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Attila the Bum
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:08 pm    Post subject: Re: pyrogallol chemoluminescence Reply with quote

I haven't a clue about the function of
formaldehyde in the pot, other than
perhaps reduction to or equilibrium
with the alcohol.

GOOGLE:
pyrogallol formaldehyde ~780 hits
pyrogallol formaldehyde luminescence ~50 hits
sci.chem faq chemiluminescence ~36 hits


Mark (Oh, look! Look, look look!
See Spot! See spot run!
Run Spot, run! Smile
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Y.Porat
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:05 pm    Post subject: Re: chemistry bonding principle flawed?? Reply with quote

bz wrote:
Quote:
"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in news:1114697024.532888.4400
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:


bz wrote:
glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote in
news:d4lh5e$hue$1@rainier.uits.indiana.edu:


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is it a single Atom
or may be a sample of many atoms ???!!!.............

I assume, from previous sentence 'trap highly charged ions'
that it is a sample of many ions.
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many ions !! of course
one has to be dumb not to get it
so we did some advance.....
Quote:

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Virtually

Virtually ????

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any charge state of any element in the periodic table can be
studied using EBIT. It is the only ion source in the world that
can
create
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'can create' !!
i told once my friend that i heared that there is an old man
in China that 'can do it ' 5 times a night!!

the freind answerd me :
'you can also *tell it *!!

:)
But they are able to demonstrate it.

ok letys see it
you should understand what is in stake with such an experiment!!
thats exactly th etrouble with the paradigma
once a challenge is raised aginst it
it is ignored!
so how can you ever realy check th eparadigma if chalenges against it
are rejected on arival
a doninat theory must answer any raising challenge!!
or else it falles into the questionable zone !!
a leading theory cannot choose only what 'fits it' and overlook
popsible fefutes.
yes i am aware that no one before raised that challenge
but that is not my fault!!.
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Quote:
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start of quote:

if they can do it
*let them do it *!!!

ie extract 92 electrons (from a single atom) !!
single because if it is not a single it is frommany ....
from many it means that it is an *avrage*

The average of the following group of numbers is 92:

92, 92, 92, 92, 92, 92.
no man


91 92 93 has as well that avrage !!
90 92 94 has as well that avrage .

and you forgot the posibility that electrons can be extracted
from neutrons
and you indicated rightly that in such case
you cannot prove that electron no 93from beta decay
was not extravcted before electron No 10 !!!

Quote:

and avgrage for me is of some of them less some of them more!!
(yess some of them more )
so
why not do it and not only talk about

The average, to 2 significant figures, of the following group of
numbers is
92:

92, 92, 92, 92, 92, 91.
why talk abstactly

lets see th rexperimantal results
lets see that here is no 93 .
Quote:


yet they have another little mission;
it is
to prove that they cannopt extract 93
or if they extract 93 - it became Np!!

how about that ???

Quote:

and if it became Np it didnt recover after a sort time back to U
agin!!
and how about that ??

let them just do it not talk!!

Why don't you propose it and offer to finance the experiment. I am
sure
they will be glad to run it for you.

i am apoor man from a poor country
th eonly thing i have is mybeing and anti parrot
that is all my poor weapon
now anybody can just
*take it or leave it *
he can take it and a few tears later come up
with exactly those ideas and experiment
and trumpet ttop the world that he* has found a revolutuionary finding

let it be so let it be someon elses 'discovery'( once it is an ego
game
i give it up to someone else years later !!!
that will be also nice fo r me ........
Quote:

You will, of course, have to tell them HOW you want the experiment
done.
Specifically.

'gather a bunch of 92+ U ions and remove some electrons from the
bunch'
will not do.
i say it is stupid on birth!!


