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Sam Wormley
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: New Inductance Reply with quote

The Real Chris wrote:
Quote:
If you make a single loop of wire bent into a circle and pass a regulated 1
amp current through it you will make a "magnetic field". According to Gauss
you have to imagine it is there and calculate accordingly. Then comes an
extraordinary performance of human intellect beginning with the magnetic
shells construction that shows that the field is uniform across the plane of
the loop.

According to Carl Popper we should now measure it to see.



See: http://www.google.com/search?q=Popper+site%3Awww.crank.net
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Sue...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:11 am    Post subject: Re: New Inductance Reply with quote

The Real Chris wrote:

Quote:
The inductive effect is in reality caused by the acceleration of electrons.
Now these little charged particles are governed by quantum mechanics and the
energy states up the ladder are discontinuous and the electrons jump from
one state to the next the two states overlap and during the transition a
fluctuation occurs and a photon emission occurs, just like the hydrogen
spectrum.

Look at Smith-Purcell radiation and see if your charges aren't moving
waaaay too slow for the effect you are assuming.

Sue...
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Roy L. Fuchs
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Re: New Inductance Reply with quote

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:38:42 GMT, "The Real Chris" <me@myself.com>
Gave us:

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Using a compass as a tangent galvanometer with the earth's field as a
reference you can measure the relative strength of the field in the region
of the magnet by measuring its deflection (according to the field theory). I
have done this and the field is about three times higher near the wire than
at the centre. This disproves the magnetic shell construction.

You're an idiot. The only thing that you have proven is that you do
not know how to make observations and include all influences in your
examination of any observances.
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Roy L. Fuchs
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: New Inductance Reply with quote

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:38:42 GMT, "The Real Chris" <me@myself.com>
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Quote:
Another basic algorithm is the idea that a series of loops is like one loop
multiplied. Well if you do the same thing for six turns then the compass
measurement is the same near the wire than at the centre.

Ever heard of a transformer, idiot?

I have made them that transform 3 turn primaries into 4000 turn
secondaries, and the math all works.
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Roy L. Fuchs
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:48 pm    Post subject: Re: New Inductance Reply with quote

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:38:42 GMT, "The Real Chris" <me@myself.com>
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The magnetic field does not exist it is fictitious.

You're a fucking retard, and the only thing that doesn't exist with
you is credibility.
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Ken S. Tucker
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:21 pm    Post subject: Re: New Inductance Reply with quote

The Real Chris wrote:
Quote:
If you make a single loop of wire bent into a circle and pass a regulated 1
amp current through it you will make a "magnetic field". According to Gauss
you have to imagine it is there and calculate accordingly. Then comes an
extraordinary performance of human intellect beginning with the magnetic
shells construction that shows that the field is uniform across the plane of
the loop.

According to Carl Popper we should now measure it to see.

Using a compass as a tangent galvanometer with the earth's field as a
reference you can measure the relative strength of the field in the region
of the magnet by measuring its deflection (according to the field theory). I
have done this and the field is about three times higher near the wire than
at the centre. This disproves the magnetic shell construction.

Another basic algorithm is the idea that a series of loops is like one loop
multiplied. Well if you do the same thing for six turns then the compass
measurement is the same near the wire than at the centre.

This shows that the basic algorithm of what is true on one is true of many
as one times the number of repetitions, is false.

I would like to propose a different model: that the magnet is responding to
spin-spin interactions as a quantum mechanical effect. These are entirely
electrostatic in nature.

The magnetic field does not exist it is fictitious.

The model of the magnetic effect of current is in reality the Lorenz
contraction of the moving electrons relative to the fixed charges in the
wire and the electrostatic force is mediated by virtual photons.

Since the electrons always occupy the same space in the wire even though
they are moving it shows that special relativity is an effect like
perspective.

