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Frreita

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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Way too interesting

<jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
 Quote: Proginoskes wrote: jstevh@msn.com wrote: David Moran wrote: jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message news:1152753353.097756.71980@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... So I have this neat result using congruences which is so easy and trivial that I can just put it out there and watch what happens! And on this group, surprising even me, there is still the usual reaction. I can check with other groups and see what happens, shifting how I present the mathematics. Far more interesting than I thought possible. It's like a study of the world with the most powerful intellectual microscope ever built--a simple solution to the factoring problem versus a social view that I'm just some crackpot. James Harris You're labeled a crackpot largely in part to how you act. Are you that stupid that you can't realize that? Dave But actions are irrelevant to mathematical proof. And they would be, if you had ... Ah, skip it. And besides, I have often noted that a lot of my postings are for entertainment value, or are out of boredom, so it does not quite make sense that the hostility that can be read repeatedly in replies to me, like in your posting here, is just about my behavior. Then why are you posting here, and not at some place like alt.psychology? There is something more, some kind of reaction formation? The crucial difference now, which allows the possibility of answers, is the simple factoring proof. You have an equation which, when solved, solves the factoring problem. Well, so do I. It is (a + 2) (b + 2) = T, where a and b are allowed to be nonnegative integers. You have given no _algorithm_, no precise procedure, for factoring an arbitrary integer. Any competant computer programmer knows this. OTOH, maybe that's why you got fired from Alltel ... What is this nonsense about me being fired from Alltel? Where do you people get this stuff? James Harris

you are full of s**t JSH
Proginoskes
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:11 am    Post subject: Re: JSH: Way too interesting

jstevh@msn.com wrote:
 Quote: Dann Corbit wrote: jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message news:1152840253.740078.256450@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... mike4ty4@yahoo.com wrote: jstevh@msn.com wrote: So I have this neat result using congruences which is so easy and trivial that I can just put it out there and watch what happens! And on this group, surprising even me, there is still the usual reaction. I can check with other groups and see what happens, shifting how I present the mathematics. Far more interesting than I thought possible. It's like a study of the world with the most powerful intellectual microscope ever built--a simple solution to the factoring problem versus a social view that I'm just some crackpot. James Harris If you really do have a simple solution, then produce the prime factorizations of all the numbers here: http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2093 Why? Why should I bother? The total sum of prizes for factorization of: RSA-704 RSA-768 RSA-896 RSA-1024 RSA-1536 RSA-2048 is worth \$605,000.00 Think carefully. I have a theory at this point. It looks good to me, like interesting mathematics. I like it. A scientific approach includes testing the theories: http://teacher.pas.rochester.edu/phy_labs/AppendixE/AppendixE.html What good would come of me implementing it--assuming it works well? Oodles of moolah. You would actually become famous as something other than a complete blithering idiot. So your reason is to impress people. Why should I bother? To prove that you are not an incompetent nitwit troll who pops off with absurd nonsense and then after 6 months of circular arguments admits he was wrong and then pops off with a new bit of equally innane nonsense. Yes, yours is a social world. I like the mathematics.

You must also like being known as an incompetant nitwit troll.

 Quote: I read several replies to me here, and none of them were reasons for me. I like the theory. It has a simplicity and purity that appeals to me.

So did the geocentric model of the universe.

 Quote: The mathematics is straightforward and beautiful. What else is there?

Well, I don't know, maybe the mathematics should be correct and useful?

--- Christopher Heckman
Proginoskes
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:09 am    Post subject: Re: JSH: Way too interesting

jstevh@msn.com wrote:
 Quote: mike4ty4@yahoo.com wrote: jstevh@msn.com wrote: So I have this neat result using congruences which is so easy and trivial that I can just put it out there and watch what happens! And on this group, surprising even me, there is still the usual reaction. I can check with other groups and see what happens, shifting how I present the mathematics. Far more interesting than I thought possible. It's like a study of the world with the most powerful intellectual microscope ever built--a simple solution to the factoring problem versus a social view that I'm just some crackpot. James Harris If you really do have a simple solution, then produce the prime factorizations of all the numbers here: http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2093 Why? Why should I bother? Think carefully. I have a theory at this point. It looks good to me, like interesting mathematics. I like it.