there is no direct connection between No of protons and electrons
in a heavy element!!
so may be ask your hero adviser th egenious from hedelberg.
if 92 eelctrons are extracted then it is not from 92 protons
it is from many neotrons that became remporary protons
because electrons were extracted from them
but a very short time later it will recover to the ordinary U
and i explained somrthing that you forgot:

th emaster of the atom *is the nuc* not the electrons
so you cannot change it fo ra long time by extracting electrrons
idf at all it will be recovering quickly back to the
structure *that the nuc dictates!!
you cannot get steady Np by extracting electrrons from U
U is U and Np is Np they are different .evn if not
a very bid difference
once you are not a nuc expert it cannot be obvious fo ryou!!
because modt that you have in your concious is -- electrons.
and once you are not an exoert fo rthe nuc
you are not aware about how many neotrons are there
that can be stripped from theit electrons (only temporarily !!)
if the nuc for you is just a cloud of probabil;ity
that is governed by the HUP as the genious from hedelberg
and Fertz invetoer sayed than th enuc is a bigg scrambled egg
that you ahve no chance to know how mant neutrons are
in that or in another location and waht is special in them .
and then you can 'buy ' 92 eelctrons from U anf nothing more !!
why ?? because
may be to rest it ??? 'no need' it is 92 and nothing more !!
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Quote:


'if you have to shoot shoot - dont talk'' sayed old Catto
old catto suggest to do it
because it will be a little leson in physics to some parrots.

If all you can do is talk about shooting, don't carry a gun.
Put your money where your mouth is.

i have no money i have a head on my shoulders
a skeptic unbiased one that by chance have some clues
that no one before had .(may be a bit more then just clues...)

Quote:
(don't expect OTHERS to finance your dreams.)
dont do it leave it !!! forgwet about it !!!

it is nonsens.

Quote:
Peace!
at the paradise of fools thereis a lot of peace !!!

you should no tbelong there

and again a little advice for you

dont thake the genious from hedelberg (the Fertz inventor)
as your advisor on nuclear and atomic structure !!
because you will get far away with his guidance !!
again
you can take or leave my advice.
all th ebest
Y.Porat
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Wilco Oelen
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: How to dissolve powdered ruthenium metal in aqueous solvent? Reply with quote

Farooq,

It is a pity that the book does not contain any chemical equations
about the compounds formed, but anyway, it helped a lot.

Looking up the info for iridium is not urgent. Please do not go to the
library especially for this. If you happen to be there and have some
time left, then of course I would be pleased if you take the time for
it.

By the way, I left the solution with ruthenium standing for one day,
stoppered, so that no fresh air can enter the test tube. The color has
changed from orange/brown to really deep bright red. It is not like
ferric+thiocyanate, it is a very bright and saturated color. I'll try
to find out what this compound might be.

Wilco
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Confronting America's Environmental Ignorance Reply with quote

"hanson" <hanson@quick.net> wrote in news:W98ce.713$BE3.79
@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:

Quote:
.... ahahaha... This one is even better.... the "COLLECTIVE":
commie-RED undertones in your green $$$ begging campaign
are surfacing, while attempting to fleece the capitalist system
you left-red-green turds so loath. You the "stewards" for the
poor are coyly trying to get graft off the tables from hard
working American families to feed and promote the welfare
of unemployable green turds. You red-green shits have gall.
I give you that. But go f*** yourself... NO SALE! NO $$$!
ahahaha... ahahahanson

You know what's really funny? What you say here shows that you are truly
'old school.' Get with the times, you don't point fingers and say "pinko
commie," you point fingers and say "anti-American terrorist supporter."

So, where exactly do you stand? Do you go as far as to say that we
should just dump mercury and MTBE in the water supply? Or is that too
"green s**t" for you? What's wrong with taking a little responsibility
for actions we make?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Confronting America's Environmental Ignorance Reply with quote

"Me" aka "Mindless enviro",<nospam@nospam.org>, aka the green
"Moron example" and a Commie sympathizer, got cranked in message
news:Xns96468FAF9D5AEnospamnospamcom@63.218.45.254...
Quote:
by "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> who wrote in
news:W98ce.713$BE3.79@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
.... ahahaha... This one is even better.... the "COLLECTIVE":
commie-RED undertones in your green $$$ begging campaign
are surfacing, while attempting to fleece the capitalist system
you left-red-green turds so loath. You the "stewards" for the
poor are coyly trying to get graft off the tables from hard
working American families to feed and promote the welfare
of unemployable green turds. You red-green shits have gall.
I give you that. But go f*** yourself... NO SALE! NO $$$!
ahahaha... ahahahanson

[Mindless enviro]
You know what's really funny? What you say here shows
that you are truly 'old school.' Get with the times, you don't
point fingers and say "pinko commie," you point fingers
and say "anti-American terrorist supporter."

