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kenseto
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure. Reply with quote

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kenseto wrote:
Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure.
This simple assertion is the basis of all what's wrong with SR. It gives
rise to the bogus concept of time dilation and length contraction.

The correct statement is as follows: Time is absolute. A clock second
will
contain a different amount of absolute time in a different state of
absolute
motion (different frame) of the clock. The existence of absolute time is
the
reason why all observer measure the speed of light to be a constant math
ratio of c as follows:
c=light path length of physical ruler(299,792,458m)/the absolute time
content for a clock second co-moving with the ruler.

This new defintion for the speed of light gives rise to a new theory of
relativity called Improved Relativity Theory (IRT). IRT includes SRT as
a
subset.

Your theory cannot possibly be an improved version of relativity
because your theory is clearly absolutistic, not relativistic. For a
theory to be relativistic, the theory must treat all (local) inertial
frames as completely identical for all theoretical purposes in the
treatment of physical laws.

Clearly you don't know what you are talking about. You reach the above
conclusion without reading my theory. The postulates of my theory IRT are as
follows:
1. The laws of physics based on a clock second and a light-second to measure
length are the same for all observers in all inertial reference frames.
2. The speed of light in free space based on a clock second and a
light-second to measure length has the same mathematical ratio c in all
directions and all inertial frames.
3. The laws of physics based on a defined absolute second and the physical
length of a rod is different in different frames of reference.
4. The one-way speed of light in free space based on a defined absolute
second and the physical length of a measuring rod has a different
mathematical ratio for light speed in different inertial frames. The speed
of light based on a defined absolute second and the physical length of a
measuring rod is a maximum in the rest frame of the E-Matrix.

The first two postulates of IRT are identical to the postulates of SRT and
that's why SRT is a subset of IRT.

Ken Seto
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Sam Wormley
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure. Reply with quote

kenseto wrote:
Quote:

..there is no such thing as time dilation. The emperical data merely
show that the relative clocks are running at different rates due to the
clock second in different frames contains a different amount of absolute
time. The emperical data does not show physical length contraction. It shows
that the light path length of a moving rod can be shorter or longer than the
light path length of the observer's rod.


SR is a subset of "your model" according to you, Seto, and it definitely
predicts time dilation, which has been confirmed in countless experiments
and observations, including satellite based navigation systems.

SR predicts that time and space are malleable. In fact, there has never
been a prediction of SR that was contradicted by an observation.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure. Reply with quote

kenseto wrote:
Quote:
"tomgee" <tyropress@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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kenseto wrote:
Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure.
This simple assertion is the basis of all what's wrong with SR. It gives
rise to the bogus concept of time dilation and length contraction.

Then, if it is a subset of your theory, doesn't that make your
theory wrong too? That queston has already been asked of
you, but I have not seen your answer to it.

The correct statement is as follows: Time is absolute.

Not so. Time is a dimension - a property of the universe. As
such, it cannot be an absolute anything in either the common
or scientific sense of the term "absolute", because as a
property, it is not a fundamental thing. You can claim it is all
you want to, but until you can explain how you can claim it is
an absolute, you are just stating your unsupported opinion
which I refute with my arguments above.

ROTFLOL.....so your assertion becomes proof? BTW I am still waiting for you
to sue me for using your idea on *time*.

I did not say my idea was "proof". I said my idea is supported

by my arguments, but your idea is not. You cannot explain
several of your posited tenets even though readers have asked
you for that over and over. You either don't have the vocabulary
skills needed to do that or you don't have an answer for those
questions. Either way, you cannot properly defend your theory.
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AllYou!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure. Reply with quote

"tomgee" <tyropress@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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kenseto wrote:
"tomgee" <tyropress@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1152478989.504262.309480@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...

kenseto wrote:
Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure.
This simple assertion is the basis of all what's wrong with SR.
It gives
rise to the bogus concept of time dilation and length
contraction.

Then, if it is a subset of your theory, doesn't that make your
theory wrong too? That queston has already been asked of
you, but I have not seen your answer to it.

The correct statement is as follows: Time is absolute.

