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Phineas T Puddleduck
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:36 pm    Post subject: Re: PHOTON MASS -- A FACT. MASSLESS PARTICLES -- NOT FACT. Reply with quote

In article <1151700402.787555.102530@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
Vert <avergon@verizon.net> wrote:

Quote:
Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
In article <vtKdnaHSC-jZuTjZnZ2dnUVZ8qKdnZ2d@pipex.net>, T Wake
Usenet.es7AT@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote in
message news:300620060152433853%phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM...
In article <1151628604.567665.74600@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, Vert
avergon@verizon.net> wrote:


VERGON
Yea! I'm with you. Well put. At least there are two of us here -- maybe
three.
Sad, isn't it?


Oh there's plenty more of you kooks in here. But the funny thing is,
neither of you can agree how wrong Einstein is. You're like the groups
in Life of Brian ....

I am the leaders of the Relativity Liberation Front, how dare you open a
discourse with the Peoples Liberation Front of Special Relativity...



SPLITTERS!!!!!!!!!

--
The greatest enemy of science is pseudoscience.

e=pc / p=hk

VERGON
Since there is no explanation to this nonsense, this post does not
merit an answer.


Then why post, fuckwit

ps p = hk
Quote:


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The greatest enemy of science is pseudoscience.

e=pc and p=hk

Jaffa cakes. Sweet delicious orangey jaffa goodness, and an abject lesson why
parroting information from the web will not teach you cosmology.

Official emperor of sci.physics, head mumbler of the "Cult of INSANE SCIENCE".
Please pay no attention to my butt poking forward, it is expanding.

Relf's Law?
"Bullshit repeated to the limit of infinity asymptotically approaches
the odour of roses."

--
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Jeff…Relf
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:49 am    Post subject: Taking the time to actually understand what I write. Reply with quote

Hi Tom Davidson, You told T_Wake:

Are you *encouraging* him to keep up the string of logical fallacies ?
As if he needs any encouragement...

I know your head hurts and all,
but you might benefit from taking the time to actually understand what I write
instead of just calling me silly names.
Of course I may not have the time or desire to explain it to you,
but you should at least hold off judgement
until you've made some serious effort.
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tadchem
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:03 am    Post subject: Re: Taking the time to actually understand what I write. Reply with quote

Jeff...Relf wrote:
Quote:
Hi Tom Davidson, You told T_Wake:

Are you *encouraging* him to keep up the string of logical fallacies ?
As if he needs any encouragement...

I know your head hurts and all,
but you might benefit from taking the time to actually understand what I write
instead of just calling me silly names.

I didn't use any silly names. You are overworking your imagination
again.

Quote:
Of course I may not have the time or desire to explain it to you,
but you should at least hold off judgement
until you've made some serious effort.

I made a serious effort to understand you long ago. What I understood
was not worth the effort. You still insist on posting messages with no
physics content to sci.physics in spite of all civil requests to
abstain.

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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tadchem
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:08 am    Post subject: Re: Taking the time to actually understand what I write. Reply with quote

Has it *yet* occurred to you that many here in the physics groups do
not care what you write because it fails to convey any physics?

You are usually involved in a personal confrontation with T Wake, who
seems to be the only one who can tolerate you for long.

Please get off the physics groups - at least until you try to learn a
little real physics (not that lame 60's 'New Age' metaphysics and
pseudoscience you have been spewing).

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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Phineas T Puddleduck
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Taking the time to actually understand what I write. Reply with quote

In article <Jeff_Relf_2006_Jul_3_7rFX@Cotse.NET>, JeffĶRelf
<Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

Quote:
Hi Tom Davidson, You told T_Wake:

Are you *encouraging* him to keep up the string of logical fallacies ?
As if he needs any encouragement...

I know your head hurts and all,
but you might benefit from taking the time to actually understand what I write
instead of just calling me silly names.
Of course I may not have the time or desire to explain it to you,
but you should at least hold off judgement
until you've made some serious effort.

You first.

