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dom@gglz.com
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: UK tax on cheap isopropyl Reply with quote

VAT only on retail sales at 17.5%. Consumer prices are usually quoted
VAT inclusive, whist trade prices are ex-vat (and will usually be
labelled as such). If you are exporting it from the EU there is no vat
to pay.

Heavy alcohol taxation is on alcoholic beverages - I don't recommend
drinking isopropanol.
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mark_bluemel@pobox.com
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: UK tax on cheap isopropyl Reply with quote

Don W wrote:

Quote:
Alcohol is so heavily taxed in the UK and this is particularly cheap.

No - spirits are subject to excise duty. Isopropyl alcohol isn't a
spirit...

Quote:
Does anyone know how much UK tax should be paid on 230 ml of isopropyl
alcohol?

Customs and Excise probably do... You could visit their web site.
This link may help - http://tinyurl.com/k8ur4
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Guy King
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:13 pm    Post subject: Re: UK tax on cheap isopropyl Reply with quote

The message <1152634866.788750.46460@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
from mark_bluemel@pobox.com contains these words:

Quote:
No - spirits are subject to excise duty. Isopropyl alcohol isn't a
spirit...

Not a potable one, anyway.

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daddyfreddy@gmail.com
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:21 pm    Post subject: Re: UK tax on cheap isopropyl Reply with quote

dom@gglz.com wrote:

Quote:
I don't recommend
drinking isopropanol.

Now you tell me...
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Guy King
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: UK tax on cheap isopropyl Reply with quote

The message <1152638509.530776.315660@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
from daddyfreddy@gmail.com contains these words:

Quote:
I don't recommend
drinking isopropanol.

Now you tell me...

Does your breath now smell of acetone?

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daddyfreddy@gmail.com
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: UK tax on cheap isopropyl Reply with quote

Guy King wrote:
Quote:
The message <1152638509.530776.315660@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
from daddyfreddy@gmail.com contains these words:

I don't recommend
drinking isopropanol.

Now you tell me...

Does your breath now smell of acetone?

It might if I didn't mix it with Super Tennants.
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Ron Jones
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: UK tax on cheap isopropyl Reply with quote

Don W wrote:
Quote:
I can get a bottle of 50% isopropyl alcohol here in the UK from a
dicount store for about 0.70 UK Pounds (approx 1 US dollar). I use it
for general household cleaning.

The bottle is 473 ml (1 US pint). The 50% is by volume.

Alcohol is so heavily taxed in the UK and this is particularly cheap.
I suspect that the price of 0.70 UKP many not cover the cost of the
UK tax due on it.

Does anyone know how much UK tax should be paid on 230 ml of isopropyl
alcohol?

Only the dreaded VAT. No duty on IPA - 'cos no one drinks it. Had it been
ethanol.....

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Process Safety & Development Specialist
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John Rumm
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: UK tax on cheap isopropyl Reply with quote

Ron Jones wrote:

Quote:
Only the dreaded VAT. No duty on IPA - 'cos no one drinks it. Had it been
ethanol.....

There is duty on Industrial Methylated Sprit though, and that is not
exactly drinkable.

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Don W
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:59 pm    Post subject: Re: UK tax on cheap isopropyl Reply with quote

On 11 Jul 2006, Ron Jones<ron@ronjones.org.uk> wrote:

Quote:
Don W wrote:
I can get a bottle of 50% isopropyl alcohol here in the UK from a
dicount store for about 0.70 UK Pounds (approx 1 US dollar). I
use it for general household cleaning.

The bottle is 473 ml (1 US pint). The 50% is by volume.

Alcohol is so heavily taxed in the UK and this is particularly
cheap. I suspect that the price of 0.70 UKP many not cover the
cost of the UK tax due on it.

Does anyone know how much UK tax should be paid on 230 ml of
isopropyl alcohol?

Only the dreaded VAT. No duty on IPA - 'cos no one drinks it. Had
it been ethanol.....


No duty?

U pay about 4.50 for 500ml of isopropyl at my local chemist. I
thought the high-ish price was mainly for duty.

Am I being way over-charged?
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Dirk Bruere
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:13 am    Post subject: Re: UK tax on cheap isopropyl Reply with quote

Don W wrote:
Quote:
On 11 Jul 2006, Ron Jones<ron@ronjones.org.uk> wrote:

Don W wrote:
I can get a bottle of 50% isopropyl alcohol here in the UK from a
dicount store for about 0.70 UK Pounds (approx 1 US dollar). I
use it for general household cleaning.

The bottle is 473 ml (1 US pint). The 50% is by volume.

Alcohol is so heavily taxed in the UK and this is particularly
cheap. I suspect that the price of 0.70 UKP many not cover the
cost of the UK tax due on it.

Does anyone know how much UK tax should be paid on 230 ml of
isopropyl alcohol?
Only the dreaded VAT. No duty on IPA - 'cos no one drinks it. Had
it been ethanol.....


No duty?

U pay about 4.50 for 500ml of isopropyl at my local chemist. I
thought the high-ish price was mainly for duty.

Am I being way over-charged?

Bulk cost per tonne is 380 ie 38p per litre
http://ed.icheme.org/costchem.html

Which does look very attractive compared to petrol prices...
Still, methanol is 13p per litre.

