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FrediFizzx
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:25 am    Post subject: Re: Higgs boson revisited Reply with quote

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FrediFizzx wrote:
"muser" <charlie12345@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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muser wrote:
I just saw this post archived
news:f144e162.0411030902.601e5065@posting.google.com.
I only know rudimentary physics, though I find the higgs boson
fascinating, the reply to the poster I felt was unsatisfactory
as
the
original post was asking whether the higgs boson could (if
found) be
used to alter higgs field, not enrich our knowledge of the
quantum
vacuum.
Would the graviton be available once the higgs boson is found.
How
many
models of the graviton are their in QFT.

Here is a link for the higgs boson
http://www.phy.uct.ac.za/courses/phy400w/particle/higgs.htm

The Higgs field is a composite and it is doubtful that an elementary
H
boson will be found.

Quantum Vacuum Charge rules, baby!

What is the mechanism that propogates gravity? Surely the graviton,
and
what field governs the permeatiblity of gravity, the higgs field I'm
lead to believe. If the higgs field is made up of various parts then
what exactly are these constitute parts. The "zerton"? (in the paper
provide) If Higgs is wrong in saying that mass is dictated by this
field then the higgs field must exist if by another name.

The basic concept behind the Higgs field is probably right. I just
don't think there is an elementary Higgs boson. To me it looks like it
has to be a composite. Our zerton is just one cell of a heavily
modified Dirac-like Sea scenario. And the zerton is a composite of many
different "less than virtual" fermionic pairs. So there mostly likely
is a Higgs-like field of some kind. To better know the mechanism of
gravity, it requires us to have a better understanding of the mechanism
of mass. Which we really don't have yet. I think by the time we get to
Super-GR we will have a better understanding of these mechanisms.

FrediFizzx

Quantum Vacuum Charge papers;
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
http://www.vacuum-physics.com
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muser
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Higgs boson revisited Reply with quote

FrediFizzx wrote:
Quote:
"muser" <charlie12345@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152643193.862871.262750@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

muser wrote:
I just saw this post archived
news:f144e162.0411030902.601e5065@posting.google.com.
I only know rudimentary physics, though I find the higgs boson
fascinating, the reply to the poster I felt was unsatisfactory as
the
original post was asking whether the higgs boson could (if found) be
used to alter higgs field, not enrich our knowledge of the quantum
vacuum.
Would the graviton be available once the higgs boson is found. How
many
models of the graviton are their in QFT.

Here is a link for the higgs boson
http://www.phy.uct.ac.za/courses/phy400w/particle/higgs.htm

The Higgs field is a composite and it is doubtful that an elementary H
boson will be found.

Quantum Vacuum Charge rules, baby!

FrediFizzx

Quantum Vacuum Charge papers;
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
http://www.vacuum-physics.com

What is the mechanism that propogates gravity? Surely the graviton, and
what field governs the permeatiblity of gravity, the higgs field I'm
lead to believe. If the higgs field is made up of various parts then
what exactly are these constitute parts. The "zerton"? (in the paper
provide) If Higgs is wrong in saying that mass is dictated by this
field then the higgs field must exist if by another name.
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Jeff1
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Posts: 55

PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Higgs boson revisited Reply with quote

FrediFizzx wrote:
Quote:
"muser" <charlie12345@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152643193.862871.262750@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

muser wrote:
I just saw this post archived
news:f144e162.0411030902.601e5065@posting.google.com.
I only know rudimentary physics, though I find the higgs boson
fascinating, the reply to the poster I felt was unsatisfactory as
the
original post was asking whether the higgs boson could (if found) be
used to alter higgs field, not enrich our knowledge of the quantum
vacuum.
Would the graviton be available once the higgs boson is found. How
many
models of the graviton are their in QFT.

Here is a link for the higgs boson
http://www.phy.uct.ac.za/courses/phy400w/particle/higgs.htm

The Higgs field is a composite and it is doubtful that an elementary H
boson will be found.

Quantum Vacuum Charge rules, baby!

FrediFizzx

Quantum Vacuum Charge papers;
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
http://www.vacuum-physics.com


Quote:


It's just a "Higgment" of their imagination.

all the best,

J. Lee CENTER for REALITY PHYSICS
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FrediFizzx
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:46 am    Post subject: Re: Higgs boson revisited Reply with quote

"muser" <charlie12345@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152643193.862871.262750@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Quote:

muser wrote:
I just saw this post archived
news:f144e162.0411030902.601e5065@posting.google.com.
I only know rudimentary physics, though I find the higgs boson
fascinating, the reply to the poster I felt was unsatisfactory as
the
original post was asking whether the higgs boson could (if found) be
used to alter higgs field, not enrich our knowledge of the quantum
vacuum.
Would the graviton be available once the higgs boson is found. How
many
models of the graviton are their in QFT.

Here is a link for the higgs boson
http://www.phy.uct.ac.za/courses/phy400w/particle/higgs.htm

The Higgs field is a composite and it is doubtful that an elementary H
boson will be found.

Quantum Vacuum Charge rules, baby!

FrediFizzx

Quantum Vacuum Charge papers;
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
http://www.vacuum-physics.com
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muser
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Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 67

PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Higgs boson revisited Reply with quote

muser wrote:
Quote:
I just saw this post archived
news:f144e162.0411030902.601e5065@posting.google.com.
I only know rudimentary physics, though I find the higgs boson
fascinating, the reply to the poster I felt was unsatisfactory as the
original post was asking whether the higgs boson could (if found) be
used to alter higgs field, not enrich our knowledge of the quantum
vacuum.
Would the graviton be available once the higgs boson is found. How many
models of the graviton are their in QFT.

Here is a link for the higgs boson
http://www.phy.uct.ac.za/courses/phy400w/particle/higgs.htm
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muser
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Joined: 02 May 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:17 pm    Post subject: Higgs boson revisited Reply with quote

I just saw this post archived
news:f144e162.0411030902.601e5065@posting.google.com.
I only know rudimentary physics, though I find the higgs boson
fascinating, the reply to the poster I felt was unsatisfactory as the
original post was asking whether the higgs boson could (if found) be
used to alter higgs field, not enrich our knowledge of the quantum
vacuum.
Would the graviton be available once the higgs boson is found. How many
models of the graviton are their in QFT.
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