I like the idea that guys with glasses should be babe magnets. But it
doesn't actually happen.

Liking something doesn't make it true.

 Quote: What good would come of me implementing it--assuming it works well? Why should I bother?

I'm sorry; this approach isn't new, either. It was tried by Pierre
Fermat, to name one person.

--- Christopher Heckman
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:56 am    Post subject: Re: JSH: Way too interesting

jstevh@msn.com wrote:
 Quote: Dann Corbit wrote: jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message news:1152840253.740078.256450@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... mike4ty4@yahoo.com wrote: jstevh@msn.com wrote: So I have this neat result using congruences which is so easy and trivial that I can just put it out there and watch what happens! And on this group, surprising even me, there is still the usual reaction. I can check with other groups and see what happens, shifting how I present the mathematics. Far more interesting than I thought possible. It's like a study of the world with the most powerful intellectual microscope ever built--a simple solution to the factoring problem versus a social view that I'm just some crackpot. James Harris If you really do have a simple solution, then produce the prime factorizations of all the numbers here: http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2093 Why? Why should I bother? The total sum of prizes for factorization of: RSA-704 RSA-768 RSA-896 RSA-1024 RSA-1536 RSA-2048 is worth \$605,000.00 Think carefully. I have a theory at this point. It looks good to me, like interesting mathematics. I like it. A scientific approach includes testing the theories: http://teacher.pas.rochester.edu/phy_labs/AppendixE/AppendixE.html What good would come of me implementing it--assuming it works well? Oodles of moolah. You would actually become famous as something other than a complete blithering idiot. So your reason is to impress people. Why should I bother? To prove that you are not an incompetent nitwit troll who pops off with absurd nonsense and then after 6 months of circular arguments admits he was wrong and then pops off with a new bit of equally innane nonsense. Yes, yours is a social world. I like the mathematics. I read several replies to me here, and none of them were reasons for me. I like the theory. It has a simplicity and purity that appeals to me. The mathematics is straightforward and beautiful. What else is there? James Harris

So, being correct doesn't matter to you. Well then, you are on the
right track.
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:32 am    Post subject: Re: JSH: Way too interesting

Dann Corbit wrote:
 Quote: jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message news:1152840253.740078.256450@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... mike4ty4@yahoo.com wrote: jstevh@msn.com wrote: So I have this neat result using congruences which is so easy and trivial that I can just put it out there and watch what happens! And on this group, surprising even me, there is still the usual reaction. I can check with other groups and see what happens, shifting how I present the mathematics. Far more interesting than I thought possible. It's like a study of the world with the most powerful intellectual microscope ever built--a simple solution to the factoring problem versus a social view that I'm just some crackpot. James Harris If you really do have a simple solution, then produce the prime factorizations of all the numbers here: http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2093 Why? Why should I bother? The total sum of prizes for factorization of: RSA-704 RSA-768 RSA-896 RSA-1024 RSA-1536 RSA-2048 is worth \$605,000.00 Think carefully. I have a theory at this point. It looks good to me, like interesting mathematics. I like it. A scientific approach includes testing the theories: http://teacher.pas.rochester.edu/phy_labs/AppendixE/AppendixE.html What good would come of me implementing it--assuming it works well? Oodles of moolah. You would actually become famous as something other than a complete blithering idiot.

So your reason is to impress people.

 Quote: Why should I bother? To prove that you are not an incompetent nitwit troll who pops off with absurd nonsense and then after 6 months of circular arguments admits he was wrong and then pops off with a new bit of equally innane nonsense.

Yes, yours is a social world. I like the mathematics.

I read several replies to me here, and none of them were reasons for
me.

I like the theory. It has a simplicity and purity that appeals to me.

The mathematics is straightforward and beautiful.

What else is there?