--
Relf's Law? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
"Bullshit repeated to the limit of infinity asymptotically approaches
the odour of roses."
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Jaffa cakes. Sweet delicious orangey jaffa goodness, and an abject lesson why
parroting information from the web will not teach you cosmology.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Official emperor of sci.physics, head mumbler of the "Cult of INSANE SCIENCE".
Please pay no attention to my butt poking forward, it is expanding.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
PWNER of Vert and TomGee since 2006
"I don't know that much math." - tomgee; 2 April 2006
"I don't claim to know what I'm talking about" - tomgee; 10 May 2006
PWNED

"Puddlefuck tou are on my kill file. Good bye" - Vert admits he cannot
calculate \gamma for a photon and admits defeat - 2nd July 2006
PWNED

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T Wake
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Taking the time to actually understand what I write. Reply with quote

"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2006_Jul_3_7rFX@Cotse.NET...
Quote:
Hi Tom Davidson, You told T_Wake:

Are you *encouraging* him to keep up the string of logical fallacies ?
As if he needs any encouragement...

I know your head hurts and all,
but you might benefit from taking the time to actually understand what I
write
instead of just calling me silly names.

Hi Maroon.

What names did he call you? I call you lots of names, mostly accurate but I
will admit I am probably off base with the diagnose of your mental
disorders.

Quote:
Of course I may not have the time or desire to explain it to you,
but you should at least hold off judgement
until you've made some serious effort.

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Jeff…Relf
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Posts: 114

PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:24 am    Post subject: I invite any and all to plonk me, both in life and on Usenet. Reply with quote

Hi Duckie, You told me:

Thats really got to you. You hate the fact that people think you're not
worth listening too. Do the girls in the coffee shop smile sweetly
while they tare at their feet waiting for the looney to go away?

I'm not as social as all that. I don't hang out in coffee shops or bars,
and I invite any and all to plonk me, both in life and on Usenet.
Miranda, for example, is a very sexy/intelligent woman
who used to keep her stuff in my room, the landlord/tenants complained
several times about it so I told her repeatedly, for weeks on end,
to move here stuff out... eventually I tossed it all out.
She wasn't mad at me for that,
but she bitched at her boyfriend Shawn; who, in turn, bitched at me.
I'm simply not allowed to have frequent guests who aren't on the lease.
As for sex, I can take it or leave it,
it's just not that big of a deal anymore.
Kids might be nice, but I can barely afford rent as it is,
and working more hours doesn't really appeal to me.
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yt56erd
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Joined: 13 May 2005
Posts: 313

PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:28 am    Post subject: Re: I invite any and all to plonk me, both in life and on Usenet. Reply with quote

Jeff...FuckingRetard Relf wrote:
Quote:
Hi Duckie, You told me:

You are a stupid tit. you cant even work out how to reply to posts
properly. you ignorant cunt.

Quote:
I'm not as social as all that. I don't hang out in coffee shops or bars,
and I invite any and all to plonk me, both in life and on Usenet.

you arent fucking social because you are a parasitic leech with no
fucking social skills. no one likes you. you think this makes you cool
but it just marks you are a fucking pathetic looser.

Quote:
Miranda, for example, is a very sexy/intelligent woman
who used to keep her stuff in my room, the landlord/tenants complained
several times about it so I told her repeatedly, for weeks on end,
to move here stuff out... eventually I tossed it all out.

what the f*** does that have to do with you inviting her to plonk you.
you frigging idiot.

Quote:
She wasn't mad at me for that,
but she bitched at her boyfriend Shawn; who, in turn, bitched at me.

well, he is obviously as much of a pathetic cunt as you are. i would
have broken your wortheless jaw and fingers.

Quote:
I'm simply not allowed to have frequent guests who aren't on the lease.

so what? what the f*** did any of that have to do with your ridiculous
"plonk" comment. seriously, how fucking stupid are you?

Quote:
As for sex, I can take it or leave it,

whatever.

Quote:
it's just not that big of a deal anymore.
Kids might be nice, but I can barely afford rent as it is,
and working more hours doesn't really appeal to me.

well if you were actually decent at your frigging job you would get
paid more than minimum wage. as it stands, people on welfare get
more...
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sdr
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Joined: 27 Jun 2005
Posts: 82

PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: The Achilles Heel of String Theory. Reply with quote

Virgil wrote:
Quote:
In article <1152073768.049686.46360@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com wrote:

Bill Hobba wroteth:
"S D Rodrian" <sdr@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
news:44AAB880.2040906@sdrodrian.com...
The Achilles Heel of String Theory.

