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Carmen
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:32 am    Post subject: Re: I believe Starbucks is doping their coffee. Reply with quote

Bill Penrose wrote:
Quote:
vernon wrote:
I guess Bill though he could buy a cup of Starbuck's for $0.25 and they
laughed at him.

Better than that. For of the project we were doing, the same coffee
chemist sent us 5 lb bags of several varieties of coffee. After the
experiments were done, the bags were put into protective custody so the
students wouldn't run off with them. At suitable intervals (daily) we
ran quality control checks on the coffee to make sure no one was
pilfering or tampering with it. Sure enough, after a few weeks the
coffee had entirely disappeared.

How can I get in on that racket, er, I mean research? I'm pre-med,
completed through first senior year, bio through the usuals and
Immunology & Serology, chem all the usual suspects, some physics and
mathematics inclusive of advanced statistics (both stand alone and
applied in a melded psych course). Pretty please? <G>

Quote:
It definitely ain't true that all coffees are the same. The same coffee
variety also differs by source, year, storage conditions, roasting
conditions, whatnot.

Tell me about it. I purchased a disappointing batch of Sidamo
recently. It lacks the normal boldness, although it does have the
body. Exploring differing levels of roast didn't reveal much in the
way of compensation either. Sigh.

Carmen
> Bill Penrose
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vernon
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:18 pm    Post subject: Re: I believe Starbucks is doping their coffee. Reply with quote

"Bill Penrose" <penrose@iit.edu> wrote in message
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Quote:
vernon wrote:
I guess Bill though he could buy a cup of Starbuck's for $0.25 and they
laughed at him.

Better than that. For of the project we were doing, the same coffee
chemist sent us 5 lb bags of several varieties of coffee. After the
experiments were done, the bags were put into protective custody so the
students wouldn't run off with them. At suitable intervals (daily) we
ran quality control checks on the coffee to make sure no one was
pilfering or tampering with it. Sure enough, after a few weeks the
coffee had entirely disappeared.

It definitely ain't true that all coffees are the same. The same coffee
variety also differs by source, year, storage conditions, roasting
conditions, whatnot.

Bill Penrose


WOW, coffees are different.

Starbuck's isn't very unique.

The same chemist???? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Unbiased? ha ha
ha ha ha ha

No one in the "school" was educated sufficiently to go purchase blindly ten
different brands, different types of each brand , separate them by
type,(Columbian etc.) and do the experiment?
Figures.

So the students wouldn't run off with them? figures

Define variety. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Bill Penrose
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:19 pm    Post subject: Re: I believe Starbucks is doping their coffee. Reply with quote

vernon wrote:
Quote:
I guess Bill though he could buy a cup of Starbuck's for $0.25 and they
laughed at him.

Better than that. For of the project we were doing, the same coffee
chemist sent us 5 lb bags of several varieties of coffee. After the
experiments were done, the bags were put into protective custody so the
students wouldn't run off with them. At suitable intervals (daily) we
ran quality control checks on the coffee to make sure no one was
pilfering or tampering with it. Sure enough, after a few weeks the
coffee had entirely disappeared.

It definitely ain't true that all coffees are the same. The same coffee
variety also differs by source, year, storage conditions, roasting
conditions, whatnot.

Bill Penrose
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vernon
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: I believe Starbucks is doping their coffee. Reply with quote

"Carmen" <carmensrt@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

Bill Penrose wrote:
Rex wrote:
I used to think Starbucks employees act oddly. They act rather
territorial, and anxious about customers staying for more than 5
minutes.

I got this some years ago (second-hand) from a chemist employed by
Starbucks:

Starbucks coffee contains about twice the caffeine per ounce as an
average coffee. It's unlikely that they dope it with added caffeine,
since it would be cheaper just to select or breed crops for higher
caffeine content.

There's no evidence they select for higher caffeine content. They do,
however, roast dark. Right off the bat that leads to about a 20% mass
loss from green. Then they don't skimp on the amount of coffee they
use when brewing. (For example, their one-pot bags are 2.5 oz. Most
other companies are 1.75 oz to 2 oz for a one-pot bag) Take coffee
that has more caffeine per ounce due to roasting level, then use more
of it when brewing and you're going to have higher caffeine levels per
fluid ounce in the brewed finished product. No sinister manipulation
required, just a natural outcome of their business practices. ;-)

Carmen


It is also deliberately over-roasted, ie, burned, because it is
intended to be mixed with milk and syrups, etc, for specialty drinks.
This is where the profit is. The burned flavor withstands dilution
better.

Bill Penrose

Right

Those who don't know how to make coffee make some dumb remarks about various
coffees.
If one (as you say) takes ANY BRAND good roasted coffee and makes coffee
rather than dishwater, we end up with a real rich tasting cup.
The pure stuff made in a filter type maker is also the type recently
identified as "good" for us.

They do NOT over-roast. The cheap coffees are extra roasted to enhance
flavor when non fully ripe beans are used.

The real culprit at Starbuck's is not the coffee. It is the customers who
load with cream and sugar, whether real or imitation sugar and cream.