[hanson]

ahahaha... AHAHAHA... You simply don't get it, sweet pea....
Nowadays, "pinko commie" & "anti-American terrorist supporter"
are one and the very same ilk, both pretending to be green.
But, I don't know what should be funny about you describing
yourself as "anti-American terrorist supporter"... ahahaha...
Yet rumor has it that you are. Why else would you have cut
these NGs from your post: sci.physics,alt.politics.economics,
alt.politics.bush, soc.retirement, where a lot of old fogies
hang out? Hence, I reintroduced them for your benefit.
You must be feeling uneasy about your audiences. Good.
......ahahaha.... ahahAHAHAHAHA...

[Mindless enviro]
Quote:
So, where exactly do you stand? Do you go as far as to
say that we should just dump mercury (b) and MTBE (a) in
the water supply? Or is that too "green s**t" for you?
(c) What's wrong with taking a little responsibility
for actions we make?

[hanson]

(a) MTBE was introduced on the urging of YOU green idiots.
And nobody was dumping it into the water supply, except you
in your own paranoid mind. I remember the days when MBTE
was a gas additive and the regulatory green turds put a warning
sign up at the pumps which read something like that |"you may
POTENTIALLY get cancer from MBTE if you sit 24/7 for 75 (!)
seventy-five years next to the gas pump."| After 1 or 2 tanks
leaked somewhere, accidentally, the MBTE danger was very vastly
exaggerated so that you green turds could make big money off
any such tragedies, brokobitch style. But nobody got sick nor
cancer stricken from it. Yet you green shits look always very
greedily forward to milk any such event for ill-gotten gains.
f*** you miserable green shits!

(b) Nobody is dumping Hg into the water supply, except you
in your green moldy mind. It is alleged that the emissions from
coal burning power plants may end up introducing some Hg into
the eco system. But it is simply a transfer of Hg from one eco-
system into another one. It is the unadulterated enviro greed to
make money off this why such a big deal is made about this.
And you, a classical "Mindless enviro" buys this green s**t line,
with hook and sinker... not wanting to know or care that $$$
alone does drive this issue... ahahahahaha........

(3) What is this "we" s**t? What fucking "personal responsibility"
are YOU taking for your "actions you make", besides whining
and siding with unemployable green shits who want to make a
"collective" to siphon money off hardworking taxpayers' dinner
tables via more and higher permit charges, user fees, enviro
surtaxes and the carbon tax? Which class do you belong to?
Here are the guidelines to classify yourself by:

Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
(1) Green s**t(s): ...the ones who advocate, proselytize,
legalize, institute, administer and extort the permit charges,
the user fees, the enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax.
(2) Green turd(s):... the ones who are recipients and
beneficiaries from the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
(3) Little green idiot(s):.. are the unpaid, well-meaning ones
who think they do something for the "environment", when in
fact they are only the enablers and facilitators for (2) who
are harvesting the green $$$ that (1) has extorted.

Remember, sweet pea, before you f*** yourself again as a
class (3) enviro, and pay and pay and pay, look carefully
what you are supporting and paying for, since...
= Pure politics is driving dozens of public health issues, notably
= global warming, Hg, MBTE and other green s**t. Great lies do
= service for/in/of a "noble cause" which now trump truth & fact.

ahahaha... ahahanson
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:24 pm    Post subject: Re: pyrogallol chemoluminescence Reply with quote

rek...@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
google search: pyrogallol formaldehyde

Apparently they polymerize to form an adhesive resin, like a phenolic
resin, only pyrogallol chemoluminesces.

Well, uh, yeah ... that's the thrust
of the original message asking how
formaldehyde fits into the equation.

Look, it's a light-emitting reaction,
agreed? Electrons go up in energy, they
go down in energy. Temperature here isn't
enough to generate light, so ....

Do you know the chemistry? Are there
reaction products? I haven't got
anything but clues.

If formaldehyde and pyrogallol polymerize,
well gosh, there's got to be some bond
changes going on in that pot, right?
Electrons are moving around.

And, if you

GOOGLE: formaldehyde enol

you get about 4160 hits.

Does the formaldehyde contribute
chemically or is it just a solvent?

At this point, I'd suggest it's
a reactant. Haven't seen anyone
elso post anything on the topic,
so I'll leave it at that.


