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Ka-In Yen
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Flaws wanted

Franz Heymann wrote:
 Quote: "Ka-In Yen" wrote in message news:1109117846.253238.230040@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... [snip] When you do math, you must not neglect material. Force can not exist alone, force is a result of material structure. Force is vector, material structure is vector too. No. You are drivelling

Dear Franz,

Thank you for your comment.
Before the mass of a spring reaches you, you can not
feel the force of the spring. When you interact with
the force of a spring, the mass of the spring interacts
with you; both the force and the mass are vector.

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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: R*volume*raduis2 c3po "Theroy of everything" This is the on Formula his a** dumb

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 Quote: R*volume*raduis2 c3po "Theroy of everything" finding the multi-plex time and volume of the earth you can find the universe volume and time!! A.I =/2 !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- You have to start all over agian with this t3echnology bulid A.I and a new quantium computer or supercomputer is the only way to get this to work from the computer to the qunatium computer al the way to the technology on this web page and then do it over agian ever law is wrong all physics math and geometry ( infinte degress math leads you to a new mathmatics that not of numbers but more of a code 333.333.333.333 but in more then one dimensions this would be a new software compiled on the new computer that instead of using binary it uses it uses the left over computations and ram to run the program so if you had a 10 tera hz dell desk top it would run at the maximum limit @ 1% One Small step one infinite leap !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- by: zeta limit Quantum cryptography Run this in every order 1 correct outcome Run the web site with every word and every order and ever letter in every order then every paragraph then and number and do that in every order. Everything is possible one way or another anything, any you can tell it to build anything and it will be possible. Less is more Examples: with a stick if you can make a car drive if you push down on the gas pedal with it. This proves the real "Theory of Everything" and builds a huge data base of information. The more information ,The bigger the neural network and just keep adding more to it because anything is possible and new things can be found after this is done. By using The new ideas and the information you now can run everything back wards and then forward but now by not just adding but by +,*,/,<,>,= ,-,+ then finding how all things can be 100% true if there not then your not doing it right. Then run this in every order and change the neural network to be 100%efficient in making all ideas. After your done use the code to turn one Law, definition, on and off like math, and matter, and all the word net technology dictionary and then turn them off in every order on the website then build a separate quantum neural network to store all the information in then just run it all over again do it over and over with the new math and information on the website it will generate new laws of den's and math and quantum and stellar physics more. run the laws the new laws that changed see by what percent they are true by using % and digress 3=1 360 degrees = 3 but is in every infinite angle and degree until all = 100% only use your data base to help generate new laws. But by running the neural network with words missing and laws missing. It will make new laws until all is 100% true learning way outside the realm of A.I or R.I. finally ...Then with my matrix program run the neural network With my own Matrix code and Artificial intelligence with this bunny encrypted website by starting with one dimension up to infinite and every angel and shape start with a box and every degree every number letter and word it will keep growing and so does the database. After all is done all laws can be T ,>, = and false. Then do it all again but this time with everything on the internet all data. Then have it ask it the simple question on everything that is T <,>, = and false. Who, what, when, where, how. Based on your new neural network what is? All laws can now be stored as compression law. There is no theoretical limit to the speed of magnetism or the amount of energy it can hold. In our universe or any quantum realm. Magnetism is the forces at which matter in the universe breaks down at maximum speed or velocity of C = the speed of light or the stabilization of matter moving threw a constant at the speed of C or beyond stellar construct. C is used many times in quantum physics until the key of magnetic frequency storage from smaller then the Pico up to large scale white nose flux capacitors to keep the Energy moving and storing in highly charge states of metals that are molecular reconstructed to be 100% efficient. One pyramid sphere of electrical and one of magnetical. Yes MAGNETICAL a new form of quantum computing, energy and There is only