James Harris
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:30 am    Post subject: Re: JSH: Way too interesting

[mike4ty4@yahoo.com]
 Quote: If you really do have a simple solution, then produce the prime factorizations of all the numbers here: http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2093

[jstevh@msn.com]
 Quote: Why? Why should I bother?

For the obvious reason: you've produced dozens of "factoring algorithms" to
date, and all it's ever taken so far to learn that one doesn't work well (or
even at all at times) is simply to try it. This one is in exactly the same
boat, but you're too stupid to know it despite that others have known it for
days.

And, sorry, but no, "stupid" is not an inaccurate word here: to go on and
on and on about a thing, when a simple way to determine its truth is known,
but you refuse to take that simple step, is indeed stupidity of the most
damning kind. It's how you get your reputation for invincible ignorance:
you actively refuse to learn.

 Quote: Think carefully. I have a theory at this point. It looks good to me, like interesting mathematics. I like it. What good would come of me implementing it--assuming it works well?

Because you would learn instead that it doesn't work worth beans, and trying
it yourself is in fact the simplest and fastest way to learn that. Think
carefully yourself: how much of your life and reputation have you thrown
away defending worthless methods so far? How much more do you want to
waste? How much more do you want to waste on _this_ one?

 Quote: Why should I bother?

Because the "assuming it works well" part of your question was
counterfactual. It doesn't work well, and, as usual, you're going to be the
last person to know that.

Then again, not bothering is exactly what you need to do to if you want to
be universally regarded as a crank, crackpot, or fool. So if that's what
you want, congratulations.
Dann Corbit
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:05 am    Post subject: Re: JSH: Way too interesting

<jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
 Quote: mike4ty4@yahoo.com wrote: jstevh@msn.com wrote: So I have this neat result using congruences which is so easy and trivial that I can just put it out there and watch what happens! And on this group, surprising even me, there is still the usual reaction. I can check with other groups and see what happens, shifting how I present the mathematics. Far more interesting than I thought possible. It's like a study of the world with the most powerful intellectual microscope ever built--a simple solution to the factoring problem versus a social view that I'm just some crackpot. James Harris If you really do have a simple solution, then produce the prime factorizations of all the numbers here: http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2093 Why? Why should I bother?

The total sum of prizes for factorization of:
RSA-704 RSA-768 RSA-896 RSA-1024 RSA-1536 RSA-2048
is worth \$605,000.00

 Quote: Think carefully. I have a theory at this point. It looks good to me, like interesting mathematics. I like it.

A scientific approach includes testing the theories:
http://teacher.pas.rochester.edu/phy_labs/AppendixE/AppendixE.html

 Quote: What good would come of me implementing it--assuming it works well?

Oodles of moolah. You would actually become famous as something other than
a complete blithering idiot.

 Quote: Why should I bother?

To prove that you are not an incompetent nitwit troll who pops off with
absurd nonsense and then after 6 months of circular arguments admits he was
wrong and then pops off with a new bit of equally innane nonsense.

 Quote: James Harris
mike3

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Posts: 52

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:42 am    Post subject: Re: JSH: Way too interesting

jstevh@msn.com wrote:
 Quote: mike4ty4@yahoo.com wrote: jstevh@msn.com wrote: So I have this neat result using congruences which is so easy and trivial that I can just put it out there and watch what happens! And on this group, surprising even me, there is still the usual reaction. I can check with other groups and see what happens, shifting how I present the mathematics. Far more interesting than I thought possible. It's like a study of the world with the most powerful intellectual microscope ever built--a simple solution to the factoring problem versus a social view that I'm just some crackpot. James Harris If you really do have a simple solution, then produce the prime factorizations of all the numbers here: http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2093 Why? Why should I bother?

To show that your algorithm really does work.

 Quote: Think carefully. I have a theory at this point. It looks good to me, like interesting mathematics. I like it. What good would come of me implementing it--assuming it works well?

Because if you really have a working algorithm, you should demonstrate
it. It's called "burden of proof". If you claim to have X then you
should
demonstrate it otherwise the claim is not supported. If you can show
what the factors are, then you have proven your claim. So, list the
factors of the six numbers that are shown as "not factored". If your
theory really indeed works, then just do this. Demonstrating it would
show
everyone here that you indeed have found something revolutionary, and
you would have made a great contribution to mathematics, no longer be
considered an "idiot", etc.

