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muser
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:28 am    Post subject: Re: Particles bombarding earth's atomsphere Reply with quote

PD wrote:
Quote:
muser wrote:
PD wrote:
muser wrote:
PD wrote:
muser wrote:
PD wrote:
muser wrote:
I read recently about the discovery of a particle with a 50eV charge

50 eV is an energy, not a charge, and not much energy to boot.
Might be good to recheck the reading to find out what it really said.

hitting the earth's atomsphere. Can anyone provide a link to where this
is being studied. If such particles come from quasars or supernovas,
how are they able to retain so much of their energy?

Why would they lose energy? Things generally don't lose energy unless
something else acts to take it away -- e.g. friction.

And if they lose
energy are there any reasonable assumptions as to how much charge they
originally possessed.

I gave an arbitrary figure for the eV. 1TeV would have been excessive.
These particles must come into contact with other celestial
bodies\particles where there will be loses in energy. Google searches
have prove fruitless on this topic.

OK, let me see if I have this right. You don't remember what you read,
so you made up a number rather than looking it up. You don't know
whether eV measures charge or energy. You assume that everything MUST
encounter celestial particles and lose energy in that process. Have you
considered reading something other than the internet?

If you can't answer the question why not ignore my post, simple!

That's why I responded to your post, to clarify your question. When I
found out that you had no idea what you were asking, I pointed that
out.


PD

This is actually what I was looking for. There is even a principle
backing what I wrote in my original post. Link
http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlkop/cosray.html

OK, so what's your question?

PD

It has been answered. I shouldn't have confused charge with energy,
replace charge with energy in my original post and there is the
question.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Particles bombarding earth's atomsphere Reply with quote

muser wrote:
Quote:
PD wrote:
muser wrote:
PD wrote:
muser wrote:
PD wrote:
muser wrote:
I read recently about the discovery of a particle with a 50eV charge

50 eV is an energy, not a charge, and not much energy to boot.
Might be good to recheck the reading to find out what it really said.

hitting the earth's atomsphere. Can anyone provide a link to where this
is being studied. If such particles come from quasars or supernovas,
how are they able to retain so much of their energy?

Why would they lose energy? Things generally don't lose energy unless
something else acts to take it away -- e.g. friction.

And if they lose
energy are there any reasonable assumptions as to how much charge they
originally possessed.

I gave an arbitrary figure for the eV. 1TeV would have been excessive.
These particles must come into contact with other celestial
bodies\particles where there will be loses in energy. Google searches
have prove fruitless on this topic.

OK, let me see if I have this right. You don't remember what you read,
so you made up a number rather than looking it up. You don't know
whether eV measures charge or energy. You assume that everything MUST
encounter celestial particles and lose energy in that process. Have you
considered reading something other than the internet?

If you can't answer the question why not ignore my post, simple!

That's why I responded to your post, to clarify your question. When I
found out that you had no idea what you were asking, I pointed that
out.


PD

This is actually what I was looking for. There is even a principle
backing what I wrote in my original post. Link
http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlkop/cosray.html

OK, so what's your question?

PD
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muser
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Particles bombarding earth's atomsphere Reply with quote

PD wrote:
Quote:
muser wrote:
PD wrote:
muser wrote:
PD wrote:
muser wrote:
I read recently about the discovery of a particle with a 50eV charge

50 eV is an energy, not a charge, and not much energy to boot.
Might be good to recheck the reading to find out what it really said.

hitting the earth's atomsphere. Can anyone provide a link to where this
is being studied. If such particles come from quasars or supernovas,
how are they able to retain so much of their energy?

Why would they lose energy? Things generally don't lose energy unless
something else acts to take it away -- e.g. friction.

And if they lose
energy are there any reasonable assumptions as to how much charge they
originally possessed.

I gave an arbitrary figure for the eV. 1TeV would have been excessive.
These particles must come into contact with other celestial
bodies\particles where there will be loses in energy. Google searches
have prove fruitless on this topic.

OK, let me see if I have this right. You don't remember what you read,
so you made up a number rather than looking it up. You don't know
whether eV measures charge or energy. You assume that everything MUST
encounter celestial particles and lose energy in that process. Have you
considered reading something other than the internet?

If you can't answer the question why not ignore my post, simple!

That's why I responded to your post, to clarify your question. When I
found out that you had no idea what you were asking, I pointed that
out.