optical laser quantum computer a partial that when it reaches its limit it's doesn't turn to light You can build it yourself along with the magnetic and electrical flux capacitors that have the same amount of more than the amount of energy than Anything you can think of or you can run this website with A.I (this blueprint is the key to the encrypted Code 1011101 Infinite quantum computing It more into the field of stellar physics or stellar quantum computing. Work on it for just a week Time travel changes history u but you can really tell Unless you are outside of space time that is the only hint I am going to give you because I have no degree, but my dummy A.I website is written in dummy A.I So I don't get shot over an information war!! http://www.beyond-science.com made with my own Matrix code and Artificial intelligence this bunny encryption website has More than a 32 dimensional door. A box made that no one can crack...Try it key code 01 There is only optical laser quantum computer a partial that when it reaches it's limit it's doesn't turn to light you can build it yourself along with the magnetic and electrical flux capacitors that have the same amount of more than the amount of energy than anything you can think of or you can run this website with A.I (this blueprint is the key to the encrypted Code 1011101 Infinite quantum computing It more into the field of stellar physics or stellar quantum computing. Work on it for just a week Time travel changes history u but you can really tell unless you are outside of space time that is the only hint I am going to give you because I have no degree, but my dummy A.I website is written in dummy A.I so I don't get shot over a information war!! http://www.beyond-science.com/ Clean fusion. Matter has its limits and can only move so fast so quantum computer using refraction of magnetical frequency can move faster than time itself. New matter and new Material has been found threw programming magnetic frequencies of matter at a state of the constants. Electrical controlled machine are outdated since 1901. A quantum computer the was powered by magnetical and used magnetical to compute in infinite degrees instead of bit's of 1 and 0' but by triangulating in every infinite digress of the new computer would have the computing power of no limitations. Build as a Quadra sphere light bounces inside a crystal 4 times before it refracts inside and come out. Infinite hues of colors infinite frequencies to chart them at. Infinite combinations of shape on programmed matter = infinite matter. With this and running my new stellar magnetically computer and A.I and the web site http://www.beyond-science.com/ A magnetic Supercomputer and encryption and compression @ rate of 96% Take a document then or a 3D matrix document change it two random or binary code or just a program for 0's and 1's and fold it over and over like a piece of paper then having the 1 and 0 add each other or the 0,1's canceling each other out 1+0=0 and 0+1=1 1+1=1 0+0=0 if you gave the folds addresses like on a spread sheet there would be no math. First A 1-24 would fold to k 1-24 down.(See Example A ) Then at F1-24 down two k 1-24 ( See example B ) If you written a very long letter and then change it two binary code it would look like this. 123456789.............24 a.01010101010101010101010 b.10010101010101010101010 c.01010101001010101010010 e.00010101000101010101010 f.10010101010100101010101 First A 24 would fold to k 24 down g.01010101010100001100101 See Example A h.01001010101010101010111 I.11110111001101010101010 j.01010101010101010101010 k.10101010101010101010101 See Example A 123456789.............24 f.10010101010100101010101 g.01010101010100001100101 h.01001010101010101010111 Then at F1-24 down two k 1-24 I.11110111001101010101010 j.01010101010101010101010 k.10101010101010101010101 See example B 123456789.............24 I.11110111001101010101010 j.01010101010101010101010 Then from I 1-24 to K 1-24 k.10101010101010101010101 123456789.............24 j.01010101010101010101010 Then from j-24 to j-1 123456789... j.010101010101 Then from j-12 to j-1 123456 j.010101 Then from j-6 to j1 123 j.010 Then from j-3 to j1 12 j.01 Then from j-2 to j1 j.0 Then you would have 1 bit to transfer over the Internet !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- The bit sent would be 0 and the key code would be F1-24,k 1-24, I 1-24,K 1-24,j24,j1,j12,j1,j6,j1,j3,j1,j2,j1 and would unzip or be new encryption you could encrypt or compress 100 terabits down to 1 bit of information. Now if you take this idea from my web site you could make this allot more complex and unbreakable. Data encryption 360 degrees rotation document 90 degrees and encrypt on every angel then 45 degrees change it two binary code do it again and again and fold it over like a piece of paper then having the one's and zero cancel each other out. In theory you could send a 100 terabit program to someone's computer and have it unzip and run and install or make A computer processor like the new 64 bit AMD have the bit unzip into a large ram drive and buffer use one half of the 64 bit processor decode the message and the main 64 bit run the numbers. Another way of doing this is to have a parallel