The inductive effect is in reality caused by the acceleration of electrons.
Now these little charged particles are governed by quantum mechanics and the
energy states up the ladder are discontinuous and the electrons jump from
one state to the next the two states overlap and during the transition a
fluctuation occurs and a photon emission occurs, just like the hydrogen
spectrum.

This photon interacts with just one electron in another wire or the same
wire and imparts momentum and energy to change the electron from its
original state to its new state. This also means that the photon carries
momentum both linear and angular and energy.
*
This is both mutual and self inductance.

Chris

Sounds good to me, I think a transformer
is basically a "quantum mechanical" device,
if it's examined in detail. I think your ideas
are very reasonable and advanced.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker
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Bill Snyder
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:34 pm    Post subject: Re: New Inductance Reply with quote

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:48:10 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
<roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

Quote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:38:42 GMT, "The Real Chris" <me@myself.com
Gave us:

The magnetic field does not exist it is fictitious.

You're a fucking retard, and the only thing that doesn't exist with
you is credibility.

You seem to have misspelled "delusional paranoid schizophrenic" as
"fucking retard." If you'll check out this poor loon's ravings over
on sci.physics.fusion, where he has a track record, you'll find that
he's a genius who in earlier days single-handedly built everything
from cold-fusion power generators to thermonuclear warheads. (But of
course that was before the Powers That Be revoked his security
clearance and had him lobotomized to shut him up.)

A short sample, of recent vintage:

Quote:
The hydrogen engine was developed in Britain 30 years ago and is used on all
British Warships as is cold fusion lighting. At the moment the domestic
power units are reserved for the privilidged few as are the automobiles.

I get the cold fear that the British leadership is conserving this secret in
order to use them to re-esablish the British Empire and enforce their warped
view of the capitalist system.

The secret is perfectly safe as no one will believe me.

I believe they are also developing teleportation and matter creation units.

It might be quite nice to be British when they eventually get into use as a
dometic market item, like the domestic robot. These days we have criminals
availbable as domestic mindless pets mindlessly obeying orders in an
intelligent manner.

You can even hire them out as pretty sexy dancers and you take the money,
they only get sex and chocklates. One I know earns 10,000 a month for her
owner who keeps her on a lead as she is to stupid to understand where to go
and skips off like a child if not carefully looked after. I don't think she
knows who she was or what money is, but she has plenty of jewelry wrapped
round her beautiful slim body and really that is all their is.

She was a doctor of philophy once.... Now and nude dancing monkey! How much
I asked?

This guy's so far around the bend that he can't even see the curve
from where he is.
--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.]
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The Real Chris
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: New Inductance Reply with quote

Rubbish quantum mechanics it true at all energies. The energy of each of the
quanta are hf where f is the frequency of the exciter and the number of
quanta per cycle is the energy per cycle divided by hf. Nothing special
about low energies.
"Sue..." <suzysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1152958274.455652.92190@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Quote:

The Real Chris wrote:

The inductive effect is in reality caused by the acceleration of
electrons.
Now these little charged particles are governed by quantum mechanics and
the
energy states up the ladder are discontinuous and the electrons jump from
one state to the next the two states overlap and during the transition a
fluctuation occurs and a photon emission occurs, just like the hydrogen
spectrum.

Look at Smith-Purcell radiation and see if your charges aren't moving
waaaay too slow for the effect you are assuming.

Sue...
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The Real Chris
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: New Inductance Reply with quote

Well I've done it several times with different loops and even with a planar
coil with the turns in a narow bundle. The effect is far to marked to be an
error.
"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:38:42 GMT, "The Real Chris" <me@myself.com
Gave us:

Using a compass as a tangent galvanometer with the earth's field as a
reference you can measure the relative strength of the field in the region
of the magnet by measuring its deflection (according to the field theory).
I
have done this and the field is about three times higher near the wire
than
at the centre. This disproves the magnetic shell construction.

