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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:42 am    Post subject: Re: Easier Money!! Reply with quote

I here not to waste my time to read such these trivial e-mails.

In fact, your message is not in the right place.

good luck -in other groups!!!!-.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:18 pm    Post subject: Re: OK what is the diferance between carbide and powdered metal ? Reply with quote

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:30:35 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
Cliff wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:18:30 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote:

Cliff wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:37:10 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote:

It's not my fault that you are unable to support your claim, and seem
to be in a snit over it.

Ah, but you see ...... I know what metals are <G>.

Cliff:

By all means, let's hear your definition of what metals are, and/or
their properties.

Metals are metals, BB.

Cliff:

Just thought I'd clean up some lose ends while I have a few minutes to
spare.

The weekend draws near <GG>.

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You have been bragging about how you "Know what metals are", but when I
asked you to grace us with your definition of metals, and their
properties, all you could come up with was "Metal are metals?" LOL

Yep. Them's metals allright.

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Do
you really think that's a cogent response, that's about as useless and
uninformative an answer as anyone could give.

Unlike Wick snips, eh?

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Metals have various definitions,

Gee, which one is TRUE?

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and properties.

Or they'd all be the same, right?
And if you cannot tell two things apart I suppose that they are
the same thing, right?
Just one poor lonesome little electron exists in all of space & time ...

Quote:
I'll list a few from Wikipedia below.

=================================================================
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal

In chemistry, a metal (Greek: Metallon) is an element that readily
forms ions (cations) and has metallic bonds, and metals are sometimes
described as a lattice of positive ions (cations) in a cloud of
electrons

The allotropes of metals tend to be lustrous, ductile, malleable, and
good conductors, while nonmetals generally speaking are brittle (for
solid nonmetals), lack luster, and are insulators.

Alloys

An alloy is a mixture with metallic properties that contains at least
one metal element. Examples of alloys are steel (iron and carbon), brass
(copper and zinc), bronze (copper and tin), and duralumin (aluminium and
copper).

Physical properties

Traditionally,

Nuns are big on tradition.

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metals have certain characteristic physical properties:
they are usually shiny (they have "luster"), have a high density, are
ductile and malleable, usually have a high melting point, are usually
hard, and conduct electricity and heat well.
=================================================================



I'm not the one that is having trouble backing up his claim.

I don't need to <GGG>.

You don't NEED to? You were bragging about knowing what metals are,
but when I challenged you to present some evidence of why you believe
Tungsten carbide is NOT a metal all you've got to say is "I don't need
to <GGG>"? Either you know, or you don't.

You & your lint think it's faith-based again? Subject to you two changing
your opine again later I suppose ....

"Faith based"? You're such a kidder. When challenged to support your
claim that tungsten carbide was not a metal YOU were the one that said
"I don't have to."

I did not have to<G>.

Quote:
YOU were the one that was bragging about knowing
what metals were and when actually asked for your definition and
properties of metals all you had to say was "Metals are metals."?

I don't need lint to guess what metals are or are not.

Quote:
I was
the one that has posted the definition and properties of metals from
credible encyclopedias and then YOU have the audacity to say my post of
scientific data on metals is "Faith Based"? LMAO!

"why you believe"

Quote:
You HAVE heard of
the psychological affliction called "projection", haven't you? You
know, where someone accuses others of faults they themselves possess to
deflect attention away from their own shortcomings.

Smells fishy.

Quote:
Are you claiming that elemental Tungsten is NOT a metal? Better go
look at a periodic table of the elements if you're in doubt.

What part of "CARBIDE" was unclear?

Do you see the word "CARBIDE" in my sentence above where I said: "I
think we have established beyond a reasonable doubt that Tungsten is a
metal."

But THAT's not at all the subject, now is it?

You were responding to what I wrote. I never mentioned carbide in that
sentence. I suggest you try reading for content, for a change. <g

You used it to opine about Carbides .... LOL ....

Nope. You better go reread the exchange for content. I was speaking
strictly about tungsten in that exchange.

You claimed Tungsten Carbide (or was that Carbides in general?) were
metals because Tungsten is a metal (in rebuttal).
Or was the lint just confused?

Quote:
You claimed to know the facts, but when I asked you to support your
position you failed to present any. What do you think that says about
your "claimed" knowledge of the facts?

That they make mighty fine bait at times <GG>.

Bait? That sounds suspiciously like an attempt to use weasel words to
cover your lack of knowledge of the subject matter after all your
bragging.

I just stated that Carbides were not metals, contrary to you & your
lint's claims.