I guess Bill though he could buy a cup of Starbuck's for $0.25 and they
laughed at him.
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Carmen
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: I believe Starbucks is doping their coffee. Reply with quote

Bill Penrose wrote:
Quote:
Rex wrote:
I used to think Starbucks employees act oddly. They act rather
territorial, and anxious about customers staying for more than 5
minutes.

I got this some years ago (second-hand) from a chemist employed by
Starbucks:

Starbucks coffee contains about twice the caffeine per ounce as an
average coffee. It's unlikely that they dope it with added caffeine,
since it would be cheaper just to select or breed crops for higher
caffeine content.

There's no evidence they select for higher caffeine content. They do,
however, roast dark. Right off the bat that leads to about a 20% mass
loss from green. Then they don't skimp on the amount of coffee they
use when brewing. (For example, their one-pot bags are 2.5 oz. Most
other companies are 1.75 oz to 2 oz for a one-pot bag) Take coffee
that has more caffeine per ounce due to roasting level, then use more
of it when brewing and you're going to have higher caffeine levels per
fluid ounce in the brewed finished product. No sinister manipulation
required, just a natural outcome of their business practices. ;-)

Carmen


Quote:
It is also deliberately over-roasted, ie, burned, because it is
intended to be mixed with milk and syrups, etc, for specialty drinks.
This is where the profit is. The burned flavor withstands dilution
better.

Bill Penrose
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Bill Penrose
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:55 am    Post subject: Re: I believe Starbucks is doping their coffee. Reply with quote

Rex wrote:
Quote:
I used to think Starbucks employees act oddly. They act rather
territorial, and anxious about customers staying for more than 5
minutes.

I got this some years ago (second-hand) from a chemist employed by
Starbucks:

Starbucks coffee contains about twice the caffeine per ounce as an
average coffee. It's unlikely that they dope it with added caffeine,
since it would be cheaper just to select or breed crops for higher
caffeine content.

It is also deliberately over-roasted, ie, burned, because it is
intended to be mixed with milk and syrups, etc, for specialty drinks.
This is where the profit is. The burned flavor withstands dilution
better.

Bill Penrose
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martyminor11@yahoo.com
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:54 pm    Post subject: Re: I believe Starbucks is doping their coffee. Reply with quote

Carmen wrote:
Quote:
Kyle wrote:
They're certainly goopifying their coffee -- mixing it with slush,
whipped cream, caramel sauce, etc. I don't discern the flavor of
coffee in some of these drinks. Starbucks' beverages are increasingly
less like coffee and more like milkshakes.

It'd be impossible for me to count the number of visits to Starbucks
I've made, and I've yet to have one of the frou-frou drinks. If you
want coffee, order coffee. Likewise with espresso. Don't blame them
if you order a Grande Caramel Frappuccino with Triple Whip (extra syrup
please) and it doesn't taste like coffee. They sell what people order.

Carmen

Carmen,

Good point. Let's face it, Starbucks is in the business to make their
shareholders big bucks, just like any other business. I forget who
said it, but the point is, "Give the people what they want."
Starbucks does that extremely well. I for one think my home roasted
coffee is better than Starbucks, but I still go there on occassion with
my wife who does not like coffee, and we both enjoy their Vanilla
Blended Cremes.

Marty
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Kyle11
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: I believe Starbucks is doping their coffee. Reply with quote

Carmen wrote:
Quote:
Kyle wrote:
They're certainly goopifying their coffee -- mixing it with slush,
whipped cream, caramel sauce, etc. I don't discern the flavor of
coffee in some of these drinks. Starbucks' beverages are increasingly
less like coffee and more like milkshakes.

It'd be impossible for me to count the number of visits to Starbucks
I've made, and I've yet to have one of the frou-frou drinks. If you
want coffee, order coffee. Likewise with espresso. Don't blame them
if you order a Grande Caramel Frappuccino with Triple Whip (extra syrup
please) and it doesn't taste like coffee. They sell what people order.

I'd say they have started a trend (the non-coffee-tasting coffee).

And I want to be clear that I'm familiar with the milkshakey items
through free samples.
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martyminor11@yahoo.com
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:53 pm    Post subject: Re: I believe Starbucks is doping their coffee. Reply with quote

vernon wrote:
Quote:
martyminor11@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151642977.777172.204900@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Yes, a coverup of the fact that your original post was about the most
retarded post I have possibly ever witnessed on this group. What the
hell does your "Roasted Coffee DUHHH" post have to do with my post
about Starbucks enhancing the caffeine in their coffee?



Over your tiny head, bigot.

This has to be the best. A religious fanatic calling someone else a
bigot. Like the pot calling the kettle black.

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<authorised_user@earth
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Starbucks is doping their coffee -- ABSURD Reply with quote

Just a thought....maybe what he's observing is too many syrup type drinks
effects on the mostly young folks that SB usually employs. Just youngsters
on a sugar high?
"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Just absurd. noise from a troll . . . .

Like the BS urban legend about worms in McDonald burgers, or thousands
of other ridiculous ideas.