Not so. Time is a dimension - a property of the universe. As
such, it cannot be an absolute anything in either the common
or scientific sense of the term "absolute", because as a
property, it is not a fundamental thing. You can claim it is all
you want to, but until you can explain how you can claim it is
an absolute, you are just stating your unsupported opinion
which I refute with my arguments above.

ROTFLOL.....so your assertion becomes proof? BTW I am still waiting
for you
to sue me for using your idea on *time*.

I did not say my idea was "proof". I said my idea is supported
by my arguments, but your idea is not. You cannot explain
several of your posited tenets even though readers have asked
you for that over and over.

That describes you too!


Quote:
You either don't have the vocabulary
skills needed to do that or you don't have an answer for those
questions.

Again, that's you!



Quote:
Either way, you cannot properly defend your theory.

And an unsupported opinion to boot!
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rotchm@gmail.com
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure. Reply with quote

Quote:
The GT isn't consistent with the concept of a speed limit. No viable
ether theory incorporates it.

GT says nothing about a speed limit. It is neither consistent nor
inconsistent with a speed limit. Speed limit must be assumed if relying
only on GT. LT says that there is a speed limit due to construction.

But, Maxwell eq. imply speed limit. There are ether theories (field eq.
theories) which imply speed limits, length & time contractions etc..
all based on GT.

These two theories (ether's ans SR), although have different
postulates, are 'equivalent' and empirically identical..(almost?).
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject: Dick Head Ken Seto and his ST (s**t Theory) Reply with quote

kenseto wrote:
Quote:
surrealistic-dream@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152541355.578278.198590@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...

kenseto wrote:
Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure.
This simple assertion is the basis of all what's wrong with SR. It gives
rise to the bogus concept of time dilation and length contraction.

The correct statement is as follows: Time is absolute. A clock second
will
contain a different amount of absolute time in a different state of
absolute
motion (different frame) of the clock. The existence of absolute time is
the
reason why all observer measure the speed of light to be a constant math
ratio of c as follows:
c=light path length of physical ruler(299,792,458m)/the absolute time
content for a clock second co-moving with the ruler.

This new defintion for the speed of light gives rise to a new theory of
relativity called Improved Relativity Theory (IRT). IRT includes SRT as
a
subset.

Your theory cannot possibly be an improved version of relativity
because your theory is clearly absolutistic, not relativistic. For a
theory to be relativistic, the theory must treat all (local) inertial
frames as completely identical for all theoretical purposes in the
treatment of physical laws.

Clearly you don't know what you are talking about. You reach the above
conclusion without reading my theory. The postulates of my theory IRT are as
follows:
1. The laws of physics based on a clock second and a light-second to measure
length are the same for all observers in all inertial reference frames.
2. The speed of light in free space based on a clock second and a
light-second to measure length has the same mathematical ratio c in all
directions and all inertial frames.
3. The laws of physics based on a defined absolute second and the physical
length of a rod is different in different frames of reference.
4. The one-way speed of light in free space based on a defined absolute
second and the physical length of a measuring rod has a different
mathematical ratio for light speed in different inertial frames. The speed
of light based on a defined absolute second and the physical length of a
measuring rod is a maximum in the rest frame of the E-Matrix.

The first two postulates of IRT are identical to the postulates of SRT and
that's why SRT is a subset of IRT.

Ken Seto


I didn't snip this one because it is perfect for the Immortal Fumbles.

Cretinoid, your IRt has 4 postulates, SR has 2 , how can SR be a subset
of your theory. Disgusting Imbecile!
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kenseto
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure. Reply with quote

"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
kenseto wrote:

..there is no such thing as time dilation. The emperical data merely
show that the relative clocks are running at different rates due to the
clock second in different frames contains a different amount of absolute
time. The emperical data does not show physical length contraction. It
shows
that the light path length of a moving rod can be shorter or longer than
the
light path length of the observer's rod.


SR is a subset of "your model" according to you, Seto, and it
definitely
predicts time dilation, which has been confirmed in countless
experiments
and observations, including satellite based navigation systems.

Hey idiot runt......the SR time dilation is merely a clcok second in the
moving frame contains a larger amount of absolute time.

Ken Seto
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Sam Wormley
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure. Reply with quote

kenseto wrote:

Quote:

Hey idiot runt......the SR time dilation is merely a clcok second in the
moving frame contains a larger amount of absolute time.