PD

This is actually what I was looking for. There is even a principle
backing what I wrote in my original post. Link
http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlkop/cosray.html
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Particles bombarding earth's atomsphere Reply with quote

muser wrote:
Quote:
PD wrote:
muser wrote:
PD wrote:
muser wrote:
I read recently about the discovery of a particle with a 50eV charge

50 eV is an energy, not a charge, and not much energy to boot.
Might be good to recheck the reading to find out what it really said.

hitting the earth's atomsphere. Can anyone provide a link to where this
is being studied. If such particles come from quasars or supernovas,
how are they able to retain so much of their energy?

Why would they lose energy? Things generally don't lose energy unless
something else acts to take it away -- e.g. friction.

And if they lose
energy are there any reasonable assumptions as to how much charge they
originally possessed.

I gave an arbitrary figure for the eV. 1TeV would have been excessive.
These particles must come into contact with other celestial
bodies\particles where there will be loses in energy. Google searches
have prove fruitless on this topic.

OK, let me see if I have this right. You don't remember what you read,
so you made up a number rather than looking it up. You don't know
whether eV measures charge or energy. You assume that everything MUST
encounter celestial particles and lose energy in that process. Have you
considered reading something other than the internet?

If you can't answer the question why not ignore my post, simple!

That's why I responded to your post, to clarify your question. When I
found out that you had no idea what you were asking, I pointed that
out.

Quote:

PD
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Phineas T Puddleduck
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Particles bombarding earth's atomsphere Reply with quote

On 8/7/06 09:54, in article
1152348856.458582.11070@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "muser"
<charlie12345@hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

PD wrote:
muser wrote:
PD wrote:
muser wrote:
I read recently about the discovery of a particle with a 50eV charge

50 eV is an energy, not a charge, and not much energy to boot.
Might be good to recheck the reading to find out what it really said.

hitting the earth's atomsphere. Can anyone provide a link to where this
is being studied. If such particles come from quasars or supernovas,
how are they able to retain so much of their energy?

Why would they lose energy? Things generally don't lose energy unless
something else acts to take it away -- e.g. friction.

And if they lose
energy are there any reasonable assumptions as to how much charge they
originally possessed.

I gave an arbitrary figure for the eV. 1TeV would have been excessive.
These particles must come into contact with other celestial
bodies\particles where there will be loses in energy. Google searches
have prove fruitless on this topic.

OK, let me see if I have this right. You don't remember what you read,
so you made up a number rather than looking it up. You don't know
whether eV measures charge or energy. You assume that everything MUST
encounter celestial particles and lose energy in that process. Have you
considered reading something other than the internet?

If you can't answer the question why not ignore my post, simple!

PD


You DON'T have a question

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muser
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: Particles bombarding earth's atomsphere Reply with quote

PD wrote:
Quote:
muser wrote:
PD wrote:
muser wrote:
I read recently about the discovery of a particle with a 50eV charge

50 eV is an energy, not a charge, and not much energy to boot.
Might be good to recheck the reading to find out what it really said.

hitting the earth's atomsphere. Can anyone provide a link to where this
is being studied. If such particles come from quasars or supernovas,
how are they able to retain so much of their energy?

Why would they lose energy? Things generally don't lose energy unless
something else acts to take it away -- e.g. friction.

And if they lose
energy are there any reasonable assumptions as to how much charge they
originally possessed.

I gave an arbitrary figure for the eV. 1TeV would have been excessive.
These particles must come into contact with other celestial
bodies\particles where there will be loses in energy. Google searches
have prove fruitless on this topic.

OK, let me see if I have this right. You don't remember what you read,
so you made up a number rather than looking it up. You don't know
whether eV measures charge or energy. You assume that everything MUST
encounter celestial particles and lose energy in that process. Have you
considered reading something other than the internet?

If you can't answer the question why not ignore my post, simple!
Quote:

PD
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muser
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: Particles bombarding earth's atomsphere Reply with quote

PD wrote:
Quote:
muser wrote:
PD wrote:
muser wrote:
I read recently about the discovery of a particle with a 50eV charge

50 eV is an energy, not a charge, and not much energy to boot.
Might be good to recheck the reading to find out what it really said.

hitting the earth's atomsphere. Can anyone provide a link to where this
is being studied. If such particles come from quasars or supernovas,
how are they able to retain so much of their energy?

Why would they lose energy? Things generally don't lose energy unless
something else acts to take it away -- e.g. friction.

And if they lose
energy are there any reasonable assumptions as to how much charge they
originally possessed.

