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Bilge
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:21 am    Post subject: Re: What I hate and what I want Reply with quote

Radium:

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I want the following:

1. The opposite of the second law of thermodynamics
2. Extropy
3. Order
4. Stability
5. Anti-gravity
6. Negative heat
7. Self-sustaining cold-fusion

And I want sunset thomas to deliver my next pizza, but I
don't think posting in a newsgroup is going to help with
this, either.
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jmfbahciv@aol.com
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:15 am    Post subject: Re: What I hate and what I want Reply with quote

In article <1151686685.003023.118600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:
Quote:
I hate the following entities:

1. The second law of thermodynamics
2. Entropy
3. Disorder
4. Chaos
5. Randomness
6. Gravity
7. Heat
8. Coulomb barriers
9. Waste


I want the following:

1. The opposite of the second law of thermodynamics
2. Extropy
3. Order
4. Stability
5. Anti-gravity
6. Negative heat
7. Self-sustaining cold-fusion

Child, life isn't fair; it never was and it never will be.
The other people who live on this world are not here to
please your whimsies.

/BAH
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T Wake
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Entropy is the God of Gods. Reply with quote

"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2006_Jun_30_pZ7h@Cotse.NET...

Once more jeff proves he is incapable of understanding and has to resort to
a Wiki scrape.

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P.S. To hate entroy is to hate yourself,

Nonsense.

Quote:
for 'twas entropy that created everything, inclusing yourself.
Zoom out a bit, and you can see evolution... you're related to apes.

Irrelevant.

Quote:
Zoom out a bit more and you see that you're like a lit match,


Nonsense

Quote:
where consumption ( entropy, dissipation ) creates/destroys all that is.
Entropy is the God of Gods.


Irrelevant nonsense.

Pretty much a typical Relf Post.
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Jeff…Relf
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:51 pm    Post subject: Is evolution irrelevant nonsense too ? Reply with quote

Hi T_Wake, I wrote:

Like a lit match, consumption ( entropy, dissipation )
creates/destroys all that is. Entropy is the God of Gods.

And you replied: Irrelevant nonsense.

Is evolution irrelevant nonsense too ?
Think about your life, zoomed way out, compared to the burning match:

1. Energy was consumed to create the match.
That consumption/dissipation increased the total entropy of the system.
So entropy created the match. Likewise, entropy created you.

2. Someone else ignited it, not you.

3. It spontaneously dissipates energy... same as you.

4. It lives by consuming energy... same as you.

5. The rate at which it consumes energy determins it's lifespan.
In other words, entropy/dissipation destroys the match... same as you.

So...

Like you're God to the mice you raise to feed your snake...
you're God's prisoner and God to your prisoners.
Entropy is the top God because, like a lit match,
consumption ( dissipation/entropy ) creates/destroys _Everything_.
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Eeyore
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Is evolution irrelevant nonsense too ? Reply with quote

JeffRelf wrote:

Quote:
Like you're God

Keep your idiotic deities out of science please !

Graham
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tadchem
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Entropy is the God of Gods. Reply with quote

Jeff...Relf wrote:

Quote:
P.S. To hate entroy is to hate yourself,
for 'twas entropy that created everything, inclusing yourself.
Zoom out a bit, and you can see evolution... you're related to apes.
Zoom out a bit more and you see that you're like a lit match,
where consumption ( entropy, dissipation ) creates/destroys all that is.
Entropy is the God of Gods.

Spoken like a faithful worshipper of Shiva:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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tadchem
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: What I hate and what I want Reply with quote

MadDogR75@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote:
Well I hate taxes, & want a beautiful blonde with poor eyesight & a low
sense of self esteem.
I've probaly got a better shot than you.
MadDog

"I've finally found the perfect girl.
I couldn't ask for more.
She's deaf and dumb and oversexed
And owns a liquor store."
- Dean Martin

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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Phineas T Puddleduck
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Is evolution irrelevant nonsense too ? Reply with quote

In article <Jeff_Relf_2006_Jul_1_FWoD@Cotse.NET>, JeffĶRelf
<Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

Quote:
Hi T_Wake, I wrote:

Like a lit match, consumption ( entropy, dissipation )
creates/destroys all that is. Entropy is the God of Gods.

And you replied: Irrelevant nonsense.

Is evolution irrelevant nonsense too ?
Think about your life, zoomed way out, compared to the burning match:

1. Energy was consumed to create the match.
That consumption/dissipation increased the total entropy of the system.
So entropy created the match. Likewise, entropy created you.

2. Someone else ignited it, not you.

3. It spontaneously dissipates energy... same as you.

4. It lives by consuming energy... same as you.

5. The rate at which it consumes energy determins it's lifespan.
In other words, entropy/dissipation destroys the match... same as you.

So...

Like you're God to the mice you raise to feed your snake...
you're God's prisoner and God to your prisoners.
Entropy is the top God because, like a lit match,
consumption ( dissipation/entropy ) creates/destroys _Everything_.



Blessed are the cheesemakers?

Well yes them, as well as the purveyors of all diary produce...

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T Wake
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Is evolution irrelevant nonsense too ? Reply with quote

"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2006_Jul_1_FWoD@Cotse.NET...
Quote:
Hi T_Wake, I wrote:

Like a lit match, consumption ( entropy, dissipation )
creates/destroys all that is. Entropy is the God of Gods.