Quote:
That, or you REALLY are simply trolling with little thought
given to trying to arrive at the truth. Either way, not exactly the
behavior of someone very interested in contributing in a positive
manner, eh? LOL

Your lint is a true blessing to TRUTH.

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Rocks are opaque too so I suppose that you think that they are metals too ...

Do all rocks have good electrical and thermal conductivity? NO!
Do all rocks have a crystalline structure? NO!

Umm ... you may want to rethink that <G>.

Oh? Why? You've never heard of amphorus (non-crystaline), rock?

You are thinking of glass?

Look up pumice, obsidian, scoria, opal, etc. These ARE considered
"glassy", but my point was that not ALL rocks have a crystalline
structure, to which you seemed to object.

All metals?

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Do all rocks have a luster when polished? NO!

Umm ... you may want to rethink that <G>.

Oh? Why? Are you mistaking smoothness for luster?

Your angle's probably all wrong <G>.


Just look at the clarification given in the first part of this post
from Wik about the properties of metals. "They are usually shiny (they
have "luster")"


http://www.rpi.edu/dept/phys/ScIT/InformationTransfer/reflrefr/rr_content/reflection_20.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:21 pm    Post subject: Re: OK what is the diferance between carbide and powdered metal ? Reply with quote

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:35:19 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
president@carbideprocessors.com wrote:


The
ceramic people tend to think of tungsten carbide as metallic because it
bends. (Boeing twists 6" strips into spirals.) Tungten carbide
people then to think of it as tungsten carbide. Those of us concerned
with its chemical properties tend to think of it as both or either
depending on what we are doing.

Tom:

So if I'm interpreting you correctly, you seem to be saying that
whether tungsten carbide is considered metallic or a metal is somewhat
dependent upon your perspective? That sounds reasonable.

"Considered"? "Perspective"? 4 inch tall 85 ton green & purple Unicorns again?
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Jo Schaper
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: OK what is the diferance between carbide and powdered metal ? Reply with quote

Cliff wrote:

Quote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:35:19 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote:


president@carbideprocessors.com wrote:

The
ceramic people tend to think of tungsten carbide as metallic because it
bends. (Boeing twists 6" strips into spirals.) Tungten carbide
people then to think of it as tungsten carbide. Those of us concerned
with its chemical properties tend to think of it as both or either
depending on what we are doing.

Tom:

So if I'm interpreting you correctly, you seem to be saying that
whether tungsten carbide is considered metallic or a metal is somewhat
dependent upon your perspective? That sounds reasonable.


"Considered"? "Perspective"? 4 inch tall 85 ton green & purple Unicorns again?

There are many carbides. Silca carbide. Tungsten carbide. Calcium
carbide. Calcium carbide is an artificial rock which produces acetylene
in the presence of water, and it has no metallic properties that I can
tell.

Therefore, there is no such thing as 'carbide' anymore than there is
anything which is 'oxide' although there are many things which are oxides.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: OK what is the diferance between carbide and powdered metal ? Reply with quote

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:30:48 -0600, Jo Schaper
<joschapern4ospam@2socketdot.no5net> wrote:

Quote:
Cliff wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:35:19 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote:


president@carbideprocessors.com wrote:

The
ceramic people tend to think of tungsten carbide as metallic because it
bends. (Boeing twists 6" strips into spirals.) Tungten carbide
people then to think of it as tungsten carbide. Those of us concerned
with its chemical properties tend to think of it as both or either
depending on what we are doing.

Tom:

So if I'm interpreting you correctly, you seem to be saying that
whether tungsten carbide is considered metallic or a metal is somewhat
dependent upon your perspective? That sounds reasonable.


"Considered"? "Perspective"? 4 inch tall 85 ton green & purple Unicorns again?

There are many carbides. Silca carbide. Tungsten carbide. Calcium
carbide. Calcium carbide is an artificial rock which produces acetylene
in the presence of water, and it has no metallic properties that I can
tell.

Therefore, there is no such thing as 'carbide' anymore than there is
anything which is 'oxide' although there are many things which are oxides.

Don't tell anyone that Calcium is a metal too <g>.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: OK what is the diferance between carbide and powdered metal ? Reply with quote

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:30:35 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
Do all rocks have a crystalline structure? NO!

Umm ... you may want to rethink that <G>.

Oh? Why? You've never heard of amphorus (non-crystaline), rock?

You are thinking of glass?

Look up pumice,

"Pumice is actually a kind of glass ..."

Quote:
obsidian,

OBSIDIAN (Volcanic Silica Glass)
"Inclusions of small, white, radially clustered crystals of cristobalite in
the black glass produce a blotchy or snowflake pattern producing Snowflake
Obsidian."