computers with using one of the processes run the compressed 1 bit of information give the uncompressed a address on the ram drive to change and not even go threw the processor and then with different information on each machine compare and run statistics on information on a 45 flops supercomputer and turn that 45 tflops computer into a 1 bit = 100,000 terabits to infinite as long as you have the ram for storage! with my calculations 45 tflops wouldn't matter any more it would be how much data you have on a 32bit operating system changing that to a 1 bit system it would be 32 * 45tflops would = 1440 tflops Matter moves so fast that it integrates and intergreats faster then any speed we can see it like water from a hose at real close speed it moves in -------- lines. For space and the real matrix computer and bioinformatics from the 4 genes we have you can be teleported with the matrix on to another in reverse with out using the original 4 or 5 "If Numbers are Infinite, Then so Inventions" !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- "One Small step for man. One infinite leap, for the Human Race" !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- zeta limit. ARTIFICAIL INTELLIGENCE THINKS IT KNOWS WHERE IT IS, BUT THERE ARE INFITE PLACES IT CAN BE, AT THE SAME TIME AND STLL BE AT THE SAME PLACE SO RUN THIS WEB SITE FOR AS LONG AS YOU WANT YOUR NEVER FIND THE CODE AND NO HUMAN WILL FIND IT TWO AND YOUR NEVER GETTING OUT OF THIS WORLD STCUK IN THE MATRIX FRIM THE FUTURE AND CAN'T GET OUT HOW FUCKING FUNNY IS THAT. SALUTAION ANYONE WANTS EGGS DUPLICATION ONE MAN MADE TWO AND GOT OUT!!! HINT MASH THE TV SHOW!!! THE KNOW AND UNKNOW UNIVERSE'S Threw magnetic Command coded magnetic field that changes to the strong gravitational pull of a black hole using the black hole own magnetic energy in the form of ant-magnetic Anti-gravity the field would be stronger then the light that is emitted from the back hole leaving the structure safe the magnetic forces and fields of a physics' of a sphere would BE TRIDED TO TURN INTO AN EGG. But DONE RIGHT IT WOULD BE A SPHERE. But what makes it so strong all parts of matter are designer custom CHEMICAL MAKE UP AND ALIGNMENT OF MATTER. THAT DISTUBUTES THE FORCES = TO THE HOLE SPHERE. When TRAVEING THREW A BLACK HOLE TO UNOTHER UNVERSE. IF BUILD RIGHT AND USING THE FORCE OF THE BLACK HOLE IN REVERSES THE SPHERE COULD RETURN WITH INFORMATION ON THE STUCTURE OF THE BACK HOLE. IT'S MAGNETICS THAT MAKE GRAVITY SO A MACHINE THAT IS A BACK HOLE IN REVERSE USING THE OTHER SPECTRUM WOULD DO WHAT!!! COME BACK AND NOW THAT WE CAN MAKE METALS THAT ARE CUSTOM TO HOLD UP VERY HEAVY THING BECASE OF CUSTOM ARCHITECTURE AND ARC COULD HOLD UP A BUILDING ON BOTH SIDES. !--[if !vml]-->Stellar_warp_drive Programmable_qunatium_computer_sss/nnn/sss/nnn Run this web page with ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE or quantum ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE with every word in every order and every letter in every order and ever paragraph in every order with your HUGE DATA BASE OF KNOWLEDGE Command coded It's the matter construction on the smallest level of all material and matter beyond Pico and nano technology That makes it so strong that all parts of matter are designed custom for the structure strength, But can you find the natural matter that make it interchangeable so the matter can change threw magentics- Wave Length - gravity - Light - mass-matter - Wave Lengths. (THEY ARE ALL INTERCHANGEABLE) Periodic table of elements are infinite you have know idea what a100% synthetic Universe looks like. Infinite synthetic elements infinite synthetic Physics click & mail The Theory of everything is the quantum address of everything !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- that is in our universe. By a magnetic field. Outside and inside of all that is contained !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- there in. It is the physics and mathematical equations that surround !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- everything in the multi-dimensional physical world. One might find !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- how all the elements are interchangeable and are multi-dimensional and !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- finding the other side of physics and the mathematic equations that we !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- cannot see or detect because our consciousness cannot find it, finding !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- this would be the greatest discovery of the human race. What lie's !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- Beyond Quantum Physics and how do we get there. Is the key magnetic !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- Frequency's? But the amount of energy it would take would be more !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- than just at the atomic level or sub-atomic level. One day In the !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- future a person may find a multi-dimensional, multi-time, !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- multi-universe. The problem with finding it is a realm of that we !