.151742.198910@x69g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>,
<dwhig265@aol.com> wrote:

Quote:
Excellent post! Now please describe the above with orthogonally
positioned rulers. (three dimensions). Dwain W. Higginbotham



Please point to the centre of the surface area of the Earth.

Extrapolate up one dimenstion.

--
The greatest enemy of science is pseudoscience.

Jaffa cakes. Sweet delicious orangey jaffa goodness, and an abject lesson why
parroting information from the web will not teach you cosmology.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: This is What Einstein Actually Did. Reply with quote

"Sorcerer" <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote in message news:CYxog.490336$tc.195439@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Quote:

"PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
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|
| Sorcerer wrote:

[snip]

Quote:
| > He is certainly the most vociferous at the moment. I guarantee he'll
| > snip when cornered by logic he cannot respond to in any other way.
|
| Why, Androcles, I'm shocked! I haven't snipped a thing you said here.

I was talking about you, not to you.
You'll snip when cornered by mathematics.

Androcles, cornering us with his integrals:
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Integral.html
Androcles, cornering us with his geometry:
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http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/VectorLength.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/VectorSpaces.html
Androcles, cornering us with his limits:
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Androcles, cornering us with his equations:
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http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Persuasive.html
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http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Pythagoras.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/ToothlessBite.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Competent.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/UseTrans.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Sheesh.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SetSolve.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/DivZero.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Think.html
Androcles, cornering us with his square roots:
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/GoodTeachers.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/TwoTurds.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/STILL.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/CanSpecify.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Nearly.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Quadratic.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/GrowUp.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Tautology.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Material.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/GIVEN.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PythagoRescue.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SqrtRev.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/NegSqrt.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Humour.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SqrtAnswers.html
Androcles, cornering us with his Boolean algebra:
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http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Gibberish.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/XOROnceMore.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/XORrevisited.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/XORContinued.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/XORPersistence.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/LooksBoolean.html
Androcles, cornering us with his partial differential equations:
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http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PartialDiff2.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PartialDiff3.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PartialDiff4.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/NotFxy.html

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: This is What Einstein Actually Did. Reply with quote

Sorcerer wrote:
Quote:
"PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151496744.924923.260870@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
|
| Sorcerer wrote:
| > "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1151443331.684517.255630@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
| > |
| > | Sorcerer wrote:
| > | > "tomgee" <tyropress@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:1151431530.173601.106530@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
| > |
| > | > PD believes anyone that doesn't follow his religion is showing
| > "*exactly*
| > | > what is wrong with their thinking. I call that bigotry, because no
| > matter
| > | > how
| > | > you argue with him, he'll always be right in his eyes. He is the
typical
| > | > shithead
| > | > and arsehole.
| > | > Androcles
| > |
| > | In your case, Androcles, it's pretty plain what's wrong with your
| > | thinking. It's a pretty short trip following your thinking before you
| > | run into something that's patently wrong.
| > |
| > | Like how muons that are superluminal will leave the same amount of
| > | energy in a scintillator regardless of their initial speed, and still
| > | come out to be just under c by the time they leave the scintillator.
| > | You say, "I don't know HOW it does that, but it's sure more believable
| > | than time dilation." Apparently, to spit out something you thing is
| > | hogwash, you'd be happy to swallow something from further down the
| > | colon.
| > |
|
| > I was talking about you, not to you.
| > You say a muon slows down in a scintillator
|
| I did? Where did I say that?
| Liar.
"Like how muons that are superluminal will leave the same amount of
energy in a scintillator regardless of their initial speed, and still
come out to be just under c by the time they leave the scintillator." -
CUNT.

I was referring to YOUR thinking, not mine, Androcles. Pay attention.
Wipe the foam off your mouth, too, it's gotten on your glasses and
impaired your reading.

Quote:




|
| >and you don't know how
| > it does that,
|
| I don't? Where did I say that?
| Liar.