Quote:
scoria,

"Scoria is actually a kind of glass .."

Quote:
opal,

"OPAL (Hydrated Silica Glass)"

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etc. These ARE considered
"glassy", but my point was that not ALL rocks have a crystalline
structure, to which you seemed to object.
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Jo Schaper
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: OK what is the diferance between carbide and powdered metal ? Reply with quote

Cliff wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:30:48 -0600, Jo Schaper
joschapern4ospam@2socketdot.no5net> wrote:


Cliff wrote:


On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:35:19 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote:



president@carbideprocessors.com wrote:


The
ceramic people tend to think of tungsten carbide as metallic because it
bends. (Boeing twists 6" strips into spirals.) Tungten carbide
people then to think of it as tungsten carbide. Those of us concerned
with its chemical properties tend to think of it as both or either
depending on what we are doing.

Tom:

So if I'm interpreting you correctly, you seem to be saying that
whether tungsten carbide is considered metallic or a metal is somewhat
dependent upon your perspective? That sounds reasonable.


"Considered"? "Perspective"? 4 inch tall 85 ton green & purple Unicorns again?

There are many carbides. Silca carbide. Tungsten carbide. Calcium
carbide. Calcium carbide is an artificial rock which produces acetylene
in the presence of water, and it has no metallic properties that I can
tell.

Therefore, there is no such thing as 'carbide' anymore than there is
anything which is 'oxide' although there are many things which are oxides.


Don't tell anyone that Calcium is a metal too <g>.

I am aware that chemically calcium the element is classed as a metal,
but I was speaking of calcium carbide, the compound, which more
resembles limestone in its properties than copper, iron, tin, gold,
silver, etc.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:56 am    Post subject: Re: OK what is the diferance between carbide and powdered metal ? Reply with quote

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:25:20 -0600, Jo Schaper
<joschapern4ospam@2socketdot.no5net> wrote:

Quote:
Cliff wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:30:48 -0600, Jo Schaper
joschapern4ospam@2socketdot.no5net> wrote:


Cliff wrote:


On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:35:19 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote:



president@carbideprocessors.com wrote:


The
ceramic people tend to think of tungsten carbide as metallic because it
bends. (Boeing twists 6" strips into spirals.) Tungten carbide
people then to think of it as tungsten carbide. Those of us concerned
with its chemical properties tend to think of it as both or either
depending on what we are doing.

Tom:

So if I'm interpreting you correctly, you seem to be saying that
whether tungsten carbide is considered metallic or a metal is somewhat
dependent upon your perspective? That sounds reasonable.


"Considered"? "Perspective"? 4 inch tall 85 ton green & purple Unicorns again?

There are many carbides. Silca carbide. Tungsten carbide. Calcium
carbide. Calcium carbide is an artificial rock which produces acetylene
in the presence of water, and it has no metallic properties that I can
tell.

Therefore, there is no such thing as 'carbide' anymore than there is
anything which is 'oxide' although there are many things which are oxides.


Don't tell anyone that Calcium is a metal too <g>.

I am aware that chemically calcium the element is classed as a metal,
but I was speaking of calcium carbide, the compound, which more
resembles limestone in its properties than copper, iron, tin, gold,
silver, etc.

I thought so.
But it was bait for BottleBob <G>.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:04 am    Post subject: Re: OK what is the diferance between carbide and powdered metal ? Reply with quote

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 17:56:55 -0500, Wade Berlin <wade@phoenixfestivals.com>
wrote:

Quote:
In article <43D4DBF4.D0DBE3A5@earthlink.net>,
BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote:

You're the one that said you "knew better", yet you have presented no
factual evidence, or even a plausible explanation so far, that in any
way contradicts the premise that Tungsten Carbide is a metal.

I by no means want to be associated with a well known troll,

BottleBob's not actually that bad.

Quote:
however, I
think the phrase is "Mettalic", not metal. Carbon is a non-metal,
Tungston is a metal, and the resulting alloy is metallic, not a metal.

But Tungsten Carbide is not an alloy.

Quote:
Apologies in advance if someone else pointed this out.

HTH

And geeze .... "OK what is the diferance between carbide and powdered metal ?"
That's about like asking a neocon or a fundie what truth is.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:11 am    Post subject: Re: OK what is the diferance between carbide and powdered metal ? Reply with quote

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:21:48 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
What we seem to have here is an overlapping use of ill-defined and
unclear terms. Some usage is chemically related, some atomic structure
related, some materials properties related, and some shop
slang/shorthand related.