The instant the term "dimensions" ["the number of
elements in a basis of a vector space," "the quality
of spatial extension] is used in any text to describe
anything which might exist apart from our reality
(universe)... you can be certain it is a science-
fiction text, and NOT science (as "the systematic
study of reality").


HINT: If it exists inside our 3-D reality, there is no
need for it to exist outside it.

As you have referred to reality in terms of dimensions, your "3
dimensional reality" is, by your own assessment, relegated to science
fiction.

"One cannot say, 'Him pulled the trigger!'"
--But, gee, Boss: You just said it!

The term "dimensions" is not only used in science and
mathematics but commonly. As in, "the dimensions of
this box are not enough." (I also need a sandwitch.)

But my point stands: It is ALWAYS an absurdity
when anyone limits (sets a number to) "dimensions."
And the number (which number) is irrelevant.

S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
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T Wake
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:44 pm    Post subject: Re: I invite any and all to plonk me, both in life and on Usenet. Reply with quote

"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2006_Jul_4_S2V8@Cotse.NET...
Quote:
Hi Duckie, You told me:

Thats really got to you. You hate the fact that people think you're not
worth listening too. Do the girls in the coffee shop smile sweetly
while they tare at their feet waiting for the looney to go away?

I'm not as social as all that. I don't hang out in coffee shops or bars,

I am sure you don't. That would require at least a basic level of personal
hygiene.

Quote:
and I invite any and all to plonk me, both in life and on Usenet.

If you want to be "plonked" why post? Why not just write text files on your
PC and pretend the whole world has kill filed you?

<snip pointless crap>
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Archie Leach
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: I invite any and all to plonk me, both in life and on Usenet. Reply with quote

JeffRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

Quote:
Hi Duckie, You told me:

Thats really got to you. You hate the fact that people think you're not
worth listening too. Do the girls in the coffee shop smile sweetly
while they tare at their feet waiting for the looney to go away?

I'm not as social as all that. I don't hang out in coffee shops or bars,
and I invite any and all to plonk me, both in life and on Usenet.

I invite you to go plonk yourself.

Quote:
Miranda, for example, is a very sexy/intelligent woman
who used to keep her stuff in my room, the landlord/tenants complained
several times about it so I told her repeatedly, for weeks on end,
to move here stuff out... eventually I tossed it all out.
She wasn't mad at me for that,
but she bitched at her boyfriend Shawn; who, in turn, bitched at me.
I'm simply not allowed to have frequent guests who aren't on the lease.
As for sex, I can take it or leave it,
it's just not that big of a deal anymore.
Kids might be nice, but I can barely afford rent as it is,
and working more hours doesn't really appeal to me.

A little concept you may or may not have heard of:

TMI
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T Wake
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Posts: 1978

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Moving Dimensions Theory!! Rock On!! Reply with quote

<drelliot@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152201145.304114.325940@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
Hello All,
Please respect that Moving Dimensions Theory is just a theory.
I look forward to feedback and insights regarding its logic.

Can I bill you for the time?
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sdr
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:21 pm    Post subject: Re: The Achilles Heel of String Theory. Reply with quote

EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
Quote:
In sci.physics.electromag Bill
Hobba <rubbish@junk.com> wrote:

Rest of usual very long winded
semantic junk snipped.

I too think that this is semantics.

Yup, this is indeed "the study of meaning."
Unless your usage is the reprehensibly vulgar
"propaganda."

Quote:
The definition of reality, for
example, limits the possibilities.

If we do not define reality... we are mad.
It is our social agreement on the purpose/use
(et al) of things (including ourselves)
which makes them sensible.

Think of a dog's brain, and what he makes of
the items in his master's house: Since most of
those items have no "dog use" they must not
register as they do to us. Therefore your dog
must think that you live in a heap of trash, a
clean, a synthetically perfumed dump. (Which
is why most dogs puzzle eternaly over their masters'
objection to their crapping all over the place, I'm
sure: "It's just a dump, forheavens'sake! Wolf!")