Atty (... now, just why do they
call it PYROgallol? |-)
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Perchlorate contamination: How serious, how to fix? Reply with quote

"muha" <muhammar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
no, perchlorate is stable. You need a process that removes all soluble
salts like distillation or reverse osmosis.
Brita filtration jug or similar home water treatment will not remove
perchlorate - they contain ion exchanger resin/charcoal cartridge that
improves taste and reduces lead but will not be efficient for
perchlorate.
My suggestion is to use bottled water for cooking and drinking, unless
the contamination levels are marginal. Even then, I would not recommend
using it for children.

[hanson]

Now, that we have heard from all posters to this tread the doom-worrying
green cries (except from Al) about ClO4, I will repost this:
news:as6Od.3129$UX3.2708@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net
"Tim Miller" <rabbitispoor@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1107656925.726246.84380@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

[hanson]
Thanks Tim, for posting the RATIONAL and REASONABLE
side for Perchlorate. I added here a previous post of yours re.
Undoubtedly, some brockobitch type LAWYERS will find a
way to fleece the public over this issue, since enviromentalism
is NOTHING but a money game. But fortunaletly there are dark
days ahead for green turds, in particular EPA who sees leaner
and hopefully more rational times. EPA's budget got cut by
$620 million for 05.
Enjoy Chemistry.... But f*** Enviros!... All of them, incl. ARAs.
ahaha... ahahahanson

"Tim Miller" <rabbitispoor@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:27afd67f.0412031701.43603a92@posting.google.com...
Quote:
From http://www.councilonwaterquality.org/know/qa_basics.html:
In the 1950's perchlorate was approved by the U.S. FDA as a safe
and effective medication to treat people with overactive thyroid
glands. While it has been replaced in the U.S. with newer medications
**(partly because it took enormously high doses to have any effect,**
and these doses had to be given frequently because perchlorate
is so rapidly eliminated from the body 1) KClO4 still is used as a
medicine in other parts of the world. Because of its longstanding
use as a medicine, we know much today about how perchlorate works
in the body.
Perchlorate is naturally present in some fertilizers typically used in
organic farming. Since the early 20th century Chilean nitrate fertil-
izer containing naturally-occurring perchlorate has been widely
used in American agriculture. Current amounts of Chilean nitrate
fertilizer products being shipped and used in the United States
are substantial.
[Tim-Millers-Computer:~] tim%


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..
.... ***********************************************
Quote:
From the We're all gonna die department at
..... ***********************************************

http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-w/2005/feb/science/rr_atmospheric.html
Quote:

Science News
February 2, 2005
Atmospheric processes may create perchlorate

Traces of perchlorate are found in rain and snow and can be cre-
ated in lab experiments simulating tropospheric processes, ac-
cording to research posted to ES&T's Research ASAP website. These
observations suggest that there is a natural flux of atmospheric
perchlorate to the earth and a natural perchlorate background
level, says corresponding author Purnendu Dasgupta from Texas
Tech University.

Facilities that manufacture or use perchlorate-containing rocket
fuel appear to be the source of most contamination plumes. For
several years, controversy has swirled around estimates of the
health risks posed by perchlorate in drinking water. The U.S. EPA
and environmental groups contend that only very low concentra-
tions are safe, while the U.S. Department of Defense and its con-
tractors support higher levels. A National Academy of Sciences
committee concluded in January that perchlorate is about 23 times
less hazardous than EPA had estimated.

However, as analytical methods improve, researchers are finding
low levels of perchlorate everywhere, which suggests a natural
flux, says Dasgupta. His lab was the first to publish a studyof
perchlorate in milk, but Dasgupta hastens to add that finding a
natural source of perchlorate should not lessen concerns about
anthropogenic contamination, which can range up to parts-per-mil-
lion levels.

Dasgupta's group embarked on the new study, which they funded
themselves, in an attempt to explain vast swaths of perchlorate-
contaminated groundwater in the southern high plains desert of
the Texas panhandle. Although there is no evidence of anthro-
pogenic sources in this region, water perchlorate values of 20-60
parts per billion (ppb) were measured (Environ. Sci. Technol.
2003, 37, 376A-377A). Instead, they find that groundwater levels
of perchlorate best correlate with levels of iodate, which is
known to be of atmospheric origin.

In their newest study, the researchers analyzed 21 rain and 4
snow samples collected mostly in Lubbock, Texas, in 2003 and
2004. They found perchlorate in 70% of the samples at concentra-
tions ranging from 0.02 to 1.6 ppb. Rain collected at Cocoa
Beach, Fla., from Hurricane Frances contained 0.6 ppb. The re-
searchers don't have enough information yet to quantify the flux.
The data are highly variable, explains co-author Andrew Jack-
son. They go from levels too low for us to detect to parts per
billion, but we don't know why.