Dirk
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Dr Ivan D. Reid
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:50 am    Post subject: Re: UK tax on cheap isopropyl Reply with quote

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:13:12 +0100,
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere@gmail.com>
wrote in <4hit49F1r9ab3U1@individual.net>:
Quote:
Don W wrote:
On 11 Jul 2006, Ron Jones<ron@ronjones.org.uk> wrote:

Don W wrote:
I can get a bottle of 50% isopropyl alcohol here in the UK from a
dicount store for about 0.70 UK Pounds (approx 1 US dollar). I
use it for general household cleaning.

The bottle is 473 ml (1 US pint). The 50% is by volume.

Alcohol is so heavily taxed in the UK and this is particularly
cheap. I suspect that the price of 0.70 UKP many not cover the
cost of the UK tax due on it.

Does anyone know how much UK tax should be paid on 230 ml of
isopropyl alcohol?

Only the dreaded VAT. No duty on IPA - 'cos no one drinks it. Had
it been ethanol.....

No duty?

U pay about 4.50 for 500ml of isopropyl at my local chemist. I
thought the high-ish price was mainly for duty.

Am I being way over-charged?

Bulk cost per tonne is 380 ie 38p per litre
http://ed.icheme.org/costchem.html

Actually, since its specific density is ~0.79, that's more like
30p/litre.
http://www.chemicalland21.com/petrochemical/ISOPROPANOL.htm

Quote:
Which does look very attractive compared to petrol prices...
Still, methanol is 13p per litre.

Similar density, so closer to 10p. Admittedly, those prices are from
a 2002 survey, so probably a bit out of date now, especially where oil-derived
chemicals are concerned.

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Dirk Bruere
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: UK tax on cheap isopropyl Reply with quote

Dr Ivan D. Reid wrote:
Quote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:13:12 +0100,
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere@gmail.com
wrote in <4hit49F1r9ab3U1@individual.net>:
Don W wrote:
On 11 Jul 2006, Ron Jones<ron@ronjones.org.uk> wrote:

Don W wrote:
I can get a bottle of 50% isopropyl alcohol here in the UK from a
dicount store for about 0.70 UK Pounds (approx 1 US dollar). I
use it for general household cleaning.

The bottle is 473 ml (1 US pint). The 50% is by volume.

Alcohol is so heavily taxed in the UK and this is particularly
cheap. I suspect that the price of 0.70 UKP many not cover the
cost of the UK tax due on it.

Does anyone know how much UK tax should be paid on 230 ml of
isopropyl alcohol?

Only the dreaded VAT. No duty on IPA - 'cos no one drinks it. Had
it been ethanol.....

No duty?

U pay about 4.50 for 500ml of isopropyl at my local chemist. I
thought the high-ish price was mainly for duty.

Am I being way over-charged?

Bulk cost per tonne is 380 ie 38p per litre
http://ed.icheme.org/costchem.html

Actually, since its specific density is ~0.79, that's more like
30p/litre.
http://www.chemicalland21.com/petrochemical/ISOPROPANOL.htm

Which does look very attractive compared to petrol prices...
Still, methanol is 13p per litre.

Similar density, so closer to 10p. Admittedly, those prices are from
a 2002 survey, so probably a bit out of date now, especially where oil-derived
chemicals are concerned.


Double it and it still looks good.

Dirk
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beav
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Joined: 18 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:42 pm    Post subject: Re: UK tax on cheap isopropyl Reply with quote

On 11 Jul 2006 09:12:46 -0700, "dom@gglz.com" <dom@gglz.com> wrote:

Quote:
VAT only on retail sales at 17.5%.



<GASP> that's a STEEP sales tax... do you pay income tax also? what
about a regional/provisional sales or income taxes?
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Jonathan Bryce
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Joined: 12 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:59 pm    Post subject: Re: UK tax on cheap isopropyl Reply with quote

beav wrote:

Quote:
On 11 Jul 2006 09:12:46 -0700, "dom@gglz.com" <dom@gglz.com> wrote:

VAT only on retail sales at 17.5%.

GASP> that's a STEEP sales tax... do you pay income tax also?

Yes, and National Insurance, which is another type of income tax.

Quote:
what about a regional/provisional sales or income taxes?

No.


Health care costs are a lot cheaper than in America though.
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Ron Jones
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:22 pm    Post subject: Re: UK tax on cheap isopropyl Reply with quote

Don W wrote:
Quote:
On 11 Jul 2006, Ron Jones<ron@ronjones.org.uk> wrote:

Don W wrote:
I can get a bottle of 50% isopropyl alcohol here in the UK from a
dicount store for about 0.70 UK Pounds (approx 1 US dollar). I
use it for general household cleaning.

The bottle is 473 ml (1 US pint). The 50% is by volume.

Alcohol is so heavily taxed in the UK and this is particularly
cheap. I suspect that the price of 0.70 UKP many not cover the
cost of the UK tax due on it.

Does anyone know how much UK tax should be paid on 230 ml of
isopropyl alcohol?

Only the dreaded VAT. No duty on IPA - 'cos no one drinks it. Had
it been ethanol.....


No duty?

U pay about 4.50 for 500ml of isopropyl at my local chemist. I
thought the high-ish price was mainly for duty.

Am I being way over-charged?

You are paying for someone(s) to bottle it, store it in bottles, pack it,
distribute it, allow for breakage and clean up - now you know how the
farmers feel with their milk prices...
Off hand, I would estimate that the buying price is around 150-200GBP for a
200 litre drum - but you would not be able (as a private person) to buy a
drum in the UK.


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Process Safety & Development Specialist
Don't repeat history, unreported chemical lab/plant near misses at
http://www.crhf.org.uk Only two things are certain: The universe and
human stupidity; and I'm not certain about the universe. ~ Albert
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