Oh, you do know how they lose energy without slowing down.... do tell us
all, cunt.

I know how they lose energy when they slow down. I didn't say that I
don't know how it does that. You did. Would you like a reference to
where you said that?

Quote:


|
| >so it must have gone in at just under c = 0/0 and come
| > out at c = 1/0. <shrug
|
| c = 299,792,458 m/s (or 1, depending on your system of units).
| Are you a bonehead, Androcles? Why yes, yes, I believe you are.

See what I mean? No matter how you argue with him, he'll always be right in
his eyes.
He is the typical shithead and arsehole.
The speed of light from A to B is AB/(tB-tA) = 299,792,458 m/s

Yes indeed.

Quote:
whereas c from A to A is 0/(t'A-tA) = 0/0 m/s.

No, that's not a speed during a round-trip, that's the magnitude of the
velocity on a round-trip. Do you not know the difference?

You're a math major. You know the difference between an average of
magnitudes and a magnitude of an average?

Quote:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/DominoEffect.GIF
Everybody knows a constant velocity reverses direction, don't you, Phuckwit
Cunt?
Us boneheads will continue with speed of light from A to B is AB/(tB-tA) =
299,792,458 m/s

That's fine.

Quote:
leaving you phuckwits in the dust.

Androcles.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: This is What Einstein Actually Did. Reply with quote

Sorcerer wrote:
Quote:
"PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151496945.067946.10750@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
|
| Sorcerer wrote:
| > "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1151450763.888278.83270@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
| > |
| > | Henri Wilson wrote:
| > | > On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:29:18 GMT, "Sorcerer"
| > <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_a
| > | > wrote:
| > |
| > |
| > | > >PD believes anyone that doesn't follow his religion is showing
| > "*exactly*
| > | > >what is wrong with their thinking. I call that bigotry, because no
| > matter
| > | > >how
| > | > >you argue with him, he'll always be right in his eyes. He is the
| > typical
| > | > >shithead
| > | > >and arsehole.
| > |
| > | > ...and leader of the SRian baboon brigade, a pathetic collection of
| > | > self-opiniated would-be's who just don't have any scientifric
ability.
| > |
| > |
| > | And who appointed me leader? You? No one else has.
|
| > Observation, shithead. You write the most. Therefore you are the leading
| > baboon.
|
| Hell, that's not even true. I write a lot, but certainly not the most.
|
|
|
| > | And how do you judge scientific ability, Henri?
|
| > By applicability to technology and reality.
|
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Synchronize/Synchronize.htm
|
| Hello, Henri. Have you changed pseudonyms again?

Yawn...


|
|
| > | By whether they are
| > | original or by whether they are right?
|
| > You can't be right, Sagnac proves it.
|
| > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
|
| > This is where you start muttering "inertial" and "domain of
applicability".
|
| > You are shitheads.

No answer to that, is there, shithead?

Answer to what? The place where I didn't mutter anything about ... what
were those two things you said I'd mutter?

Or do you mean that vast waste of energy you call a web page? Have you
stopped neglecting your grandchildren yet, Androcles?

Quote:

| > Androcles
|
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: This is What Einstein Actually Did. Reply with quote

Sorcerer wrote:
[snip]
No mathematics there.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: This is What Einstein Actually Did. Reply with quote

"PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151518607.218930.320160@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
|
| Sorcerer wrote:
| > "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1151496744.924923.260870@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| > |
| > | Sorcerer wrote:
| > | > "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:1151443331.684517.255630@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
| > | > |
| > | > | Sorcerer wrote:
| > | > | > "tomgee" <tyropress@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:1151431530.173601.106530@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
| > | > | >
| > | > | > PD believes anyone that doesn't follow his religion is showing
| > | > "*exactly*
| > | > | > what is wrong with their thinking. I call that bigotry, because
no
| > | > matter
| > | > | > how
| > | > | > you argue with him, he'll always be right in his eyes. He is the
| > typical
| > | > | > shithead
| > | > | > and arsehole.
| > | > | > Androcles
| > | > |
| > | > | In your case, Androcles, it's pretty plain what's wrong with your
| > | > | thinking. It's a pretty short trip following your thinking before
you
| > | > | run into something that's patently wrong.
| > | > |
| > | > | Like how muons that are superluminal will leave the same amount of
| > | > | energy in a scintillator regardless of their initial speed, and
still
| > | > | come out to be just under c by the time they leave the
scintillator.
| > | > | You say, "I don't know HOW it does that, but it's sure more
believable
| > | > | than time dilation." Apparently, to spit out something you thing
is
| > | > | hogwash, you'd be happy to swallow something from further down the
| > | > | colon.
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | > I was talking about you, not to you.
| > | > You say a muon slows down in a scintillator
| > |
| > | I did? Where did I say that?
| > | Liar.
| > "Like how muons that are superluminal will leave the same amount of
| > energy in a scintillator regardless of their initial speed, and still
| > come out to be just under c by the time they leave the scintillator." -
| > CUNT.
|
| I was referring to YOUR thinking, not mine, Androcles.

I know, arsehole, and I'm referring to yours. You say a muon slows down
(i.e. loses energy) in a scintillator, slowing to subluminal < c.


| Pay attention.
| Wipe the foam off your mouth, too, it's gotten on your glasses and
| impaired your reading.

Wipe your mouth out with soap, jackass. Your glasses need cleaning
and that impairs your writing.

| >
| >
| >
| >
| > |
| > | >and you don't know how
| > | > it does that,
| > |
| > | I don't? Where did I say that?
| > | Liar.
| >
| > Oh, you do know how they lose energy without slowing down.... do tell us
| > all, cunt.
|
| I know how they lose energy when they slow down.

See, you say muons slow down, and when I say you say it, you say I'm a
liar, you cunt. It's a pretty short trip following your thinking
before anyone runs into something that's patently wrong.
(Not that you've ever measured the speed of a muon before it's going
into a scintillator.) Anyway, the aurora are Cherenkov radiation, so clearly
particles entering atmosphere are superluminal.

| I didn't say that I
| don't know how it does that. You did. Would you like a reference to
| where you said that?

I know what you said, shithead. of course I said you don't know.
You didn't know how the aurorae glow, either, until I told you.

|
| >
| >
| > |
| > | >so it must have gone in at just under c = 0/0 and come
| > | > out at c = 1/0. <shrug>
| > |
| > | c = 299,792,458 m/s (or 1, depending on your system of units).
| > | Are you a bonehead, Androcles? Why yes, yes, I believe you are.
| >
| > See what I mean? No matter how you argue with him, he'll always be
right in
| > his eyes.
| > He is the typical shithead and arsehole.
| > The speed of light from A to B is AB/(tB-tA) = 299,792,458 m/s
|
| Yes indeed.
Yes indeed.
|
| > whereas c from A to A is 0/(t'A-tA) = 0/0 m/s.
|
| No, that's not a speed during a round-trip, that's the magnitude of the
| velocity on a round-trip. Do you not know the difference?

There is no velocity for a round trip, arsehole. Velocity is a vector,
it has both direction and magnitude, not two directions.


|
| You're a math major. You know the difference between an average of
| magnitudes and a magnitude of an average?
|
| > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/DominoEffect.GIF
| > Everybody knows a constant velocity reverses direction, don't you,
Phuckwit
| > Cunt?
| > Us boneheads will continue with speed of light from A to B is AB/(tB-tA)
=
| > 299,792,458 m/s
|
| That's fine.

Of course it is. Everybody knows a constant velocity reverses direction,
don't you, Phuckwit Cunt?
The speed of light = 299,792,458 m/s, the symbol c = 0/0 because
"the velocity of light in our theory plays the part, physically, of an
infinitely great velocity."- IFC Einstein

Phuckwit Duck plays the part, physically, of a Phuckwit Cunt.