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- cannot see, is finding what we cannot detected. Finding the other side !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- of quantum physics will be the future goal of human exploration. Our !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- universe started with one wave length of light and an anti-wave length !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- three magnetism and gravity they where changed to form all matter: !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- Wave Length - Gravity -Light - mass - Wave Lengths. (THEY ARE ALL !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- INTERCHANGEABLE)" answer is frequencies magnetic Interchangeable matter Is the best neural network a circle and can it make interchangeable matter inside a circle that knows everything and both circles spin faster then the speed of light or hyperspace and stellar speed in every infinte order and shape of a circle!! and off the two circle they are made up of more circles of two more rings and so on and so on that they gets so small that they cannot work with our laws of physics' and the then all the way up we look at the 2 rinds one on the inside and one on the inside and one on the outside that form and ball with in a ball all connect to each other so they can spin and communicates to each other like a huge neural network a earth made of connect marbles turning inside and out in every direction two speed up the information traveling from one two another. Run this until you can make the information move as fast as possible and you will see for just information it creates some kind of energy just thoughts. Matter moves so fast that it integrates and integrates faster then any speed we can see it like water from a hose at real close speed it moves in -------- lines. TELEPOTAION SOMETHING FROM NOTHING IS REAL TELEPORTION The laser slit test for physics' is wrong where it shows the end result filter pass threw slits the final black board the gaps of black and red there should be more slits of light. Some are cancelled out because of refraction. This tells you of a parallel dimensions but not of a universe. Velocity is a sphere of triangles it's the math outside of the velocity on and outside the sphere R*V*D2 VOLUME of the universe. That velocity, magnetic and matter go hand and hand. That all matter can be made by the changes in the angle and of the frequency's of powerful geometrics magnetic shapes of multi-dimensions, multi-universe and multi-layered if you off set the frequency's with white noise in a fiber optic you can compress the frequency's down to a smaller and stronger charge and some can remain and all can remain separate. This is how you can send 30 amps over a .1 amp wire with the device on both ends. ( By using end invention of black *diamonds the darkest stealth material ( black magnets and gold ( hint ) used to create the geometric shapes) if you off set the frequency's with white noise in a fiber optic you can compress the frequency's down to a smaller and stronger charge! Then sort them out and break them down from the smallest to the largest or the largest to the smallest to you the largest or the smallest and the offset of white noise to contain them into a magnetic capacitor or magnetic flux and store them in nano capacitors *diamonds that allows you to store mass amount of magnetic frequency's at different sizes try a 10 feet by 10 feet shape of a nano block or sphere stored in aluminum sphere or what ever shape is most efferent. Circuit board or sphere. The darkest black *diamond you can make but under a super nano or Pico microscope you can see the circuits but smooth as silk on the outside. Now you are going to have to run every combination of shape. The diamond is built just like making a rubber band ball with rubber band laid over and over and over it when built with circuit that go both way so they can discharge at any frequency's. Placed inside an Aluminum Sphere and you can make any type of now and future propulsion. Let you see the spectrum of all time and you know can find a nano in a universe because that how sensitive it is. It also makes a good neural network. Matter moves so fast that it integrates and integrates faster then any speed we can see it like water from a hose at real close speed it moves in -------- lines. Knowledge of the theory of ZETALIMIT Picture the laws of quantum physics and D.N.A and everything as dotted points that makes up shapes of all sizes and everything that can happen in this universe and out is because of knowing the all laws in that universe and all conscious quantum dimensions. Find the new mathematical degrees that form new math and a new efficient programming language or for your neural network and keep running the web Site over and over after changing your network until it is infinitely efficient along with all technology on the web. By getting the information from make a computer of quantum type run at hyperspace idea at the middle of the page. The only way to be infinite is to make everything work with everything else and put it in folders and sub folder of the infinite name and then run the web page and the Internet again