And you replied: Irrelevant nonsense.

Is evolution irrelevant nonsense too ?

No. Evolution has nothing to do with your post. What you have here, Jeff, is
a string of logical fallacies. You need to try and keep up.


Quote:
Like you're God to the mice you raise to feed your snake...
you're God's prisoner and God to your prisoners.

Philosophical nonsense that is irrelevant to the thread, and to
news://sci.physics in general.

Quote:
Entropy is the top God because, like a lit match,
consumption ( dissipation/entropy ) creates/destroys _Everything_.

You truly are warped.
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Ben Rudiak-Gould
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: What I hate and what I want Reply with quote

Radium wrote:
Quote:
I hate the following entities:

[...]
4. Chaos

Hey, don't dis chaos. It rules.

Quote:
8. Coulomb barriers

How can you hate Coulomb barriers? It's like hating electrons.

Quote:
I want the following:

1. The opposite of the second law of thermodynamics

You mean, entropy never increases? How do you know that's not what we've got
now?

Quote:
2. Extropy

Negentropy?

Quote:
3. Order
4. Stability

Trains that run on time?

Quote:
5. Anti-gravity

Hardly seems an improvement. How about levity?

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6. Negative heat

Would you settle for negative temperature?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_temperature

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7. Self-sustaining cold-fusion

Personally I hope water is never found to be unstable. I seem to recall
hearing that before the Trinity test, a few physicists worried that the
explosion would trigger a self-sustaining reaction that would burn away the
Earth's atmosphere. Fortunately these days we only have to worry about
strangelets.

-- Ben (writing from a cafe near Trinity College, Dublin)
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Evgenij Barsukov
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: What I hate and what I want Reply with quote

Radium wrote:
Quote:
I hate the following entities:

1. The second law of thermodynamics 2. Entropy 3. Disorder 4. Chaos
5. Randomness 6. Gravity 7. Heat 8. Coulomb barriers 9. Waste


I want the following:

1. The opposite of the second law of thermodynamics 2. Extropy 3.
Order 4. Stability 5. Anti-gravity 6. Negative heat 7.
Self-sustaining cold-fusion


The only reason Life exist is to accelerate increase
of entropy. Life is a kind of catalyst which
is thermodynamically stable only in presence of
catalyzed reaction.
Catalysis is acceleration of entropy increase.

So if you don't like second life of thermodynamics,
you don't life the very reason you exist.

Regards,
Evgenij
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Evgenij Barsukov
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Is evolution irrelevant nonsense too ? Reply with quote

Jeff…Relf wrote:
Quote:
Hi T_Wake, I wrote:

Like a lit match, consumption ( entropy, dissipation )
creates/destroys all that is. Entropy is the God of Gods.

And you replied: Irrelevant nonsense.

Is evolution irrelevant nonsense too ?
Think about your life, zoomed way out, compared to the burning match:

1. Energy was consumed to create the match.
That consumption/dissipation increased the total entropy of the system.
So entropy created the match. Likewise, entropy created you.

2. Someone else ignited it, not you.

3. It spontaneously dissipates energy... same as you.

4. It lives by consuming energy... same as you.

5. The rate at which it consumes energy determins it's lifespan.
In other words, entropy/dissipation destroys the match... same as you.

So...

Like you're God to the mice you raise to feed your snake...
you're God's prisoner and God to your prisoners.
Entropy is the top God because, like a lit match,
consumption ( dissipation/entropy ) creates/destroys _Everything_.

Strictly speaking entropy is a rather higher level concept
compared to spontaneous random creation / disappearance of things
itself.
Concept of entropy is produced by statistical treatment of the later.
So it by itself is not the God you are talking about, but just
a mathematical model thereof.

Regarding purely mathematical background mechanism of spontaneous
creation see this compact article:
http://sudy_zhenja.tripod.com/something_out_of_nothing.html

See also article about thermodynamical nature of Life
related to this discussion:
http://sudy_zhenja.tripod.com/evg_life_definition.html

Regards,
Evgenij
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Jeff…Relf
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:03 pm    Post subject: Gravity/Entropy ( accumulation/dissipation, consumption ) Reply with quote

Hi Eeyore, Gravity/Entropy ( accumulation/dissipation, consumption )
creates/destroys/controls everything, including you.
While that's definitely God-like, in my opinion,
....it has nothing to do with traditional Gods.
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Phineas T Puddleduck
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Gravity/Entropy ( accumulation/dissipation, consumption ) Reply with quote

In article <Jeff_Relf_2006_Jul_1_QATI@Cotse.NET>, JeffĶRelf
<Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

Quote:
Hi Eeyore, Gravity/Entropy ( accumulation/dissipation, consumption )
creates/destroys/controls everything, including you.
While that's definitely God-like, in my opinion,
...it has nothing to do with traditional Gods.


Thank you. alt.pointless.opinions is over there ...-

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tadchem
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:32 pm    Post subject: Re: What I hate and what I want Reply with quote

Evgenij Barsukov wrote:

Quote:
The only reason Life exist is...

Implicit in making such a statement is the assumption that life exists
as the result of an act of reason.

This assumption has never been empirically established.

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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