You're an idiot. The only thing that you have proven is that you do
not know how to make observations and include all influences in your
examination of any observances.
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The Real Chris
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: New Inductance Reply with quote

I've no reason for any contention regarding this. It is a different
phenomina.
Here more of the photons leaving the exciter get collected by the secondary.
It is of course possible that some photons get used more than once or twice.

"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:38:42 GMT, "The Real Chris" <me@myself.com
Gave us:

Another basic algorithm is the idea that a series of loops is like one
loop
multiplied. Well if you do the same thing for six turns then the compass
measurement is the same near the wire than at the centre.

Ever heard of a transformer, idiot?

I have made them that transform 3 turn primaries into 4000 turn
secondaries, and the math all works.
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The Real Chris
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: New Inductance Reply with quote

Please catch some magnetic field and send it to me.

"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
news:ohaib2ds1qeu7oqtbi1oj3jm7ljl0d7dm4@4ax.com...
Quote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:38:42 GMT, "The Real Chris" <me@myself.com
Gave us:

The magnetic field does not exist it is fictitious.

You're a fucking retard, and the only thing that doesn't exist with
you is credibility.
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The Real Chris
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: New Inductance Reply with quote

Thank you, I tell you where you can see a lobotomised nude lady human robot
dancing in a sexy idiot dancing show. Morely college London, You might need
a pass to get past the guard and you might end up as one yourself.

They generally have to catch her after and re-attach her lead otherwise she
skips off down the street to play with her toys.

Chris.

"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
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Chris

Sounds good to me, I think a transformer
is basically a "quantum mechanical" device,
if it's examined in detail. I think your ideas
are very reasonable and advanced.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker
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Roy L. Fuchs
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: New Inductance Reply with quote

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:04:17 GMT, "The Real Chris" <me@myself.com>
Gave us:

Quote:
I've no reason for any contention regarding this. It is a different
phenomina.
Here more of the photons leaving the exciter get collected by the secondary.
It is of course possible that some photons get used more than once or twice.


Stop top posting, you retarded twit.

The transformer is a long rectangle with the primary at one end and
the secondary at the other. ALL flux is transferred via the core.
Once and only once.

That last line pegs you squarely as a loon.
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Tom Roberts
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: New Inductance Reply with quote

The Real Chris wrote:
Quote:
If you make a single loop of wire bent into a circle and pass a regulated 1
amp current through it you will make a "magnetic field". According to Gauss
you have to imagine it is there and calculate accordingly. Then comes an
extraordinary performance of human intellect beginning with the magnetic
shells construction that shows that the field is uniform across the plane of
the loop.

I have no idea where you get the idea that the field should be uniform.
Indeed, a quick computation shows that for a loop of 1mm square wire in
a circle of radius 250 mm and a current of 1A, the B field at the center
is 25 Gauss, and at radius 240 mm it is 213 Gauss -- far from uniform.

[Yes, I have a program that can easily compute this; it took
me about 3 minutes to set it up and run it for this geometry.]


Quote:
Another basic algorithm is the idea that a series of loops is like one loop
multiplied. Well if you do the same thing for six turns then the compass
measurement is the same near the wire than at the centre.

For my values above, one will not achieve ~10% uniformity until the coil
is more than 250 mm long. That's a lot more than 6 turns. But your
compass has very poor resolution (far worse than 10%).


Quote:
The magnetic field does not exist it is fictitious.

Your discussion gives no support for this contention at all. Indeed, you
seem to be measuring a magnetic field....


Tom Roberts
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tendon
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: New Inductance Reply with quote

Roy L. Fuchs wrote:
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On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:38:42 GMT, "The Real Chris" <me@myself.com
Gave us:

Another basic algorithm is the idea that a series of loops is like one loop
multiplied. Well if you do the same thing for six turns then the compass
measurement is the same near the wire than at the centre.

Ever heard of a transformer, idiot?

I have made them that transform 3 turn primaries into 4000 turn
secondaries, and the math all works.

transformin dc!? fool
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