 Quote: Why should I bother?

See above.

Can you factor these numbers? If you just sat down and spent a little
bit of time implementing the algorithm, _could you do it_?

 Quote: James Harris
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:37 am    Post subject: Re: JSH: Way too interesting

jstevh@msn.com wrote:
 Quote: mike4ty4@yahoo.com wrote: jstevh@msn.com wrote: So I have this neat result using congruences which is so easy and trivial that I can just put it out there and watch what happens! And on this group, surprising even me, there is still the usual reaction. I can check with other groups and see what happens, shifting how I present the mathematics. Far more interesting than I thought possible. It's like a study of the world with the most powerful intellectual microscope ever built--a simple solution to the factoring problem versus a social view that I'm just some crackpot. James Harris If you really do have a simple solution, then produce the prime factorizations of all the numbers here: http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2093 Why? Why should I bother? Think carefully. I have a theory at this point. It looks good to me, like interesting mathematics. I like it. What good would come of me implementing it--assuming it works well? Why should I bother? James Harris

Because a real researcher likes to test his theories. If when tested
the theory is proven wrong, they then learn from their mistakes and
endeavor to do better.

I guess this is beyond your comprehension.
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:24 am    Post subject: Re: JSH: Way too interesting

mike4ty4@yahoo.com wrote:
 Quote: jstevh@msn.com wrote: So I have this neat result using congruences which is so easy and trivial that I can just put it out there and watch what happens! And on this group, surprising even me, there is still the usual reaction. I can check with other groups and see what happens, shifting how I present the mathematics. Far more interesting than I thought possible. It's like a study of the world with the most powerful intellectual microscope ever built--a simple solution to the factoring problem versus a social view that I'm just some crackpot. James Harris If you really do have a simple solution, then produce the prime factorizations of all the numbers here: http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2093

Why? Why should I bother?

Think carefully. I have a theory at this point. It looks good to me,
like interesting mathematics. I like it.

What good would come of me implementing it--assuming it works well?

Why should I bother?

James Harris
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:54 am    Post subject: Re: JSH: Way too interesting

jstevh@msn.com wrote:
 Quote: So I have this neat result using congruences which is so easy and trivial that I can just put it out there and watch what happens! And on this group, surprising even me, there is still the usual reaction. I can check with other groups and see what happens, shifting how I present the mathematics. Far more interesting than I thought possible. It's like a study of the world with the most powerful intellectual microscope ever built--a simple solution to the factoring problem versus a social view that I'm just some crackpot. James Harris

If you really do have a simple solution, then produce the prime
factorizations of all the numbers here:

http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2093
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:37 am    Post subject: Re: Way too interesting

Proginoskes wrote:
 Quote: jstevh@msn.com wrote: David Moran wrote: jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message news:1152753353.097756.71980@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... So I have this neat result using congruences which is so easy and trivial that I can just put it out there and watch what happens! And on this group, surprising even me, there is still the usual reaction. I can check with other groups and see what happens, shifting how I present the mathematics. Far more interesting than I thought possible. It's like a study of the world with the most powerful intellectual microscope ever built--a simple solution to the factoring problem versus a social view that I'm just some crackpot. James Harris You're labeled a crackpot largely in part to how you act. Are you that stupid that you can't realize that? Dave But actions are irrelevant to mathematical proof. And they would be, if you had ... Ah, skip it. And besides, I have often noted that a lot of my postings are for entertainment value, or are out of boredom, so it does not quite make sense that the hostility that can be read repeatedly in replies to me, like in your posting here, is just about my behavior. Then why are you posting here, and not at some place like alt.psychology? There is something more, some kind of reaction formation? The crucial difference now, which allows the possibility of answers, is the simple factoring proof. You have an equation which, when solved, solves the factoring problem. Well, so do I. It is (a + 2) (b + 2) = T, where a and b are allowed to be nonnegative integers. You have given no _algorithm_, no precise procedure, for factoring an arbitrary integer. Any competant computer programmer knows this. OTOH, maybe that's why you got fired from Alltel ...