I gave an arbitrary figure for the eV. 1TeV would have been excessive.
These particles must come into contact with other celestial
bodies\particles where there will be loses in energy. Google searches
have prove fruitless on this topic.

OK, let me see if I have this right. You don't remember what you read,
so you made up a number rather than looking it up. You don't know
whether eV measures charge or energy. You assume that everything MUST
encounter celestial particles and lose energy in that process. Have you
considered reading something other than the internet?

If you can't answer the question why not ignore my post, simple!
Quote:

PD
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Particles bombarding earth's atomsphere Reply with quote

muser wrote:
Quote:
PD wrote:
muser wrote:
I read recently about the discovery of a particle with a 50eV charge

50 eV is an energy, not a charge, and not much energy to boot.
Might be good to recheck the reading to find out what it really said.

hitting the earth's atomsphere. Can anyone provide a link to where this
is being studied. If such particles come from quasars or supernovas,
how are they able to retain so much of their energy?

Why would they lose energy? Things generally don't lose energy unless
something else acts to take it away -- e.g. friction.

And if they lose
energy are there any reasonable assumptions as to how much charge they
originally possessed.

I gave an arbitrary figure for the eV. 1TeV would have been excessive.
These particles must come into contact with other celestial
bodies\particles where there will be loses in energy. Google searches
have prove fruitless on this topic.

OK, let me see if I have this right. You don't remember what you read,
so you made up a number rather than looking it up. You don't know
whether eV measures charge or energy. You assume that everything MUST
encounter celestial particles and lose energy in that process. Have you
considered reading something other than the internet?

PD
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:43 am    Post subject: Re: Particles bombarding earth's atomsphere Reply with quote

PD wrote:
Quote:
muser wrote:
I read recently about the discovery of a particle with a 50eV charge

50 eV is an energy, not a charge, and not much energy to boot.
Might be good to recheck the reading to find out what it really said.

hitting the earth's atomsphere. Can anyone provide a link to where this
is being studied. If such particles come from quasars or supernovas,
how are they able to retain so much of their energy?

Why would they lose energy? Things generally don't lose energy unless
something else acts to take it away -- e.g. friction.

And if they lose
energy are there any reasonable assumptions as to how much charge they
originally possessed.

I gave an arbitrary figure for the eV. 1TeV would have been excessive.
These particles must come into contact with other celestial
bodies\particles where there will be loses in energy. Google searches
have prove fruitless on this topic.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Particles bombarding earth's atomsphere Reply with quote

muser wrote:
Quote:
I read recently about the discovery of a particle with a 50eV charge

50 eV is an energy, not a charge, and not much energy to boot.
Might be good to recheck the reading to find out what it really said.

Quote:
hitting the earth's atomsphere. Can anyone provide a link to where this
is being studied. If such particles come from quasars or supernovas,
how are they able to retain so much of their energy?

Why would they lose energy? Things generally don't lose energy unless
something else acts to take it away -- e.g. friction.

Quote:
And if they lose
energy are there any reasonable assumptions as to how much charge they
originally possessed.
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Phineas T Puddleduck
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Particles bombarding earth's atomsphere Reply with quote

In article <1152095642.565658.169940@l70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
muser <charlie12345@hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
I read recently about the discovery of a particle with a 50eV charge
hitting the earth's atomsphere. Can anyone provide a link to where this
is being studied. If such particles come from quasars or supernovas,
how are they able to retain so much of their energy? And if they lose
energy are there any reasonable assumptions as to how much charge they
originally possessed.


Why would they lose charge?

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Relf's Law? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
"Bullshit repeated to the limit of infinity asymptotically approaches
the odour of roses."
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Jaffa cakes. Sweet delicious orangey jaffa goodness, and an abject lesson why
parroting information from the web will not teach you cosmology.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Official emperor of sci.physics, head mumbler of the "Cult of INSANE SCIENCE".
Please pay no attention to my butt poking forward, it is expanding.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
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"Puddlefuck tou are on my kill file. Good bye" - Vert admits he cannot
calculate \gamma for a photon and admits defeat - 2nd July 2006
PWNED
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:34 am    Post subject: Particles bombarding earth's atomsphere Reply with quote

I read recently about the discovery of a particle with a 50eV charge
hitting the earth's atomsphere. Can anyone provide a link to where this
is being studied. If such particles come from quasars or supernovas,
how are they able to retain so much of their energy? And if they lose
energy are there any reasonable assumptions as to how much charge they
originally possessed.
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