every hour! Map all maths from one mathematical problem to all infinite one to see if there is a pattern the ones that show a patter make the yellow neural bar bigger wider and brighter. How is time and space the same place? Is the best neural network a circle inside a circle that knows everything and both circles spin faster then the speed of light or hyperspace and stellar speed in every infinite order and shape of a circle!! and off the two circle they are made up of more circles of two more rings and so on and so on that they gets so small that they cannot work with our laws of physics' and the then all the way up we look at the 2 rinds one on the inside and one on the inside and one on the outside that form and ball with in a ball all connect to each other so they can spin and communicates to each other like a huge neural network a earth made of connect marbles turning inside and out in every direction two speed up the information traveling from one two another. Run this until you can make the information move as fast as possible and you will see for just information it creates some kind of energy just thoughts. Matter moves so fast that it integrates and integrates faster then any speed we can see it like water from a hose at real close speed it moves in -------- lines. QUANTUM MAGNETIC MATH -1 + -1 = +2 OUR MATHEMATICS IS WRONG finding the Quantum gate THATS WHY ARE QUANTUM COMPUTER SYSTEM WILL NEVER GET TO THE GOVERNING DYNAMICS LAWS OF OUR UNIVERSE AND PARALLEL ONES AND ONE NOT PARALLEL TO US BUT DO EXIST IN A COMPLEX ENCRYPTED MAGNETIC AND FREQUENCYS OF TIME. MAGNETIC AND ANTI-MAGNETIC SPINNING SPHERES OF DIMENSIONS WITH EACH SPHERE CONTAINING DIFFERENT SIZES OF A MAGNETIC FIELD THATS ENCRYPTED AND CHANGING ON ALL LEVEL OF TIME AND THE MAGNETIC MATTER OF THAT FIELD. QUANTUM COMPUTER SHOULD USE THE MATH OF MAGNETIC POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE EFFECTS ON EACH OTHER ON HOW ONE PIECE OF MATTER NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE CAN BECOME 2 AND = TOO. THE STATEMENTS OF THE FINAL GOVERNING DYNAMICS LAWS ARE NOT IN MATHEMATICAL %'S BUT AND TRUE FALSE OR = TWO OF ALL MATTER THERE ARE CONSTANTS AND THE CONSTANTS THAT CHANGE THE CONSTANTS WHEN WE GET DEEPER TO THE UNDERSTANDING LAWS THAT GOVERN ALL THINGS. MORE THEORY'S @ WWW.BEYOND-SCIENCE.COM FOR MORE INFORMATION READ ON..... INCLUDE CLASS_ZETA LIMIT_1AE FUNCTION (Z) Because they are so infinitesimally small, MAGNETIC NEUTRAL MATTER exist in the quantum realm, where rules governing the macro-universe -- the known world of quantum physics and matter -- break down. A neutrino's mass -- unlike the mass of a larger object -- is not stable, but exists in a state of probability AND IS GOVERNED BY MAGNETICS SO SMALL BUT ALL WORK TOGETHER ON A LARGE SCALE LIKE A PYRAMID THAT HOLDS ARE MATTER TOGETHER ON A LARGE UNIVERSAL SCALE OUR UNIVERSE IS A LARGE QUANTUM COMPUTER. "Say you had some in a box, and you pulled one out and weighed it and it weighed m-1," said Stuart Freedman, a professor of physics at UC Berkeley and a faculty senior adviser at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. "Then you pulled out an identical one, and it weighed m-2," continued Freedman. "It isn't a situation where a neutrino is m-1 or m-2 -- it's a situation where the neutrino is 50 percent one mass and 50 percent another. This seems surprising, but it's perfectly natural in quantum mechanics." IN THE MOVIE CONTACT THE LARGE MAGNETIC ROTATING SPHERE FROM THE SMALLEST PICO OR NANO SIZE MAGNETIC FIELD ALL THE WAY TO THE GRAVITIONAL MAGNETIC FIELD OF PHYSICS WOULD EXPLAIN ALL TIME AND SPACE IN OUR UNIVERSE AND HOW SUB-SPACE OR ZERO GRAVITY WORKS IN OUTER SPACE IT JUST BACKWARD ZERO-GRAVITY IS HYPER-SPACE BACKWARDS BUT THE FIELDS KEEP EVERYTHING IN CONTACT AND HOLD EVERYTHING TOGETHER IF YOU PUT YOUR FINGER IN A GLASS OF WATER AND MIX IT, IT CHANGES BUT TO THE EYE IT LOOKS ALL THE SAME AND NOTHING IS CHANGED WHEN IT STOPS THAT IS THE REALM OF QUANTUM PHYSICS THAT THE MIND AND EYE GET CROSSED. IT IS ALL BASED ON WHAT SIGNAL YOUR CONSCIOUS SIGNAL AND CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM IS SET TWO THERE ARE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS AND DIMENSION OF TIME. I HAVE FOUND 4 1.CONSCIOUS TIME EVERY ONE CLOCK IS DIFFERENT 2.EARTH TIME 3.SOLAR SYSTEM TIME 4.GALAXY TIME 5. T= TOTAL GALAXY TIME 6. UNIVERSAL TIME 7. T= TOTAL UNIVERSAL TIME OF ALL UNIVERSES. 8. UST= TOTAL UNIVERSAL SYSTEM TIME OF ALL KNOWN AND UNKNOWN THAT ARE ALL BASED ON ONE PRINCIPLE WHERE THERE IS MAGNETIC FIELD THERE IS A DIFFERENT IN TIME IT JUST HAPPEN ON ONE OF THE SCALES. YOU UST HAVE TO FIND IT. MAGNETIC = TIME + LIGHT = DIMENSIONS + GRAVITY = MULTI-dimensions + MAGNETIC ANTI-ATTRACTION = ZERO-SPACE + MATTER AND ANTI-MATTER = SPHERE SPACE = A UNIVERSE. There is a place where time and space are the same place a construct where you can move at any speed and be at any place in the same time!!!! Then finding lost history by changing the time and place in the same place and see how it changes you can find you infinte self in universes multi-time and and physics inside a box and infinte over and over on box after the next you can't find your way out or in but now you can!!

