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Gordon
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Aluminum Sequin to match the cool summer of 1992; Pinatuba Re: The World's 4 top priority problems as of 2006 and what to do about them Reply with quote

On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 01:23:09 -0400, "Jimmie D"
<jimmiedee@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Quote:
Global warming is not a problem that needs fixing it will correct itsself..
As you stated it is caused by overpopulation when the earth warms up enough
the population will decrease, then global warming wont be a problem.

[snip]

How long has it been since the last major volcanic eruptions? Are

volcanic eruptions and the resultant sulfates spewed into the
atmosphere perhaps the primary cause of short term warm/cool
cycles?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:06 am    Post subject: Re: Aluminum Sequin to match the cool summer of 1992; Pinatuba Re: The World's 4 top priority problems as of 2006 and what to do about them Reply with quote

Gordon wrote:

Quote:
How long has it been since the last major volcanic eruptions? Are
volcanic eruptions and the resultant sulfates spewed into the
atmosphere perhaps the primary cause of short term warm/cool
cycles?

If you really want to know, why not read a science book instead of
posting in usenet groups totally infested by rightwinger disinformation
posters who wqill tell you any lie that furthers their subversion of
America?

Here's some of the places that pay minimum wage to cheap whore interns
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:27 am    Post subject: Re: Nanotechnology is the ultimate cure Reply with quote

On Sun, 02 Jul 06 10:27:31 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com
wrote:

Quote:
Humans have rules that are contrary to biological
needs.

Then go Islam.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: What I hate and what I want Reply with quote

Mr Clarke wrote:
Quote:
"Evgenij Barsukov" <evgenij_b_hate_spam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:XaKdnQHoCaRe8TXZnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
tadchem wrote:
Evgenij Barsukov wrote:

The only reason Life exist is...

Implicit in making such a statement is the assumption that life exists
as the result of an act of reason.

This assumption has never been empirically established.

Not so. We are routinely applying reason to discuss processes
which as such are not necessarily created by any acts of reason.
Any physical law can be used as an example. Life is just one
of such processes. Thermodynamics is an external treatment to all
processes (including Life) therefore it can be used to show why process
takes place.
Here is example of such "why" explanation: Reaction O2 + H2->H20
takes place at given temperature T and pressure P because
change of dG=dH - TdS from left to right is negative under this conditions.

The same approach can be applied to process "Life", except treatment
will include 3 steps:
1) reaction A + B --> C has dG1<0, however it is slow without
catalyst

2) catalyst L is thermodynamically unstable, e.g.
L + environment --> decomposition products has dG2>0

3) abs(dG1)>abs(dG2) therefore in presence of 1) reaction 2) can
be reversed (excess of dG1 is used to apply work to conteract dG2),
which means L is stabilized as long as A+B are present.

Above 3 points is a formula of Life (which is the conditionally stable
catalyst "L"). Its existence does not require any external "reason".
It does require that thermodynamics laws are correct, however these
laws are purely statistical in their nature and are therefore a-priory
correct.
We do have to apply reason to understand why this process takes place,
however.

Regards,
Evgenij

It is reasonable for me to say then that all forms of life exhibit motion.
The elaboration to motion would mean more than several million different
possible formulas (or more); this accounts for matter moving within an elixir
of immaterial forces and cannot be comprehended by the Human Brain.

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Ashley Clarke
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Entropy is the thermodynamical function. Its definition needs temperature as the integrating factor. What is the integrating factor of Universe? If gravitation, how is defined 1 degree of gravitation? It is dangereous and stupid to generalize outside the range, to treat stars as if they were molecules.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:29 am    Post subject: thistle seed versus cottonwood tree seed Re: sulfuric acid of Pinatuba Re: Cottonwood seed Reply with quote

I have had a chance to look at thistle seeds today and compare them to
cottonwood seed. The thistle seed has more weight so is not going to
float around as much. But the thistle may have in its favor more
reflective traits. The thistle is more solid white and the cottonwood
is very opaque. Another feature in favor of thistle is that it will not
bunch together. Also, the thistle is easy to agriculturally grow and
harvest unlike cottonwood trees. So how much farm land would it take to
amass 30 cubic kilometers of thistle seed capsules. A capsule is
before it opens and releases all the seeds inside.