Androcles.



|
| > leaving you phuckwits in the dust.
| >
| > Androcles.
|
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: This is What Einstein Actually Did. Reply with quote

"PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
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|
| Sorcerer wrote:
| [snip]
| No mathematics there.
|
| PD

Correct, I upstaged your non-mathematical argument.
I was talking to Henri about you, not to you, cunt.
I can outflame you anytime, you even lose a flame war.
Have a nice flame:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/flame.gif


unsnip
| Sorcerer wrote:
| > "Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
| > news:l8e3a2dg48lfg1l2f786t4puv9a0s069p3@4ax.com...
| > | On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:29:18 GMT, "Sorcerer"
| > <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_a>
| > | wrote:
| > | >
| > | >Phuckwit Duck:
| > | > " I have to admit that I am demoralized at the moment.
| > | >
| > | > I had hoped that we could fight ignorance with a proactive rather
| > | > than a reactive approach, but this is clearly the improper forum for
| > | > that. A quick survey of the length of threads initiated by or
drifting
| > | > to nonsense compared to the length of threads based on sound
thinking
| > | > reveals the true interest in the proposal.
| > | >
| > | > While it would be a useful project to contribute to the FAQ, the
| > | > intent was to educate in the context of discussion, a virtual
| > | > "classroom" if you will. There's no point in contributing to a
| > | > reference that none of the "students" will read or attempt to learn
| > | > from. The intention was to focus on *exactly* what is wrong in
| > | > someone's thinking (which varies from person to person), set it
| > | > straight, and then make progress from there.
| > | >
| > | > I had high hopes -- really -- that perhaps one misguided soul would
| > | > read something sensible and say, "Oh... Really?...Oh. I see I was
| > | > confused. OK, I get it now. Now what about...?" My head knew better,
| > | > my heart does not.
| > | >
| > | > [sitting in the duck blind, waiting with a shotgun for a duck to
| > | > appear]"
| > | >-- Phuckwit Duck.
| > | >
| > | >PD believes anyone that doesn't follow his religion is showing
"*exactly*
| > | >what is wrong with their thinking. I call that bigotry, because no
matter
| > | >how
| > | >you argue with him, he'll always be right in his eyes. He is the
typical
| > | >shithead
| > | >and arsehole.
| > |
| > | ...and leader of the SRian baboon brigade, a pathetic collection of
| > | self-opiniated would-be's who just don't have any scientifric ability.
| > |
| >
| > He is certainly the most vociferous at the moment. I guarantee he'll
| > snip when cornered by logic he cannot respond to in any other way.
|
| Why, Androcles, I'm shocked! I haven't snipped a thing you said here.

I was talking about you, not to you.
You'll snip when cornered by mathematics.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Smart/Smart.htm

| >
| > A non-partisan lurker would instantly see that, so I have no idea what
| > he hopes to gain by snipping, that is the least persuasive argument of
all.
| > Few of the shitheads will respond to me anymore, they know when
| > they are up against a heavyweight.
|
| Ah yes, a fierce opponent who no one wants to take on anymore:
| http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/roadkill.jpg

Is that a physics argument or a demoralised argument, phuckwit cunt?

When a Brit wants to flatten the opposition, he does it right:

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/06/jcbhousecrush270606_600x357.jpg
"He not only took out the couple's entire house and contents, he wrote off
two brand-new luxury cars and a police car as well. He even began to swing
the vehicle's lethal front bucket at the £250,000 two-storey house and tore
a hole in the wall before Miss Gledhill had time to make a hasty exit from
the upstairs bedroom. A police car which tried to block his path was
squashed by the bucket as if it were a fly being swatted. " - Daily Mail
:-)

Androcles



|
| > Let them collaborate and form a
| > joint opinion, I'll take them ALL on, from Baez to Roberts to all the
way
| > down to the lightweights Spookfood and Gisse.
| > Androcles.
|
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: This is What Einstein Actually Did. Reply with quote

"PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
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|
| Sorcerer wrote:
| > "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1151496945.067946.10750@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
| > |
| > | Sorcerer wrote:
| > | > "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:1151450763.888278.83270@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
| > | > |
| > | > | Henri Wilson wrote:
| > | > | > On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:29:18 GMT, "Sorcerer"
| > | > <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_a>
| > | > | > wrote:
| > | > | >
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > >PD believes anyone that doesn't follow his religion is showing
| > | > "*exactly*
| > | > | > >what is wrong with their thinking. I call that bigotry, because
no
| > | > matter
| > | > | > >how
| > | > | > >you argue with him, he'll always be right in his eyes. He is
the
| > | > typical
| > | > | > >shithead
| > | > | > >and arsehole.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > ...and leader of the SRian baboon brigade, a pathetic collection
of
| > | > | > self-opiniated would-be's who just don't have any scientifric
| > ability.
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | And who appointed me leader? You? No one else has.
| > | >
| > | > Observation, shithead. You write the most. Therefore you are the
leading
| > | > baboon.
| > |
| > | Hell, that's not even true. I write a lot, but certainly not the most.
| > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | And how do you judge scientific ability, Henri?
| > | >
| > | > By applicability to technology and reality.
| > | >
| > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Synchronize/Synchronize.htm
| > |
| > | Hello, Henri. Have you changed pseudonyms again?
| >
| > Yawn...
| >
| >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | By whether they are
| > | > | original or by whether they are right?
| > | >
| > | > You can't be right, Sagnac proves it.
| > | >
| > | > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
| > | >
| > | > This is where you start muttering "inertial" and "domain of
| > applicability".
| > | >
| > | > You are shitheads.
| >
| > No answer to that, is there, shithead?
|
| Answer to what? The place where I didn't mutter anything about ... what
| were those two things you said I'd mutter?

You have no answer to Sagnac, shithead.

|
| Or do you mean that vast waste of energy you call a web page? Have you
| stopped neglecting your grandchildren yet, Androcles?

I'd snip since you produced no mathematics, but I like driving
the point home. That vast waste of energy has convinced a few youngsters
that Einstein was a shithead almost before they've heard of him.
Quite smart, some kids, especially my buddy's grandson aged 13.
They get free copies of my book, too, as well as a new piano.
Do you buy your grandkids 76-key Casio pianos, Phuckwit Duck?
http://www.apsbuyonline.co.uk/catalog/product.php?productid=16351

Androcles.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:35 pm    Post subject: Re: This is What Einstein Actually Did. Reply with quote

On 28 Jun 2006 09:06:26 -0700, "tomgee" <tyropress@yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
On 26 Jun 2006 06:02:25 -0700, "tomgee" <tyropress@yahoo.com> wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:
Before Einstein, Lorentz's aether theory satisfactorily explained the MMX null
result via his LTs. However, in spite of this, the null result was still taken
Tom I don't agree with any of this.

You are a dreamer.



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:38 pm    Post subject: Re: This is What Einstein Actually Did. Reply with quote

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:07:37 GMT, "Sorcerer" <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_a>
wrote:

Quote:

"Henry Haapalainen" <kirppu@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
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|> > Obviously you can't understand it, but here it is once again:
|
| > > http://www.wakkanet.fi/~fields/
|
| > > Henry Haapalainen
|
| (deleted)
|
| Eric Gisse alias Phineas T Puddleduck, just shut up. HH
|

You've fucked up again, Happy Henry. Goose can't be Phuddlephuck,
Goose is even MORE stupid than that.

Piddlephuck and PD are definitely slightly less dumb than geese...but dda
clearly has an IQ approaching zero. Maybe he is Varney's ghost.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:43 pm    Post subject: Henri Wilson Patented Cretin - WannaBe Bricolage physicist Reply with quote

Patented Cretin Henri Wilson wrote:
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You are eating too much s**t, Henri. You may chocke on it. Actually,
you will choke on it.
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