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tomgee1
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure. Reply with quote

kenseto wrote:
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Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure.
This simple assertion is the basis of all what's wrong with SR. It gives
rise to the bogus concept of time dilation and length contraction.

Then, if it is a subset of your theory, doesn't that make your

theory wrong too? That queston has already been asked of
you, but I have not seen your answer to it.
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The correct statement is as follows: Time is absolute.

Not so. Time is a dimension - a property of the universe. As

such, it cannot be an absolute anything in either the common
or scientific sense of the term "absolute", because as a
property, it is not a fundamental thing. You can claim it is all
you want to, but until you can explain how you can claim it is
an absolute, you are just stating your unsupported opinion
which I refute with my arguments above.
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A clock second will
contain a different amount of absolute time in a different state of absolute
motion (different frame) of the clock.

That is a possibility, since that is one way to explain the time

dilation effect, but it can also be that the rate of the passage
of time varies for objects in different states of abs. motion.
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jambaugh
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure. Reply with quote

kenseto wrote:
Quote:
Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure.
This simple assertion is the basis of all what's wrong with SR. It gives
rise to the bogus concept of time dilation and length contraction.

These "bogus concepts" are indeed misleading. But understand that they
resulted from the empirical data in the Michelson-Morley experiment and
the prior aether based theory which SR supplanted. It was supposed
that movement through the aether must slow clocks and shorten measuring
rods in just such a way as to prevent the speed through the aether from
actually being measurable. Einstein then relativized time and
eliminated the need to invoke the aether.

But his statement, which you quoted, is incontrovertible as it is not a
"scientific theory" but rather an invocation of the very definition of
science (i.e. that science talks about what we can observe and
measure). You may invoke an "absolute time" or some other metaphysical
assertion such as "god" or "djins" but until you explain how such can
be empirically determined you are not refering to a scientific
theory/definition. You are in fact preaching a religious belief.

With regard to your pet theories, your inability to comprehend the
point I made above make me suspicious of any merit in them so I will
not waste time reading them. You can place them atop the compost pile
of other "disproofs of Einstein" which kooks post here weekly.

Oh, by the way, Einstein's special relativity is also (locally) valid
in the presence of gravitation.

Regards,
James
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Sam Wormley
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure. Reply with quote

kenseto wrote:
Quote:
Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure.
This simple assertion is the basis of all what's wrong with SR. It gives
rise to the bogus concept of time dilation and length contraction.


Those things aren't bogus, but measured.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:17 pm    Post subject: ken seto, a cretin with a theory on geocities Reply with quote

ken seto the MAJOR CRETIN wrote:
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kenseto
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:52 pm    Post subject: Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure. Reply with quote

Einstein said: Time is what the clock measure.
This simple assertion is the basis of all what's wrong with SR. It gives
rise to the bogus concept of time dilation and length contraction.

The correct statement is as follows: Time is absolute. A clock second will
contain a different amount of absolute time in a different state of absolute
motion (different frame) of the clock. The existence of absolute time is the
reason why all observer measure the speed of light to be a constant math
ratio of c as follows:
c=light path length of physical ruler(299,792,458m)/the absolute time
content for a clock second co-moving with the ruler.

This new defintion for the speed of light gives rise to a new theory of
relativity called Improved Relativity Theory (IRT). IRT includes SRT as a
subset. However, unlike SRT, the equations of IRT are valid in all
environments, including gravity. A description of IRT is in the following
link (page 4):
http://www.geocities.com/kn_seto/2005Unification.pdf

Ken Seto
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