It maybe the case that the best reflectant is a seed that is not
amenable to producing in some sort of mass production artificially.
Such as wood pulp ground into a Sequin Reflectant or cotton processed
into a Sequin Reflectant. We may find out that some seed is the finest
Sequin Relfectant, such as thistle, and that we cannot match it in some
industrial mass production substitute. We would have to await the
analysis of material scientists.

P.S. in the news tonight of the BBC was a report that the EU was going
to restrict airline flights for their CO2 emissions was the most
rapidly growing emissions causing global warming. Ironic, if instead,
the EU required the airlines to start cargo hauling Thistle Seed Sequin
and releasing in their flight apogee and thus the airline the main
solvers of all of global warming.

So where the airlines are now perceived as the worst villians of global
warming may turn around and be the group that actually solves global
warming as it delivers Sequin into the atmosphere.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:07 pm    Post subject: Thistle seed farms in the poor countries to solve global warming Re: thistle seed versus cottonwood tree seed Re: sulfuric acid of Pinatuba Re: Cottonwood seed Reply with quote

a_plutonium@hotmail.com wrote:
Quote:
I have had a chance to look at thistle seeds today and compare them to
cottonwood seed. The thistle seed has more weight so is not going to
float around as much. But the thistle may have in its favor more
reflective traits. The thistle is more solid white and the cottonwood
is very opaque. Another feature in favor of thistle is that it will not
bunch together. Also, the thistle is easy to agriculturally grow and
harvest unlike cottonwood trees. So how much farm land would it take to
amass 30 cubic kilometers of thistle seed capsules. A capsule is
before it opens and releases all the seeds inside.

It maybe the case that the best reflectant is a seed that is not
amenable to producing in some sort of mass production artificially.
Such as wood pulp ground into a Sequin Reflectant or cotton processed
into a Sequin Reflectant. We may find out that some seed is the finest
Sequin Relfectant, such as thistle, and that we cannot match it in some
industrial mass production substitute. We would have to await the
analysis of material scientists.

P.S. in the news tonight of the BBC was a report that the EU was going
to restrict airline flights for their CO2 emissions was the most
rapidly growing emissions causing global warming. Ironic, if instead,
the EU required the airlines to start cargo hauling Thistle Seed Sequin
and releasing in their flight apogee and thus the airline the main
solvers of all of global warming.

So where the airlines are now perceived as the worst villians of global
warming may turn around and be the group that actually solves global
warming as it delivers Sequin into the atmosphere.


This is the old expression of solving two problems with one stonethrow.

Preliminary measures of thistle seeds in their pods is that when ripe
those seeds can encompass a volume of 0.5 to 1 cubic meters per thistle
plant. To solve Global Warming I need 30,000 cubic meters of thistle
seed.

Here I see an opportunity for poor countries in the world to grow the
thistle and have the poor farmers harvest and receive a Internationally
recognized fair price for their thistle seed harvesting which will be
delivered to the airports and airplanes which will emit in the apogee
of their flightpath.

Instead of Afghanistan growing illegal drug narcotics, replace them
with thistle seed to solve global warming.

Thistles are drought tolerant and so grow them where other crops cannot
grow.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Cleaning zinc battery plates Reply with quote

Jim Land <RrrrFfffTttt(NO)@(SPAM)hotmail.com> writes:
Quote:
A science museum is using zinc plates to show students how to make simple
wet-cell batteries. The commercial zinc they are using is corroded and
needs to be cleaned before it can be used. Any suggestions for chemicals
to remove the corrosion? (Their current method is steel wool and isn't
effective.)

What chemical has caused the corrosion? Or do you mean it has a greyish
coating of oxide, and the museum would like the plates to be bright and
shiny? Perhaps crosspost the details to the sci.chem group.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Cleaning zinc battery plates Reply with quote

John Savage wrote:
Quote:
Jim Land <RrrrFfffTttt(NO)@(SPAM)hotmail.com> writes:
A science museum is using zinc plates to show students how to make simple
wet-cell batteries. The commercial zinc they are using is corroded and
needs to be cleaned before it can be used. Any suggestions for chemicals
to remove the corrosion? (Their current method is steel wool and isn't
effective.)