Don't forget the lint related <G>.

"What is a metal?", "What is Calcium Carbide?", etc.
What Is Jeopardy?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:59 am    Post subject: Re: O.T.- Chrome plating on salt water boat items?? Reply with quote

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:32:58 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
Cliff wrote:


People think that the Iron Age provided great advantages over the
Bronze age.
Yet many Bronzes are stronger & harder than most Steels IIRC.

Cliff:

Maybe you could help me out here, I can't seem to find any Bronze end
mills in my MSC catalog.

So?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:34 am    Post subject: Re: OK what is the diferance between carbide and powdered metal ? Reply with quote

When you get down to the Chemical chart - most of the 'upper' part -
Above the rare earths - most of the top is a metal.
Hydrogen on the left and then Nitrogen, Ox, F, the Noble gases
S, CL Br I and ?maybe At.

Martin
Martin Eastburn
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Jo Schaper wrote:
Quote:
Cliff wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:30:48 -0600, Jo Schaper
joschapern4ospam@2socketdot.no5net> wrote:


Cliff wrote:


On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:35:19 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net
wrote:



president@carbideprocessors.com wrote:


The
ceramic people tend to think of tungsten carbide as metallic
because it
bends. (Boeing twists 6" strips into spirals.) Tungten carbide
people then to think of it as tungsten carbide. Those of us
concerned
with its chemical properties tend to think of it as both or either
depending on what we are doing.


Tom:

So if I'm interpreting you correctly, you seem to be saying that
whether tungsten carbide is considered metallic or a metal is somewhat
dependent upon your perspective? That sounds reasonable.



"Considered"? "Perspective"? 4 inch tall 85 ton green & purple
Unicorns again?


There are many carbides. Silca carbide. Tungsten carbide. Calcium
carbide. Calcium carbide is an artificial rock which produces
acetylene in the presence of water, and it has no metallic properties
that I can tell.

Therefore, there is no such thing as 'carbide' anymore than there is
anything which is 'oxide' although there are many things which are
oxides.



Don't tell anyone that Calcium is a metal too <g>.


I am aware that chemically calcium the element is classed as a metal,
but I was speaking of calcium carbide, the compound, which more
resembles limestone in its properties than copper, iron, tin, gold,
silver, etc.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:41 am    Post subject: Re: OK what is the diferance between carbide and powdered metal ? Reply with quote

I have nice chunk of Snowflake Obsidian and a spotty version - tacky looking.

Mt. Lassen - Northern Ca - is a good source of Snowflake and clear. It is a
glassy volcano. Some are not.

Eastern New Mexico has a number of Lava flows - they have made highways paved in it.

Naturally the west is busy with Glasses.

Martin
Martin Eastburn
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NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Cliff wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:30:35 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote:


Do all rocks have a crystalline structure? NO!

Umm ... you may want to rethink that <G>.

Oh? Why? You've never heard of amphorus (non-crystaline), rock?

You are thinking of glass?

Look up pumice,


"Pumice is actually a kind of glass ..."


obsidian,


OBSIDIAN (Volcanic Silica Glass)
"Inclusions of small, white, radially clustered crystals of cristobalite in
the black glass produce a blotchy or snowflake pattern producing Snowflake
Obsidian."


scoria,


"Scoria is actually a kind of glass .."


opal,


"OPAL (Hydrated Silica Glass)"


etc. These ARE considered
"glassy", but my point was that not ALL rocks have a crystalline
structure, to which you seemed to object.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:22 am    Post subject: Re: OK what is the diferance between carbide and powdered metal ? Reply with quote

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:34:57 -0600, "Martin H. Eastburn"
<lionslair@consolidated.net> wrote:

Quote:
When you get down to the Chemical chart - most of the 'upper' part -
Above the rare earths - most of the top is a metal.

HUH?

Quote:
Hydrogen on the left and then Nitrogen, Ox, F, the Noble gases
S, CL Br I and ?maybe At.

Hydrogen is a metal, right?
Fits right in above Lithium .....
BTW, The Periodic Chart *really* should be in sort of a 3D "spiral".
http://periodictable.com/pages/AAE_SeaborgPhoto.html
The "Alexander Arrangement" and Glenn Seaborg's favorite periodic table.
http://www.scs-intl.com/alexander.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: O.T.- Chrome plating on salt water boat items?? Reply with quote

Cliff wrote:

Cross posting materials stuff to news groups like sci.engr.metallurgy
and sci.engr.chem would make far more sense than Mechanical Engineering
groups.
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