Ken Seto



SR is a subset of "your model" according to you, Seto, and it definitely
predicts time dilation, which has been confirmed in countless experiments
and observations, including satellite based navigation systems.

SR predicts that time and space are malleable. In fact, there has never
been a prediction of SR that was contradicted by an observation.
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Sam Wormley
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure. Reply with quote

kenseto wrote:

Quote:
The first two postulates of IRT are identical to the postulates of SRT and
that's why SRT is a subset of IRT.

Ken Seto



SR is a subset of "your model" according to you, Seto, and it definitely
predicts time dilation, which has been confirmed in countless experiments
and observations, including satellite based navigation systems.

SR predicts that time and space are malleable. In fact, there has never
been a prediction of SR that was contradicted by an observation.
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kenseto
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure. Reply with quote

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Quote:
kenseto wrote:

The first two postulates of IRT are identical to the postulates of SRT
and
that's why SRT is a subset of IRT.

Ken Seto



SR is a subset of "your model" according to you, Seto, and it
definitely
predicts time dilation, which has been confirmed in countless
experiments
and observations, including satellite based navigation systems.

SR didn't predict time dilation. It predicted relative clocks are running at
different rates and you runts interpret that as time dilation.

Ken Seto
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kenseto
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure. Reply with quote

"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
kenseto wrote:


Hey idiot runt......the SR time dilation is merely a clcok second in the
moving frame contains a larger amount of absolute time.

Ken Seto



SR is a subset of "your model" according to you, Seto, and it
definitely
predicts time dilation, which has been confirmed in countless
experiments
and observations, including satellite based navigation systems.

SR didn't predict time dilation. It predicted relative clocks are running at
different rates and you runts interpret that as time dilation.

Ken Seto
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Sam Wormley
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure. Reply with quote

kenseto wrote:

Quote:
SR didn't predict time dilation. It predicted relative clocks are running at
different rates and you runts interpret that as time dilation.

Ken Seto




Oh, but SR does predict time dilation for any entity in relative motion
to an observer.

t' = t_0/gamma, where gamma = (1-v^2/c^2)^-0.5 with v being the

relative velocity and c being the speed of light. Not only is it
routinely observed in nature, but it is necessary to take it into
account in numerous devices in our lives.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:54 pm    Post subject: s**t for Brains Ken Seto Reply with quote

..
Quote:

SR didn't predict time dilation. It predicted relative clocks are running at
different rates and you runts interpret that as time dilation.

Ken Seto

Umm, no f*** face. Eistein showed the transverse Doppler effect, one of
the purest forms of time dilation in his 1905 paper, m**********r!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure. Reply with quote

"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
kenseto wrote:

SR didn't predict time dilation. It predicted relative clocks are
running at
different rates and you runts interpret that as time dilation.

Ken Seto




Oh, but SR does predict time dilation for any entity in relative motion
to an observer.

t' = t_0/gamma, where gamma = (1-v^2/c^2)^-0.5 with v being the

relative velocity and c being the speed of light. Not only is it
routinely observed in nature, but it is necessary to take it into
account in numerous devices in our lives.

Hey idiot....that's not time dilation. That's the observed clock is running
at a slower rate compared to the observer's clcok.

Ken Seto
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Sam Wormley
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:13 am    Post subject: Re: Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure. Reply with quote

kenseto wrote:
Quote:
"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:tLBsg.73423$1i1.52041@attbi_s72...

kenseto wrote:


SR didn't predict time dilation. It predicted relative clocks are

running at

different rates and you runts interpret that as time dilation.

Ken Seto




Oh, but SR does predict time dilation for any entity in relative motion
to an observer.

t' = t_0/gamma, where gamma = (1-v^2/c^2)^-0.5 with v being the

relative velocity and c being the speed of light. Not only is it
routinely observed in nature, but it is necessary to take it into
account in numerous devices in our lives.


Hey idiot....that's not time dilation. That's the observed clock is running
at a slower rate compared to the observer's clcok.

Ken Seto




Yes sir--Time dilation has the effect of making the observed clock run
slower than the observer's clock--You don't have to be an idiot to
notice that!
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