The group also passed a sodium chloride aerosol through an elec-
tric discharge, which simulated lightning, and detected perchlo-
rate each time, with a ratio of perchlorate to chloride that was
two orders of magnitude greater than the control. Perchlorate
even formed when salt solutions were exposed to ozone and UV
light, simulating desert conditions. Chemist Glen Miller at the
University of Nevada, Reno, has found that photochemical oxida-
tion on soil can also generate perchlorate.

The combination of a desert area and recent intensive irrigation
may be what it takes to put natural perchlorate into groundwater.
In West Texas and the Chilean Atacama Desert, which is the source
of perchlorate-containing nitrate fertilizer, the harsh environ-
ment may well concentrate the low-level flux, says Dasgupta.
Then, activity -- mining in Chile or the recent onset of water-in-
tensive farming in West Texas --- mobilizes the perchlorate quickly.
A natural source may also explain perchlorate contamination in
part of eastern Oregon, where arid land has recently moved to in-
tensive crop production, says Kevin Mayer with EPA Region 9.

The Texas group is collaborating with the U.S. Geological Survey
to look for perchlorate in rain samples taken across the country
and planning further lab experiments to pin down atmospheric
mechanisms.

REBECCA RENNER
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Confronting America's Environmental Ignorance Reply with quote

MTBE is not toxic. They have even used it in patients to dissolve
galbladder stones as a less invasive alternative to a surgery. Here we
are talkin about washing liver bile ducts with neat solvent!

MTBE has a strong minty+camphor smell and a disgusting taste. It is
enviro-stable and fairly water-soluble - so a little gas pump reservoir
leak will spoil a lot of water. If I had water well with MTBE in it, I
would complain too.

But no, MTBE does not cause cancer.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Confronting America's Environmental Ignorance Reply with quote

On 28 Apr 2005 16:23:08 -0700, "muha" <muhammar@hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
MTBE is not toxic. They have even used it in patients to dissolve
galbladder stones as a less invasive alternative to a surgery. Here we
are talkin about washing liver bile ducts with neat solvent!

MTBE has a strong minty+camphor smell and a disgusting taste. It is
enviro-stable and fairly water-soluble - so a little gas pump reservoir
leak will spoil a lot of water. If I had water well with MTBE in it, I
would complain too.

But no, MTBE does not cause cancer.


http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/BU/tert-butyl_methyl_ether.html
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:11 am    Post subject: Re: Eotvos / Parity experiment PROBLEM Reply with quote

"John Sefton" <vegan16@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
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Quote:
Uncle Al wrote:
DOES A LEFT HAND FALL IDENTICALLY TO A RIGHT HAND?

Thomas Johnson wrote:
Well, when I fall, they tend to both go with me. So, to first order,
yes.
However, being right handed, my right hand typically is the one that
tries to grab for support, so in "identically"...no.

Uncle Al wrote:
Chirality, only requiring a causal and orientable spacetime manifold,
arises from coordinate-free Hodge duality equivalent to a
pseudoscalar field (Levi-Civita tensor). The parity Eotvos experiment is
an original idea backed by quantitative parity divergence math that
didn't exist prior to 1999. Substantial crystal lattice volumes
could not be calculated until 2002 - my work.
DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ORIGINAL DISCOVERY?

Thomas Johnson wrote:
I have a problem with people claiming their work is something it is
not. Your calculation has to do with the geometry of the crystals. It
is never connected to the experiment or to GR or EP.
Your calculation starts with a chiral structure and ends up telling us
that it is chiral. Yawn. I could do that with a pretty slow
computer--my brain. Let's see, given Petitjean's definition of
chirality...bulk crystals have a chirality of 1. Amorphous quartz has
a chirality of 0.
Here's a question for you: does a crystal with a chirality of 0.9 fall
differently than a crystal with a chirality of 1.0? Which falls
faster? By how much?
If you can't answer that, then who cares about your calculation at all?
P.s. Saying "pseudoscalar field" doesn't make you a physicist. It
works on some usenet folks, but not in the real world. Then again, the
referees from PRD already told you that, didn't they?