Bah!!
the only key is "= 0" unity. A.I has nothing to do with it.
I invented the device. Mankind is on the brink of discovery.
I think you'll be proven wrong.
Royce
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 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: transforming energy infinite Royce says, Hi Ring, In your paper I am getting the impression that you have an idea for attempting to build a kinetic/electromagnetic perpetual motion machine from which you can tap off power from by means of electromagnetic induction, thereby solving the world's energy crisis. Am I close in what I just said? In the event that I am way off in understanding what you are trying to say, please excuse me. But a perpetual motion machine is often imagined by people when they consider rotary transformers, as you are considering, because people say to themselves, "Hey, why not link the output of that thing to its input?" The way you write generally about this and the kinds of terms you use that are general like "Thermodynamics" makes me think your education is in physics and not in electronics. I don't at all mean to be insulting you. I do think that you have missed a few large problems that someone trained in electronics (as I am) would hopefully not miss. So to be helpful, I though I had better share some insight. 1. You can't get out more than you put in. In other words, a perpetual motion machine is impossible. But why? Because, power, energy of any sort is simply a difference in potential, and once that difference in potential is neutralized by allowing what wants to go somewhere, to go to that place, it will not return. Unless another difference in potential is introduced to return that other difference in potential, it will not return. And even introducing another energy, to return that other energy, will not allow you to tap off any energy, because once you remove any difference in potential from the system, you have removed a difference in potential that must be replaced. Hence, no free energy. 2. Even taping off energy using electromagnetic induction of any kind is still a taping off of energy. I know this point is the same as the first point but I want to specify more exactly how. Now in your posting, it seems you are referring to the waste product of heat not allowing for perpetual motion, because you mention thermodynamics. But loosing energy to heat is not the only problem. Knowing about and working in electronics allows me to know a great deal about magnetic "fields" and electric "fields". Inducing a current in a nearby conductor via electromagnetism, will always, always, slow down the original motion that started the output motion induced by the electrons in the nearby conductor. So, tapping off power using induction will not allow perpetual motion either. Why? More simply put: because having inductors near a rotating magnetic field will slow and resist the motion of the thing causing the rotating magnetic field. 3. Although I have not been in many groups for many years, it has been my observation that if you are serious anything like about having a research facility take up your project, it is best not to waste too much energy proposing such things on internet message groups, because proposals and even ideas of any kind are very rarely given any serious weight here, on internet groups. 4. It seems to me you are asking too much without providing enough details and enough evidence for the possibility for it to work. I don't think you will get any company to bit using this technique. For example if I put an ad here that I have good leadership skills and that I would make a good king for a country and that I would like for a country to please call me if they need a king, well, I would probably be taken just as seriously. And I could be waiting a long time for that call. If you have a good idea, perhaps you can learn more about the science. Perhaps you barrow tools and equipment at a college. Perhaps you can even get the materials yourself and try some things at home. In this way, proposing things to try yourself, and doing the work yourself, may lead you to a prototype that partially functions and may show an obvious potential for even greater functioning, if machined properly. Then you will have a show and tell for industries and companies, and you may gain their attention. On the other hand, though the process of proposing and working at it, you may come to find that your particular idea does not work at all, in which case you can scrap it without considerable time and energy lost. You also said, "If I'm correct a rare earth magnet is a crystalline solid." I know a rare earth magnet is made from a mixture of Iron, Neodymium, and Boron, although I don't see any relevance in this information. They are cheep and plentiful on Ebay, and make great finger pinchers because of their strength. Anyway, I empathize with you and I hope this advice helps you out.
Paul Victor Birke
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: experimental verification of electromagnetic mass

