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Dave111 science forum beginner
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:52 am Post subject:
DOES MATHS HAVE ALL ANSWERS?



Hi everyone, I wonder if there is a discipline in maths to express knowledge, i mean, to express knowledge by mathematics expressions...is it possible?
Regards and thanks 

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Virgil science forum Guru
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject:
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<27978747.1150541551026.JavaMail.jakarta@nitrogen.mathforum.org>,
Dave <kohonen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:  Hi everyone, I wonder if there is a discipline in maths to express knowledge,
i mean, to express knowledge by mathematics expressions...is it possible?
Regards and thanks

Math does not even have all the questions. 

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John Meglier science forum beginner
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:06 am Post subject:
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"Dave" <kohonen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:  Hi everyone, I wonder if there is a discipline in maths to express
knowledge, i mean, to express knowledge by mathematics expressions...is it
possible?
Regards and thanks

yes 

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Dave111 science forum beginner
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:32 am Post subject:
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First of all, thanks for your answer.
When i ask for a relation between maths and global knowledge .
For example, for an architect,we can build a system that can have a conversation with a person and then the program can tell us the dimensions of a building, and technical parameters based on some maths expressions.....but...can we have expressions of the konwledge as itself??
Actualy I am finishing Computer Science, Ive studied Information Theory, Knowledge Ingeniering, Neurocomputation, Artificial Intelligence, and other disciplines that gave to me a very interesting focus of the knowledge of human being... I I trust that maths can explain everything, and when I mean everything I am talking about expressions that can explain the "learning" , the "intention", and everything that a human mind can do.
I wonder if its possible to study a new discipline or, to create it if it doesnt exist, to create the human knowledge, but based on maths, just on maths.
So I will try to work on it when i do mi PhD, but, I kno that u are people that know a lot of maths, and i was wondering what do you think, or what have u heard abot this.
Thanks a lot!!! 

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Frreita science forum addict
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:53 am Post subject:
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"Dave" <kohonen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:  First of all, thanks for your answer.
When i ask for a relation between maths and global knowledge .
For example, for an architect,we can build a system that can have a
conversation with a person and then the program can tell us the dimensions
of a building, and technical parameters based on some maths
expressions.....but...can we have expressions of the konwledge as itself??

actually not, that is engineering, too many tradeoffs for math
Quote: 
Actualy I am finishing Computer Science, Ive studied Information Theory,
Knowledge Ingeniering, Neurocomputation, Artificial Intelligence, and
other disciplines that gave to me a very interesting focus of the
knowledge of human being... I I trust that maths can explain everything,
and when I mean everything I am talking about expressions that can explain
the "learning" , the "intention", and everything that a human mind can do.

knowledge is data, not math. use databases
Quote:  I wonder if its possible to study a new discipline or, to create it if it
doesnt exist, to create the human knowledge, but based on maths, just on
maths.
So I will try to work on it when i do mi PhD, but, I kno that u are people
that know a lot of maths, and i was wondering what do you think, or what
have u heard abot this.

checkout artifical intellegence


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Gerry Myerson science forum Guru
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:43 am Post subject:
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In article
<8234794.1150590795923.JavaMail.jakarta@nitrogen.mathforum.org>,
Dave <kohonen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:  So I will try to work on it when i do mi PhD, but, I kno that u are people
that know a lot of maths, and i was wondering what do you think, or what have
u heard abot this.

My advice is to look for a department that doesn't have
a literacy requirement.

Gerry Myerson (gerry@maths.mq.edi.ai) (i > u for email) 

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guenther.vonKnakspott@gmx science forum Guru Wannabe
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:05 am Post subject:
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Dave wrote:
Quote:  Hi everyone, I wonder if there is a discipline in maths to express knowledge, i mean, to express knowledge by mathematics expressions...is it possible?
Regards and thanks
Not at all. Mathematics tells you nothing about reality. 


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mike3 science forum addict
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:22 am Post subject:
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guenther vonKnakspot wrote:
Quote:  Dave wrote:
Hi everyone, I wonder if there is a discipline in maths to express knowledge, i mean, to express knowledge by mathematics expressions...is it possible?
Regards and thanks
Not at all. Mathematics tells you nothing about reality.

Mathematics does not *tell* you anything about reality, yes,
but it can be used to *describe* reality. That's what they do
in physics. 

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mike3 science forum addict
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:25 am Post subject:
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Dave wrote:
Quote:  Hi everyone, I wonder if there is a discipline in maths to express knowledge, i mean, to express knowledge by mathematics expressions...is it possible?
Regards and thanks

Some forms of knowledge are easier to express with mathematics than
others, but
theoretically, you could describe anything with it if you want to get
intricate enough.
Like any language, mathematics works good for describing some things
and isn't
as good for describing others. Just like, theoretically, you could
describe the shape
of the curve "y = x^2" to a great accuracy in the English language, but
it would be
far too unwieldy to use, that's for sure.
Does mathematics "have all answers"? Probably not. There are problems
out there
that continue to baffle people even after many decades. 

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Abstract Dissonance science forum Guru Wannabe
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject:
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<mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote: 
Dave wrote:
Hi everyone, I wonder if there is a discipline in maths to express
knowledge, i mean, to express knowledge by mathematics expressions...is
it possible?
Regards and thanks
Some forms of knowledge are easier to express with mathematics than
others, but
theoretically, you could describe anything with it if you want to get
intricate enough.

Can you prove that? 

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guenther.vonKnakspott@gmx science forum Guru Wannabe
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:45 pm Post subject:
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mike4ty4@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote:  guenther vonKnakspot wrote:
Dave wrote:
Hi everyone, I wonder if there is a discipline in maths to express knowledge, i mean, to express knowledge by mathematics expressions...is it possible?
Regards and thanks
Not at all. Mathematics tells you nothing about reality.
Mathematics does not *tell* you anything about reality, yes,
but it can be used to *describe* reality. That's what they do
in physics.
Yes, in that sense you are right. But in the sense implied by the title 
of the Thread, the amount of knowledge expresable by Mathematics is
negligible. 

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