Reality is all. And we can hardly go about
thinking everything at the same time, now can we!

Quote:
Additionally, there is an underlying
assumption that human senses can
completely discern all existing dimensions,
which is an unproven assumption.

This happens when you come in late into the
conversation: You are assuming that there are
such things as mathematical dimensions in
the universe apart from "our" three! This is a
bum assumption [that our reality is confined
to three dimensions] ... but if you go back up
this thread of posts you will eventually reach
the part where I point out your insanity (that's
my job). And then you too shall be cured!

Quote:
I'd appreciate comments on these observations
by the OP.

OP
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
http://mp3.sdrodrian.com


Quote:
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
--Edward R. Murrow

A nation of wolves will make a bloody mess of any/all
governments proposed for them. ---S D Rodrian



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dda1
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Moving Dimensions Theory!! Rock On!! - The Fucking Troll is Back Reply with quote

drelliot@gmail.com wrote:


<snipped>

aren't you the fucking troll who posted few months back claimig that
you are a "researcher" at Stanford only to be exposed as a fraud? Of
course you are, do you think we forgot, shithead?

You are in dire need of serious therapy, kook.
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sdr
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:52 pm    Post subject: Re: The Achilles Heel of String Theory. Reply with quote

EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote:

Quote:
I cannot agree that "social agreement ... makes [things] sensible".

Please talk it over with your dog. And you'llassie I'm right.

Quote:
Additionally, that which is not sensible may nevertheless be real. Many
wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation are not sensible, and were
unknown prior to the invention of certain machines. Nevertheless, they
are real.

I think you're confusing cotton candy with radiation:

All that existed before man existed. And all
that will exist after Man will exist. But nobody
made change for a dollar before Man, and no-
body will laugh at a good joke after Man (nor
at a bad one, smarty pants). --SDR

Quote:
The same may hold true for spatial dimensions in excess of 3.

May I speak with your dog? I think it might be
more sensible...

Could I be more specific about what I mean?
Let's try:
NOTHING CAN BE LIMITED TO
"ANY" NUMBER OF DIMENSIONS.

If one abstracts the least single dimension from ANYTHING
it effectivey removes that something from reality. And then
you are talking fantasy (science-fiction).

Self-evidently, this must include ANY/ALL "dimension(s)"
which EXCLUDE ANY OTHER "dimension(s)."

PLEASE RE-READ this thread from the original post!

String theory is marvelous mathematics. But if ANY part of it
depends on the existence of Santy Claus, then it has NO
connection with reality PERIOD. And since string theory
can only balance its equations by piling on extraneous (e.g.
impossible) "dimensions" it is pure FICTION--"pure/absolute."

Quote:
Additionally, there is an underlying
assumption that human senses can
completely discern all existing dimensions,
which is an unproven assumption.

This happens when you come in late into the
conversation: You are assuming that there are
such things as mathematical dimensions in
the universe apart from "our" three!

No, not quite. I am assuming that the possibility exists that there are
more than 3 spatial dimension.

And I am telling you there ain't nothin' that ain't made up
of all the innumerable (look up that word in a book called
The Dictionary) dimensions of our reality.

IF SOMETING LACKS EXISTENCE IN ANY
DIMENSION (or part thereof) IT CANNOT EXIST.
(And if something exists in one or more dimension
than those of our reality... then those so-called other
"dimensions" are superflous: PURE FANTASY.)

String Theory is pure mathematics ONLY. Get over it.
Rejoice, in fact. Now you won't have to waste your life
trying to figure out how string theory governs life!

Quote:
? I have no strong opinion on whether such
dimensions are real.

Then prey tell, what be U doing in this conversation?

Quote:
I concede that they are not presently sensible. I
hold open the possibility that, with unknown technology, they may become
sensible.

What about ghosts? And pixies? And gods? And
those beings that consist only of unglued eyes with ears
stuck to them...?

S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
http://mp3.sdrodrian.com
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