What chemical has caused the corrosion? Or do you mean it has a greyish
coating of oxide, and the museum would like the plates to be bright and
shiny? Perhaps crosspost the details to the sci.chem group.
--
John Savage

What is the color of zinc plates? Corroded zinc from old batteries has
a white coating of zinc salts etc. I think rubbing the plates with sand
paper should work to renew the surface. As a last choice try soaking
for a minute or and then washing with dilute, say 1 M, HCl.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Cleaning zinc battery plates Reply with quote

John Savage <rookswood@suburbian.com.au> wrote in
news:060707000124116.07Jul06$rookswood@suburbian.com:

Quote:
Jim Land <RrrrFfffTttt(NO)@(SPAM)hotmail.com> writes:
A science museum is using zinc plates to show students how to make
simple
wet-cell batteries. The commercial zinc they are using is corroded and
needs to be cleaned before it can be used. Any suggestions for
chemicals
to remove the corrosion? (Their current method is steel wool and isn't
effective.)

What chemical has caused the corrosion? Or do you mean it has a greyish
coating of oxide, and the museum would like the plates to be bright and
shiny? Perhaps crosspost the details to the sci.chem group.

Yes, the museum wants to give bright, shiny plates to the students. The
zinc plates they received from their supplier are covered with a
tenacious layer of dark grey solids which I referred to as "corrosion"
but could be oxide. Whatever the solids may be, I'm looking for a good
way to remove them.

Since this is a museum setting, not a chem lab, it would be preferable to
do it in a safe and clean manner. Hence I'm reluctant to use any acid
that will evolve more than a few small bubbles of hydrogen gas, or use
mechanical removal (sanding, wire brusing) which would release
particulates.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Cleaning zinc battery plates Reply with quote

Jim Land wrote:
Quote:

Since this is a museum setting, not a chem lab, it would be
preferable to do it in a safe and clean manner. Hence I'm
reluctant to use any acid that will evolve more than a few
small bubbles of hydrogen gas, or use mechanical removal
(sanding, wire brusing) which would release particulates.

How about putting sand in a large Zip-lock freezer
bag (heavier thickness than the regular type), and
abrading the zinc plates while they're in the bag
by manually rubbing them from outside the bag.
A similar approach could be used by putting steel
wool in the bag. When finished, the bag can be
tossed in the regular waste stream.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Cleaning zinc battery plates Reply with quote

In article <44AEB85E.75C68A9E@sonic.net>, Mark Thorson
<nospam@sonic.net> writes
Quote:
Jim Land wrote:

Since this is a museum setting, not a chem lab, it would be
preferable to do it in a safe and clean manner. Hence I'm
reluctant to use any acid that will evolve more than a few
small bubbles of hydrogen gas, or use mechanical removal
(sanding, wire brusing) which would release particulates.

How about putting sand in a large Zip-lock freezer
bag (heavier thickness than the regular type), and
abrading the zinc plates while they're in the bag
by manually rubbing them from outside the bag.
A similar approach could be used by putting steel
wool in the bag. When finished, the bag can be
tossed in the regular waste stream.

How about a standard metal polish ...

http://www.stanleylondon.com/brasso.htm


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Cleaning zinc battery plates Reply with quote

On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 17:54:54 -0000, Jim Land
<RrrrFfffTttt(NO)@(SPAM)hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
,;John Savage <rookswood@suburbian.com.au> wrote in
,;news:060707000124116.07Jul06$rookswood@suburbian.com:
,;
,;> Jim Land <RrrrFfffTttt(NO)@(SPAM)hotmail.com> writes:
,;>>A science museum is using zinc plates to show students how to make
,;simple
,;>>wet-cell batteries. The commercial zinc they are using is corroded and
,;>>needs to be cleaned before it can be used. Any suggestions for
,;chemicals
,;>>to remove the corrosion? (Their current method is steel wool and isn't
,;>>effective.)
,;
,;> What chemical has caused the corrosion? Or do you mean it has a greyish
,;> coating of oxide, and the museum would like the plates to be bright and
,;> shiny? Perhaps crosspost the details to the sci.chem group.
,;
,;Yes, the museum wants to give bright, shiny plates to the students. The
,;zinc plates they received from their supplier are covered with a
,;tenacious layer of dark grey solids which I referred to as "corrosion"
,;but could be oxide. Whatever the solids may be, I'm looking for a good
,;way to remove them.
,;
,;Since this is a museum setting, not a chem lab, it would be preferable to
,;do it in a safe and clean manner. Hence I'm reluctant to use any acid
,;that will evolve more than a few small bubbles of hydrogen gas, or use
,;mechanical removal (sanding, wire brusing) which would release
,;particulates.