Critical thinking:
1) What would they gain by doing this??
and
2) With their size and visibility, how in hell would they get away with
it??

Let's dump on Starbucks day. boooooring.

Dave

Rex wrote:
I used to think Starbucks employees act oddly. They act rather
territorial, and anxious about customers staying for more than 5
minutes. I asked a friend who works at a Starbucks if such stuff was in
the training. Not at all, he said. But he said, they do get to drink
unlimited amounts of coffee on the job, so I deduced their behavior was
due to too much caffeine.

Then I discovered Starbucks employees in France act the exact same way.
Coincidence? People from a different culture, not prone to
overconsumption of anything who are very skinny, acting in the same way
as though the same brain centers have been activated or enhanced. I
used to assume it was the caffeine, but no longer. People at other
coffee joints don't act like this, not in France, and not to the same
extent in the US.

So I believe the coffee is doped. It must be.

Are there any biology or chemistry students or researchers reading
this? Or anyone in a Master's of Public Health department? You ought to
test it for neurotransmitters. Or other known behavioral drugs. What an
excellent journal article you could write in the interest of public
health.

Put it in the liquid chromatograph or whatever and check it for ten
different things.
Publicize your findings!
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Carmen
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:36 pm    Post subject: Re: I believe Starbucks is doping their coffee. Reply with quote

Kyle wrote:
Quote:
They're certainly goopifying their coffee -- mixing it with slush,
whipped cream, caramel sauce, etc. I don't discern the flavor of
coffee in some of these drinks. Starbucks' beverages are increasingly
less like coffee and more like milkshakes.

It'd be impossible for me to count the number of visits to Starbucks
I've made, and I've yet to have one of the frou-frou drinks. If you
want coffee, order coffee. Likewise with espresso. Don't blame them
if you order a Grande Caramel Frappuccino with Triple Whip (extra syrup
please) and it doesn't taste like coffee. They sell what people order.

Carmen
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Kyle11
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: I believe Starbucks is doping their coffee. Reply with quote

They're certainly goopifying their coffee -- mixing it with slush,
whipped cream, caramel sauce, etc. I don't discern the flavor of
coffee in some of these drinks. Starbucks' beverages are increasingly
less like coffee and more like milkshakes.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: I believe Starbucks is doping their coffee. Reply with quote

<martyminor11@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

vernon wrote:
martyminor11@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151626159.439568.174010@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...

vernon wrote:
Check out Vernon's history. Another Bible Thumper attempting to switch
their communion from wine to coffee.

Marty


Meaning your ignorance can only be covered by pointing to a non-relevant
comment.

Yes, a coverup of the fact that your original post was about the most
retarded post I have possibly ever witnessed on this group. What the
hell does your "Roasted Coffee DUHHH" post have to do with my post
about Starbucks enhancing the caffeine in their coffee?



Over your tiny head, bigot.
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daveb
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:26 pm    Post subject: Starbucks is doping their coffee -- ABSURD Reply with quote

Just absurd. noise from a troll . . . .

Like the BS urban legend about worms in McDonald burgers, or thousands
of other ridiculous ideas.

Critical thinking:
1) What would they gain by doing this??
and
2) With their size and visibility, how in hell would they get away with
it??

Let's dump on Starbucks day. boooooring.

Dave

Rex wrote:
Quote:
I used to think Starbucks employees act oddly. They act rather
territorial, and anxious about customers staying for more than 5
minutes. I asked a friend who works at a Starbucks if such stuff was in
the training. Not at all, he said. But he said, they do get to drink
unlimited amounts of coffee on the job, so I deduced their behavior was
due to too much caffeine.

Then I discovered Starbucks employees in France act the exact same way.
Coincidence? People from a different culture, not prone to
overconsumption of anything who are very skinny, acting in the same way
as though the same brain centers have been activated or enhanced. I
used to assume it was the caffeine, but no longer. People at other
coffee joints don't act like this, not in France, and not to the same
extent in the US.

So I believe the coffee is doped. It must be.

Are there any biology or chemistry students or researchers reading
this? Or anyone in a Master's of Public Health department? You ought to
test it for neurotransmitters. Or other known behavioral drugs. What an
excellent journal article you could write in the interest of public
health.

Put it in the liquid chromatograph or whatever and check it for ten
different things.
Publicize your findings!
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martyminor11@yahoo.com
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:49 am    Post subject: Re: I believe Starbucks is doping their coffee. Reply with quote

vernon wrote:
Quote:
martyminor11@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151626159.439568.174010@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...

vernon wrote:
Check out Vernon's history. Another Bible Thumper attempting to switch
their communion from wine to coffee.

Marty


Meaning your ignorance can only be covered by pointing to a non-relevant
comment.

Yes, a coverup of the fact that your original post was about the most
retarded post I have possibly ever witnessed on this group. What the
hell does your "Roasted Coffee DUHHH" post have to do with my post
about Starbucks enhancing the caffeine in their coffee?

Stick to what you guys do best, and that is scream, yell, and thump
your Bible like the bunch of nutjobs you are.

Marty
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