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TURMEL: Virginia Livingston M.D. Cancer Quack or Genius?
JCT: Without even reading it, I note that to be labelled a
quack by the failed cancer industry has to be a good
recommendation. Don't they decry Vitamin B17, a harmless
vitamin, because it's been shown to often kill cancer?
Haven't they decried marijuana as causing cancer and now
we're finding out it's actually killing cancer! They always
keep you looking 180 degrees away from the truth.
|Virginia Livingston, MD/ Cancer Quack or Medical Genius?
From: [catapult] Digest Number 1657
Posted by: "Bob Dunbar" email@example.com
Date: Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:04 am (PDT)
From: Alan Cantwell <firstname.lastname@example.org
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:26:07 -0700....
I note you have an interest in the late, great Virginia
Livingston MD (1906-1990)-- and her important published
research showing bacteria as a cause of cancer. I have
attached a recent article I wrote about her accomplishments,
with photos of the microbe in breast and prostate cancer and
in Hodgkin's disease -- and a full bibliography with
suggestions for further Internet study. Unfortunately her
work remains largely ignored, unknown, or condemned. This
communication is a small attempt to preserve some record of
her tremendous research pertaining to the etiology of
cancer. The article is also intended as a memorial to honor
the centennial of her birth, which takes place on Dec 28,
2006. Feel free to use the article in any way it might prove
helpful to your own work and cause, and please forward to
interested others. Regards, Alan Cantwell MD
Virginia Livingston, M.D.:
Cancer Quack or Medical Genius?
2006 by Alan Cantwell, M.D., Los Angeles, CA
Cancer is the most frightening human disease and its cause
remains elusive. Therefore, it seems inconceivable that the
discovery of a germ cause of cancer would provoke such
hostility among the cancer establishment. But, in truth, the
belief in a cancer germ has always been the ultimate
scientific heresy. In the long history of cancer research
there was never a physician more outspoken and controversial
than Virginia Wuerthele-Caspe Livingston (1906-1990). For
more than 40 years she championed the revolutionary idea
that bacteria caused cancer and devised a treatment to try
and combat these microbes by immunotherapy. Sixteen years
after her death she is now largely forgotten but still
condemned by such powerful organizations as the American
Cancer Society, and blacklisted on Quackwatch, a self-
proclaimed "non-profit corporation dedicated to combating
health-related frauds, myths, fads, and fallacies."
JCT: Condemned by those who benefit from cancer.
LIVINGSTON'S CANCER RESEARCH
Beginning in the late 1940s, Livingston was able to grow
bacteria from cancer tumors; and when she and her associates
injected cancer bacteria into laboratory animals, some
developed cancer. Other animals developed degenerative and
proliferative diseases, and some animals remained healthy.
Livingston believed the "immunity" of the host was important
factor in determining whether cancer would develop.
In 1969 at a meeting at the New York Academy of Sciences,
Livingston and her colleagues proposed that cancer was
caused by a highly unusual bacterium which she named
Progenitor cryptocides, Greek for 'ancestral hidden killer.'
Nevertheless, Livingston claimed elements of the microbe
were present in every human cell. Due to its biochemical
properties, she believed the organism was responsible for
initiating life and for the healing of tissue, and for
killing us with cancer and other infirmities. Critics of
this research continued to insist there was no such thing as
a cancer germ.
In her attempt to use a variety of modalities (diet,
supplements, antibiotics, as well as traditional methods) to
treat cancer, she utilized an 'autogenous' vaccine derived
from the patient's own cancer bacteria found in the urine
JCT: Vaccine derived from good stuff found in urine! So she
developed a vaccine out of the cancer-killers present in the
urine for re-injection. I wonder if there is not another way
to get the cancer-killers in urine back into you?
Livingston explained it was not an anti-cancer vaccine, but
rather a vaccine to help stimulate and improve the patient's
own immune system.