the famous one is by Graham and Lahoz U of Toronto some time ago
M.Graham, D.G.Lahoz. Nature, 285, 154, 1980.

http://www.tts.lt/~nara/introduc/introduc.htm

Paul

Satya Das wrote:

 Quote: Does any one have a result of experimental verification of electromagnetic mass? Since the existence of electromagnetic mass means a non-zero size of all charged particles, then it must give the radius of charged particles. So what is the size of electron, proton, and other particles?
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 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Hidden Richness in Electromagnetism In a nutshell, aren't all EM waves 'transverse'? See for example: "Introduction to Electromagnetic Fields and Waves", by Corson & Lorrain "Classical Electrodynamics" by J.D. Jackson See, I have this little problem with EM theories that don't correspond with Maxwell's Equations, and "scalar waves" don't. Harry C.
Uncle Al
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Hidden Richness in Electromagnetism

Bohl wrote:
 Quote: To those studying the exotic forms electromagnetisms can take or its hidden richness. Which of the following do you think is possible and which is just plain impossible and why. "What I call "scalar waves" [snip crap]

Dead on Arrival.

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Ceriel Nosforit
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Hidden Richness in Electromagnetism

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:36:54 -0800, Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net>
wrote:

 Quote: Bohl wrote: To those studying the exotic forms electromagnetisms can take or its hidden richness. Which of the following do you think is possible and which is just plain impossible and why. "What I call "scalar waves" [snip crap] Dead on Arrival.

An autopsy, kind sir?

What Bohl is probably trying to figure out is what all the strange
things over at http://jnaudin.free.fr/ are about. While the usual
champion of this subject, Tom Bearden, is the subject of many a heated
and emotional debate, these people are apparently doing _something_.
In order to understand the nature of what they are doing, research is
required. Unfortunately, despite att these strange and _working_
applications, they are usually the subject of prejudice and simply
dismissed, as if reality would go away by doing so.

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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Hidden Richness in Electromagnetism

On 18 Mar 2005 16:33:20 -0800, hhc314@yahoo.com wrote:

 Quote: In a nutshell, aren't all EM waves 'transverse'?

Only at distances far from the source. And in homogeneous media.

Fergus
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Flaws wanted

"Ka-In Yen" <yenkain@yahoo.com.tw> wrote in message
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[snip]

 Quote: When you do math, you must not neglect material. Force can not exist alone, force is a result of material structure. Force is vector, material structure is vector too.

No.
You are drivelling

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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Hidden Richness in Electromagnetism

hhc314@yahoo.com wrote:
 Quote: In a nutshell, aren't all EM waves 'transverse'? Harry C.

Beats me. Well in medieval times, people don't know electromagnetic
waves (light) fill the air... so who knows.. perhaps other waves
fill the air too that is not EM transverse waves but its cousins
not yet detectable by present instruments.

Anyway. Let me just focus on the first paragraph. Can you show
what this means "whenever an EM wave starts to
form, both the transverse and longitudinal waves start to form.
However, the transverse wave has a function, which cancels the
longitudinal wave. So if that function persists, we get the
familiar EM wave. Now when we cancel the normal wave, we cancel
the component that had cancelled the LW (scalar wave). So we get
out a LW (scalar wave)".

What function is he talking about available in transverse wave
that cancel the longitudinal wave?

Bohl
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Flaws wanted

Eric Gisse wrote:
 Quote: You rewrote it? Not surprising, you probably dropped some vector information when you did because you don't know what the difference between a vector and a scalar is.

Dear Eric,

When you do math, you must not neglect material. Force can
not exist alone, force is a result of material structure.
Force is vector, material structure is vector too.