Try ammonium hydroxide. This is available from your local grocery
store so it shouldn't be a hazard. Also try vinegar. Same source.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Cleaning zinc battery plates Reply with quote

"Jim Land" <RrrrFfffTttt(NO)@(SPAM)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97F983614FD81RrrrFfffTttt4396hotm@216.168.3.44...

Quote:

Since this is a museum setting, not a chem lab, it would be preferable to
do it in a safe and clean manner. Hence I'm reluctant to use any acid
that will evolve more than a few small bubbles of hydrogen gas, or use
mechanical removal (sanding, wire brusing) which would release
particulates.

On small metal samples, we have used a lapidary tumbler. The samples
may not meet your need for bright and shiny, but the surfaces are clean
and relatively reproducible
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:04 pm    Post subject: fabulous summers for the rest of our lives Re: Summer without any rain Re: Reply with quote

Now bear with me for a few minutes as I ask you some questions. During
the Pinatuba volcano eruptions of 1991 and 1992, I was on the East
Coast of the USA and enjoyed what is perhaps the best summer of my
life. It was cool and there was alot of rainfall.

How about here in the MidWest, the Plains region of the USA? What was
the summer of 1992 like here? I know from Minnesota report that the
summer of 1992 was their coolest. But was there alot of rainfall during
that cool summer of 1992?

How about the rest of the USA during 1992 summer. Can we say that the
summer of 1992 was the greatest, the best, the most fabulous summer
Americans ever experienced? I know I can say so for the East Coast as I
witnessed it myself.

Now I experience dreadful summers from year 2000 to 2006, of hot and
dry and drought conditions.

So can we manufacture a summer like 1992? But was the rest of the USA
as fabulous of a summer in 1992 as was the East Coast. Did the Midwest
have alot of rain in addition to being cool?

If so, if the summer of 1992 was the most fabulous summer for the whole
of the USA both in cool temperatures and ample, I mean ample amounts of
rainfall. Then by all means let us try to fabricate another summer like
1992.

How do we do this? We do it by requiring airplanes in the apogee of
their flightpath to emit Thistle seeds and to thus imitate Pinatuba
volcano of 1992. The thistle seed will reflect sunlight and cause a
cool summer and an ample rainfall.

We need a mere 30 kilometer cube of thistle seed. Thistle seed is nice
and fluffy and could easily be grown to fill a 30 kilometer cube. And
airplanes fly daily over the globe and could easily emit 30 kilometer
cube of thistle seed in the apogee of their flightpath. We could easily
imitate Pinatuba of 1992 and have cool and rainy summers and fabulous
summers for the rest of our lives.

All it takes is to just implement this program.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:05 am    Post subject: Re: Nanotechnology is the ultimate cure Reply with quote

On Fri, 07 Jul 06 09:47:26 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com
wrote:

Quote:
No don't twist the facts honey.

I am not. You are in denial.


You're trying to argue with me the way you seem to have
learnt to argue to begin with: By arguing with
individuals outside your tribal boundaries.

Quote:
Just because everybody
in the world hates you and your pro-Israeli ass doesn't
mean they want to "annihilate all humankind".

At some point in time Muslims will notice that the people
they are allowing to control them are also killing Muslims
with great relish. I think that this will be noticed after
it's too late. It is apparently heretical in this religion
to identify bullshit for what it is.

You might've had a better argument against Islam if you
weren't yourself filled to the teeth with religious
crimes and murders for the past 2500 years. You
celebrate the annivarsay of slaughter of 75000 Iranians
every year in your "Purim" ceremonies. Going from being
a pro-Israeli, a sickly raised half-psychotic piece of
a humanoid that you'd be, to being a practicing Moslem
is great progress in you. The point is if you don't
understand it (and you don't of course) then you could
at least practice it. You don't have to really
understand Islam to be a Moslem. Just pay your taxes
and curb your detrimental habits of under-belly and
alcohol and refrain from wishing others half-way across
the world killed and/or nuked and already you're a much
better individual. Go Islam.

--

"yaghinan badetAn nemiAyad bedAnid ke in marAseme
hajj va ghorbAni che ma'ni dArad, mansha'e tArikhi
va ejtemA'iye An chist, cheguneh bargharAr shodeh
ast, che manzuri dar kAr budeh ast, va hAlA che
fAyede'i dArad, naghshe An dar Ayandeh che khAhad
bud."

- Mehdi Bazargan
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