JCT: Sending back dead remnants of cancer, macrophages, so
the immune system can be tricked into producing cancer-
The administration of this unapproved vaccine caused a furor
in the cancer establishment and eventually legal action was
undertaken against her and the Livingston-Wheeler Clinic in
San Diego. In spite of all her legal troubles, she continued
seeing patients until her death at 83. In March 1990, the
year of her death, a highly critical article on the
Livingston-Wheeler therapy appeared in the American Cancer
Society-sponsored CA: A Cancer Journal for Physicians. (No
authors were listed.) The report advised patients to stay
away from the San Diego clinic and claimed: "Livingston-
Wheeler's cancer treatment is based on the belief that
cancer is caused by a bacterium she has named Progenitor
cryptocides. Careful research using modern techniques,
however, has shown that there is no such organism and that
Livingston-Wheeler has apparently mistaken several different
types of bacteria, both rare and common, for a unique
microbe. In spite of diligent research to isolate a cancer-
causing microorganism, none has been found.
JCT: They claim to have proven a negative. Because they
didn't find it, no one can.
Similarly, Livingston-Wheeler's autologous vaccine cannot be
considered an effective treatment for cancer. While many
oncologists have expressed the hope that someday a vaccine
will be developed against cancer, the cause(s) of cancer
must be determined before research can be directed toward
developing a vaccine. The rationale for other facets of the
Livingston-Wheeler cancer therapy is similarly faulty. No
evidence supports her contention that cancer results from a
defective immune system, that a whole-foods diet restores
immune system deficiencies, that abscisic acid slows tumor
growth, or that cancer is transmitted to humans by
chickens." (The full report is on-line at:
BACTERIA AS A CAUSE OF CANCER
The recognition of disease-producing bacteria allowed
medical science to emerge from the dark ages into the era of
modern medicine. In the late nineteenth century when
diseases like tuberculosis (TB), syphilis, and leprosy were
proven to be caused by bacteria, some doctors also suspected
human cancer might have a similar cause.
The idea that bacteria cause cancer is considered
preposterous by most physicians. However, despite the
antagonistic view of the American Cancer Society and medical
science, there is ample evidence in the published peer-
reviewed literature that strongly suggests that 'cancer
microbes' cause cancer.
According to reports by Livingston and various other
researchers, cancer is caused by pleomorphic, cell wall
deficient bacteria. The various forms of the organism range
in size from submicroscopic virus-like forms, up to the size
of bacteria, yeasts, and fungi. In culture and in tissue the
bacterial forms are variably 'acid-fast' (having a staining
quality like TB bacteria). These bacteria are ubiquitous and
exist in the blood and tissues of all human beings (yet
another 'heresy'). In the absence of a protective immune
response, these cell wall deficient bacteria may become
pathogenic and foster the development of cancer , autoimmune
disease, AIDS, and certain other chronic diseases of unknown
Needless to say, all this research fell on dead ears because
bacteria were totally ruled out as the cause of all cancers
in the early years of the twentieth century.
JCT: They had stopped looking and were sure no one else
could ever see what they did not see. How presumptuous?
Thus, bacteria observed in cancer were simply dismissed as
elements of cellular degeneration, or as invaders of tissue
weakened by cancer, or as 'contaminants' of laboratory
LIVINGSTON AND PROGENITOR CRYPTOCIDES
Beginning in1950, in a series of papers and books,
Livingston and her co-workers claimed the cancer microbe was
a great imitator whose various pleomorphic forms resembled
common staphylococci, diphtheroids, fungi, viruses, and host
cell inclusions. Yet if the germ were studied carefully
through all its transitional stages, it could be identified
as a single agent. She was the first to suggest that the
acid-fast stain was the key to the identification of the
cancer microbe in tissue and in culture; and also
demonstrated its appearance in the blood of cancer patients,
by use of dark-field microscopy.