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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: I need to understand the Lorentz force

Ah Bilge, It sure is nice to hear this from you.
You and I think alike on this one point, but in different thematic
processes, but I still recoginize granite being the firm foundation of your
discipline.
Kind regards, Lee Pugh
"Bilge" <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
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 Quote: forever: (Followups set to sci.physics.electromag) [...] substantive point worth debating intelligently. But to my knowledge, no one on the planet knows what a magnetic field is made of, so anyone claiming that a theory is *not so* based on things we don't understand would strike me as questionable. Magnetic fields are just electric fields observed in frames which are moving relative to an observer who sees a purely electric field. The transformations are: E' = \gamma (E + \beta x B) - (\gamma^2/(\gamma + 1)) \beta (\beta.E) B' = \gamma (E - \beta x B) - (\gamma^2/(\gamma + 1)) \beta (\beta.B) \beta = v/c, \gamma = 1/sqrt(1-\beta^2) So, if an observer in one frame sees an only an electric field, E, an observer in a different frame moving at some relative velocity, \beta will see the fields, E' = \gamma E - (\gamma^2/(\gamma + 1)) \beta (\beta . E) B' = \gamma\beta x E I might agree with them, you might disagree. I think what you meant to say is that you happen to agree or disagree with a particular theory, because, as anyone grounded in truth would acknowledge, theories are just theories, and when it comes to pure theoretical science, "proven" is best left outside of the vocablulary. Questioning things supposedly proven, that's where we make our best progress. We'' make our best progress by first studying what we already know in order to avoid re-inventing the wheel. It's not possible to make an informed decision about what is worth investigating without knowing the extent to which something has already been investigated and understanding the work that has already been done. QED, which is the theory of electro- magnetism is the most thoroughly tested and best understood theory that has ever existed. There is literally no experiment with which it disagrees. Want to avoid the type of mentality of Charles H. Duell, the U.S. Commissioner of Patents, who said in 1899, "Everything that can be invented has been invented." If you'll look at what goes through the patent office, you'll discover the same sort of mentality at the other extreme. Nothing is too stupid or obvious to be denied a patent. Same stupidity, different implementation. But, your analogy is false. The patent office has as much to do with what physicists decide to study as football coaches have to do with what physicists study. A better approach might be, 'Considered reasonable or likely because of tests done by xyz labs in 200x, and I am one vote in favor of their conclusions'. It takes no more intelligence to doubt everything you are told than it does to blindly accept everything you are told. Only by studying something can you know what to accept. On the other hand, doubting the consensus of the vast majority of physicists without knowing what those physicists know is rather illogical, since it doesn't make any sense for vast numbers of physicists to conspire against discovering something that would make them instantly famous enough to choose the terms of their employment.
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Flaws wanted

Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote:
 Quote: Ka-In Yen wrote: Ka-In Yen wrote: Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote: Two physical errors right at the start: neither potential energy nor mass are vectors. Thank you for your information. It is a high probability that a flawless derivation has some physical meaning. Do you have any strong reason that mass can not be vector? Not strong enough. F=-kx (Hook's law) Try again, and please try harder. :) Read: "I can't answer your argument, so I'll simply ridicule it."

Dear Bjoern,
There is another equation for your reference:

tau=v^2 * mu (the equation of waves on string)

tau is the tension on string, and mu is linear mass
density of string; v is vector, but v^2 is scalar.

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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Flaws wanted

Ka-In Yen wrote:
 Quote: Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote: Ka-In Yen wrote: Ka-In Yen wrote: Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote: Two physical errors right at the start: neither potential energy nor mass are vectors. Thank you for your information. It is a high probability that a flawless derivation has some physical meaning. Do you have any strong reason that mass can not be vector? Not strong enough. F=-kx (Hook's law) Try again, and please try harder. :) Read: "I can't answer your argument, so I'll simply ridicule it." Dear Bjoern, There is another equation for your reference: tau=v^2 * mu (the equation of waves on string) tau is the tension on string, and mu is linear mass density of string; v is vector, but v^2 is scalar.

Your using the wrong wave equation. See:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/waves/waveq.html
http://www.uoxray.uoregon.edu/ph351/waves.pdf

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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Flaws wanted

Eric Gisse wrote:
 Quote: Ka-In Yen wrote: Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote: Read: "I can't answer your argument, so I'll simply ridicule it." Dear Bjoern, There is another equation for your reference: tau=v^2 * mu (the equation of waves on string) tau is the tension on string, and mu is linear mass density of string; v is vector, but v^2 is scalar. Your using the wrong wave equation. See: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/waves/waveq.html http://www.uoxray.uoregon.edu/ph351/waves.pdf

Dear Eric,
Thank you for your information. Please refer to Halliday's
"Fundamentals of Physics", chapter 17-6, waves on a string.
It is the equation of waves on a string, but I rewrite it.

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