[John]
Oh-oh.
Al is being controlled by ELF generated
by that array up north where the
Americans are trying to steal all the good weather.

[hanson]

ahahaha... John, you are never wrong, of course, except now.
Neither Al nor any other American needs to steal good weather.
Al has his domicile at Irvine in beautiful and sunny Southern California,
....compared to your not so sunny Regina, Saskatchewan.... ahahaha....
To boot, maybe the ELF rad got to you more than it got to Al. But then,
Al lives closer to the nuke power plant in San Onofre. So, maybe both of
your have been sufficiently irradiated to spawn new theories in physics.
Good luck to both of you. ... and... Thanks for all the great laughs...
ahahaha... ahahanson
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:51 am    Post subject: Re: Confronting America's Environmental Ignorance Reply with quote

"Old Man" <nomail@nomail.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
"hanson" <hanson@quick.net> wrote to marialanna in message
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marialanna@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Dear Friends and Colleagues:

... We enviros are begging for MONEY by using the
"environment as our gimmick". It has become harder and
harder to fool the American people that we green shits are
really doing something for the environment other then whining
like con-artists. Our aim is to extract graft from the extortions
that the green turds collect in form of permit charges, user
fees, enviro surtaxes and the carbon tax.

Did you know that the White House Office of Management
and Budget has recommended eliminating funding for some
of the only federal programs specified for environmental
education (EE)?

[hanson]
That is a very good thing, and more cuts will follow.
That is a very good thing, and long, long overdue.
Besides, it's because of you green shits' behavior
that this has happened. But you are too fanatical to see
that, as self-critique is not present in/amongst enviros.....
ahahahaha...

[Old Man] Agreed, green-shits are politicos, and they deserve to
be treated as such, but no, there are constructive, non-
regulatory (voluntary) programs that have economic
value.
The Feds and states provide funding for the planting
of shelter belts on farms and along roadways. There's
also the agricultural extension service which is strictly
advisory (research & education).
On the other hand, the regulation of soil erosion and
water managment are largely corrupt on the local level.

[hanson]

Hear! hear! That is the kind of info I want to see spread.
Pointing out excesses perpetrated by green shits, who for
too long have raped & milked the treasuries of the countries
around the world under their con-slogan and guise of being
the "Stewards of the environment". Fact is that
= The green movement was always & only a sick machination=
= & a cover to get $$$ grants, permit charges & user fees to =
= feed green shits, be they politicians, consultants, activists or=
= regulators. Environmentalism is just a despicable evil green=
= $$$$$$ game without any redeeming value, nor any intent =
= to save anything. This 50 year old scam is now threatened =
= which is why all those leeching green turds are whining =

Make no mistake enviro turds span the entire political spectrum,
from atheistic ex-commie pinkos at the far Left to the bible
beating Neocons in the far Right.. for money is GREEN to all.
That is what it's all about and that's what the enviros are after.
If they do admit to that, I'll shut up immediately.
But till then I say: ** f*** enviros! **..... ahahaha... however,
I'll be saying that for a long time given their latest big time
and extremely destructive money con, their carbon tax.
ahahaha... ahahanson
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:15 am    Post subject: Re: pleochroism Reply with quote

In article <y93acnis1o6.fsf@nestle.csail.mit.edu>, Allan Adler
<ara@nestle.csail.mit.edu> wrote:

Quote:
Are there ab initio computations that let one predict that a certain
crystal will be pleochroic and to predict the angle through which the
plane of polarization of light will be rotated as a function of the
frequency of the light? References to the relevant literature are welcome.
--
Ignorantly,
Allan Adler <ara@zurich.csail.mit.edu

Several books on crystal and mineral optics, but not ab initio (dear old
Winchell, Duparc,..). Most thorough theoretical treatment by H. Bouasse:
Optique cristalline (Paris, 1925.) Most past books were aimed at
petrographic determination of rock-forming minerals.

Ab initio computations will embody chemical composition and structure
(including isomorphic replacements, especially by Transition
Metals),thickness of the sample, structural defects, diaphaneity
(semi-transparent and opaque compounds receive a different treatment).
Instrumental performances (depending on polarizing microscope design and
objectives) will intervene when gauging theory against experimental
values.

J.J.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: Confronting America's Environmental Ignorance Reply with quote

In article <1114730588.296643.166860@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"muha" <muhammar@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
MTBE is not toxic. They have even used it in patients to dissolve
galbladder stones as a less invasive alternative to a surgery. Here we
are talkin about washing liver bile ducts with neat solvent!