Anyone who takes the time to read Livingston's reports in
the medical literature will quickly recognize that she was a
credible research scientist, who allied herself with other
experts, and was certainly not the quack doctor pictured by
her detractors. Her achievements in cancer microbiology can
also be found in her autobiographical books: Cancer, A New
Breakthrough (1972); The Microbiology of Cancer (1977); and
The Conquest of Cancer (1984). Her research has been
confirmed by other scientists, such as microbiologist
Eleanor Alexander-Jackson, cell cytologist Irene Diller,
biochemist Florence Seibert, and dermatologist Alan
Cantwell, among others.
THE CANCER MICROBE AND BACTERIAL PLEOMORPHISM
Microbiologists have long resisted the idea of bacterial
pleomorphism, and do not recognize or accept the various
growth forms and the bacterial 'life cycle' proposed by
various cancer microbe workers. Most bacteriologists do not
accept the idea of a bacterium changing from a coccus to a
rod, or to a fungus. Depending on the environment, the
microbe in its cell wall-deficient phase may attain large
size, even larger that a red blood cell. Other forms are
submicroscopic and virus-sized. Electronic microscopic
studies and photographs of filtered (bacteria-free) cultures
of the cancer microbe show virus-size elements of the cancer
microbe that can revert into bacterial-sized microbes.
The cancer microbe has adapted to life in man and animals by
existing in a mycoplasma-like or cell wall deficient state.
In tissue sections of cancer stained for bacteria with the
special acid-fast stain, the microbe can be seen as a
variably acid-fast (blue, red, or purple-stained) round
coccus or as barely visible granules . At magnifications of
one thousand times (in oil), these forms can be observed
within and also outside of the cells.
Careful study and observation of the tiny round coccoid
forms in cancer tissue indicate they can enlarge
progressively up to the size of so-called Russell bodies,
which are well-known to pathologists. Russell bodies can
attain the size of red blood cells, and even larger. William
Russell was a well-respected Scottish pathologist who in
1890 first reported the finding of 'cancer parasites' in the
tissue of all the cancers he studied. However, modern
pathologists deny that Russell's bodies are microbial in
JCT: The experts on what it's not.
For more information on Russell bodies and Russell's 'cancer
parasite' (and its intimate relationship to cancer
microbes), Google: The forgotten clue to the bacterial cause
of cancer; or go to:
OVERLOOKING HIDDEN BACTERIA IN CANCER
Once bacteria were eliminated as a cause of cancer a century
ago, it became dogma and impossible to change medical
opinion. In this current era of medical science, one would
think it impossible for infectious disease experts and
pathologists to not recognize bacteria in cancer. However,
bacteria can still pop up in diseases in which they were
When a new and deadly lung disease broke out among
legionnaires in Philadelphia in July 1976, two hundred
twenty-two people became ill and thirty-four died. The cause
of the killer lung disease remained a medical mystery for
over five months until Joe McDade at the Leprosy Branch of
the CDC detected unusual bacteria in guinea pigs
experimentally infected with lung tissue from the dead
legionnaires. Further modification of bacterial culture
methods finally allowed the isolation of the causative and
previously overlooked bacteria, now known as Legionella
Yet another example of dogma-defying research is provided by
recent studies proving that bacteria (Helicobacter pylori)
are a common cause of stomach ulcers, which can sometimes
lead to stomach cancer and lymphoma. For a century,
physicians refused to believe bacteria caused ulcers because
they thought bacteria could not live in the acid environment
of the stomach. In 2005 the Nobel Prize in Medicine was
awarded to two Australian researchers for their 1982
discovery. These stomach bacteria could only be detected by
use of special tissue stains. The CDC now claims that H.
pylori causes more than 90% of duodenal ulcers and 80% of
gastric ulcers. Approximately two-thirds of the world's
population is infected with these microbes.