What is this nonsense about me being fired from Alltel?

Where do you people get this stuff?

James Harris
Abstract Dissonance
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: JSH: Way too interesting

"Chuck Grempu" <spamless@nospam.com> wrote in message
 Quote: "Abstract Dissonance" wrote in message news:12bbfjm2i3jj816@corp.supernews.com... willo_thewisp@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1152755689.143279.243230@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... jstevh@msn.com wrote: So, for some reason, you believe that I am wrong, but why? I believe you are wrong because you are extremely stupid. No, thats simply not true! We all know that he is a genius and far beyond his time!!!!!! Why not admit it!!! Hell, We all should be willing to say he's right just to shut him up if it would work!! Yes, I too am totally convinced that JSH is a complete Genius, just like Gauss or Newton but in the factoring field. If he simply factored one number, then he would prove to the world he has been wronged all these years, and he will show them, he will show them, and they will quiver at his mighty wrath.

No! He has already done it! He has proven that every number can be factored
in 2*4 or 3*19.43828! Thats what his surrogate factoring is all about! Its
quite amazing if you would take the time to understand it. I'm just now
realizing its true potential! I think it is the best discovery of all
humanity!
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:51 am    Post subject: Re: Way too interesting

jstevh@msn.com wrote:
 Quote: David Moran wrote: jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message news:1152753353.097756.71980@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... So I have this neat result using congruences which is so easy and trivial that I can just put it out there and watch what happens! And on this group, surprising even me, there is still the usual reaction. I can check with other groups and see what happens, shifting how I present the mathematics. Far more interesting than I thought possible. It's like a study of the world with the most powerful intellectual microscope ever built--a simple solution to the factoring problem versus a social view that I'm just some crackpot. James Harris You're labeled a crackpot largely in part to how you act. Are you that stupid that you can't realize that? Dave But actions are irrelevant to mathematical proof.

And they would be, if you had ... Ah, skip it.

 Quote: And besides, I have often noted that a lot of my postings are for entertainment value, or are out of boredom, so it does not quite make sense that the hostility that can be read repeatedly in replies to me, like in your posting here, is just about my behavior.

Then why are you posting here, and not at some place like
alt.psychology?

 Quote: There is something more, some kind of reaction formation? The crucial difference now, which allows the possibility of answers, is the simple factoring proof.

You have an equation which, when solved, solves the factoring problem.
Well, so do I. It is

(a + 2) (b + 2) = T,

where a and b are allowed to be nonnegative integers.

You have given no _algorithm_, no precise procedure, for factoring an
arbitrary integer. Any competant computer programmer knows this. OTOH,
maybe that's why you got fired from Alltel ...

Say ... Many years back, my brother got a bill from Alltel which was
ten times too large. Fortunately the company saw that it was a mistake
and recalculated it for him. You didn't have a hand in that, by any
chance?

 Quote: How is your brain reacting to the new element?

You mean the plutonium atom? Yes, it has turned me into a super-genius.

--- Christopher Heckman
Frreita

Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Posts: 96

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:21 am    Post subject: Re: JSH: Way too interesting

"Abstract Dissonance" <Abstract.Dissonance@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:12bbfjm2i3jj816@corp.supernews.com...
 Quote: willo_thewisp@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1152755689.143279.243230@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... jstevh@msn.com wrote: So, for some reason, you believe that I am wrong, but why? I believe you are wrong because you are extremely stupid. No, thats simply not true! We all know that he is a genius and far beyond his time!!!!!! Why not admit it!!! Hell, We all should be willing to say he's right just to shut him up if it would work!!

Yes, I too am totally convinced that JSH is a complete Genius, just like
Gauss or Newton but in the factoring field.
If he simply factored one number, then he would prove to the world he has
been wronged all these years, and he will show them, he will show them, and
they will quiver at his mighty wrath.

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