MTBE has a strong minty+camphor smell and a disgusting taste. It is
enviro-stable and fairly water-soluble - so a little gas pump reservoir
leak will spoil a lot of water. If I had water well with MTBE in it, I
would complain too.

But no, MTBE does not cause cancer.

MTBE has been shown to cause lymphomas and leukemias in laboratory animals,

as well as cancers of the kidney, liver, testicles, and uterus. In one
study, rats and mice were exposed to various concentrations of MTBE vapors.
After chronic inhalation of MTBE, female rats were found to have an excess
number of liver tumors (hepatocellular adenomas) at the highest MTBE
concentration (8,000 parts per million). Neither male rats nor mice of
either sex were found to have any excess cancers at any concentration
(Bird, 1997).

Another study examined the effect of long-term oral administration of
various concentrations of MTBE. After chronic MTBE ingestion, male rats
were found to develop Leydig interstitial cell tumors of the testes (a type
of testicular cancer). A dose-response relationship was seen in female
rats, whose risk for lymphomas and leukemias increased with increasing
concentrations of MTBE (Belpoggi, 1995).

A second study of orally administered MTBE by the same researchers
confirmed the results of the first. Male rats developed testicular cancer,
and female rats developed leukemias and lymphomas in a dose dependent
manner. Female rats were also found to develop uterine cancer at lower
doses, a new finding not observed in the first study (Belpoggi, 1997).

Finally, a 1997 study found that chronic inhalation of high levels of MTBE
caused renal tubular cell neoplasms (a type of kidney cancer) in male rats
and hepatocellular adenomas (liver cancer) in female mice. The same study
found an increased risk of testicular cancer in male rats and lymphomas and
leukemias (combined) in female rats after chronic ingestion of MTBE.

There have been complaints of nausea, dizziness, lightheadedness,
headaches, and eye, nose, and throat irritation in several areas where MTBE
use is high. At this time, however, the epidemiologic evidence linking
these symptoms to MTBE exposure is inconclusive (NIEHS, 1998).

The health effects of short-term exposures to large amounts of MTBE in
humans are not known. Animal studies have shown adverse effects on the
nervous system ranging from hyperactivity and in coordination to
convulsions and unconsciousness. Human health effects of long-term
exposures to smaller amounts of MTBE have not been identified. Animal
studies have shown kidney damage and adverse effects on fetal development,
in addition to excess cancers as discussed above.


-- cancer.org
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:25 am    Post subject: Re: chemistry bonding principle flawed?? Reply with quote

In article <1114776205.543408.18800@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote:
Quote:

bz wrote:
"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in news:1114752227.500464.102410
@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

i am not a good salesman

You can change that. Whether or not you do depends on your
priorities.

not at all in my priority
i never asked a cent fo rmy book!

When you can't get people to pay to read your ideas, perhaps that in itself
is telling you something.
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Posts: 395

PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:25 am    Post subject: Re: chemistry bonding principle flawed?? Reply with quote

bz wrote:
Quote:
"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in news:1114752227.500464.102410
@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

[snip]


Quote:
thats the most i can do
yet i am comvinced that
on th elong run my theory is marching on !!

Why are all crackpots always so *utterly* convinced that they
are right, and that someday in the future everyone will recognize
that?


Quote:
and i already made some advance even on that issue of 92 electrons
and in spight my poor tools :

at the beginning the genius from Hedelberg &co. claimes that 92
electrons extractind
one by one ... is a daly practice job
later (a few years later) he admitted that he coulod not find a direct
data evidence for it .

I admitted nothing like that. I just said that I can't find (after a
very quick, short search) a description of how exactly that's done.


Quote:
And yet we finally found a place where they DO make U (92+).

I see you still underestimate Porat's ability to deny reality.



Quote:
the bext situation was that every one thought that such an experiment
is flat simple
now together with you we realised that such experiment was never done-
with the explicit prpous of examining if there are exactly 92 electrons
in U

We did not need to "realize" that - it was clear right from the start
that such an experiment was not done. Simply because it's not necessary.


[snip]


Quote:
th next stage is that you claime that it is not needed at all

That's not the "next stage". I said that right from the start.


[snip]



Bye,
Bjoern
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