In the past four years there have been medical reports of
newly discovered bacteria in serious lymph node disease; in
Hodgkin's lymphoma; in cancer of the mouth; and in prostate
cancer, to name only a few. All these studies prove bacteria
can pop up in diseases where they are least expected. Such a
caveat is appropriate for doctors who think they know
everything about cancer and who pooh-pooh all aspects of
cancer microbe research.
A CENTURY OF CANCER MICROBE RESEARCH
Livingston never claimed that she was the discoverer of the
microbe of cancer. In her writings she always gave credit to
various scientists, some dating back to the nineteenth
century, who attempted to prove that bacteria cause cancer.
Some of these remarkable researchers include the long-
forgotten cancer microbe studies of Scottish obstetrician
James Young, Chicago physician John Nuzum, Montana surgeon
James Scott, the infamous psychiatrist and cancer researcher
Wilhelm Reich, microscopist Raymond Royal Rife, and others
too numerous to mention.
This cancer microbe research has been explored in my books
The Cancer Microbe: The Hidden Killer in Cancer, AIDS, and
Other Immune Diseases  and in Four Women Against
Cancer: Bacteria, Cancer, and the Origin of Life
, the story of Livingston, Alexander-Jackson, Diller
and Seibert, four outstanding women scientists who attempted
to bring the cancer microbe to the attention of a
disinterested medical establishment. I was privileged to
have met all these remarkable women, who greatly influenced
my own cancer research.
Why is research exploring bacteria in cancer so strongly
opposed? Perhaps it poses a threat to the money interests
involved in the established and orthodox treatment for
cancer. Various forms of cancer treatment include surgery,
radiation and chemotherapy. These therapies might have to be
reevaluated if it were proven that cancer was an infectious
SUGGESTIONS FOR FURTHER INTERNET STUDY
Further information pertaining to cancer microbe research
(both pro and con) can be found by Googling: cancer microbe;
bacterial pleomorphism; cell wall deficient bacteria; "alan
cantwell"; "virginia livingston"; "Eleanor Alexander-
Jackson"; as well as other names and key words mentioned in
For a list of scientific publications pertaining to the
microbiology of cancer, go to the PubMed website hosted by
the National Institute of Health (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov) and
type in "Cantwell AR", "Livingston VW", "Alexander-Jackson
E", "Diller IC", "Seibert FB", etc. in the search box.
This short communication is unlikely to convince many health
professionals that bacteria cause cancer. However, after
four decades of studying cancer microbes in cancerous
tissue, I am personally convinced that Dr. Virginia
Livingston will one day be vindicated and recognized as one
of the greatest medical geniuses of the twentieth century.
Ralph W Moss, cancer advocate and author of The Cancer
Industry, notes her passing was =93a major loss to the
cancer world.=94 In the Cancer Chronicles #6, 1990, he
writes, =93Virginia Livingston was a great person and a
great scientist. Sadly, she never received the recognition
she deserved in her lifetime. The true scope of her
achievements will only become known in years to come.
This report honors the centennial of her birth which takes
place on December 28, 2006.
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[Dr. Alan Cantwell is a retired dermatologist and the author
of THE CANCER MICROBE and FOUR WOMEN AGAINST CANCER, both
available from Aries Rising Press, PO Box 29532, Los
Angeles, CA 90029 (www.ariesrisingpress.com). Email:
email@example.com. Abstracts of 30 published papers
can be found at the PubMed website ( type in Cantwell AR).
Many of his personal writings can be found on www.google.com
by using key words "alan cantwell" + articles. His books are
also available on www.amazon.com and through Book Clearing
House @ 1-800-431-1579] Virginia Livingston MD (1906-1990)
JCT: It sure would explain why those 600 doctors at the
1996 Urine Therapy Conference in India were claiming a 73%
cure rate for cancer! That's what got my attention. Once
"to treat cancer, "she utilized an 'autogenous' vaccine
derived from the patient's own cancer bacteria found in the
urine and blood."
That's where the kidneys get the cancer-killers, from out of
the blood for distribution to the outside world.
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