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FrediFizzx
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:52 am    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum Reply with quote

"PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150934759.575727.281730@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Quote:

GSS wrote:
Permittivity (eps_0) and Permeability (mu_0) Constants of Vacuum
represent fundamental characteristics or fundamental properties of
the
physical space or vacuum. For detailed presentation of this notion,
kindly refer to,

http://www.geocities.com/gurcharn_sandhu/htm_art/eps_mu.html

GSS

That's incorrect. The values they have are accidents of the choice of
units.

Actually not really an accident. More like "required" by the choice of
units.

Quote:
With a suitable choice of units, those values become either 1 or some
multiple of pi that comes from geometric convenience. There is nothing
in those values that would suggest that the vacuum is a physical
medium
for anything.

Can you define "geometric convenience" for us? I wonder what might be
producing these "geometries". Wink If we set eps0 to 1 we get something
that resembles Heaviside-Lorentz units. However with eps0 = 1, then
Coulomb's constant becomes 1/4pi. So we still have a "geometrical"
factor to deal with. Doesn't seem to be any way of getting rid of them.

Our Quantum Vacuum Charge concept smooths this all out (the geometrical
aspects) but does require a relativistic medium of an unusual nature.
It really is debatable as to whether or not the detection of a photon
can be considered to be detection of this medium. It is purely an
interpretational issue.

FrediFizzx
http://www.vacuum-physics.com
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Jan Panteltje
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum Reply with quote

On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:36:19 GMT) it happened HW@..(Henri Wilson)
wrote in <k3ij92hrh3sppri1vpnfou76uit49lj4g0@4ax.com>:

Quote:
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:26:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpeatmje@yahoo.com
wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:36:43 GMT) it happened HW@..(Henri Wilson)
wrote in <0otg92t7bn5au2hato1n0dm0qirveic7vr@4ax.com>:

You have wrongly attributed this message to me.
....please apologise or I'll sue.

Oh go to hell.
I replied to a text in a posting that was in itself correctly prepended
with

Bullshit.
Your primary reference was to me when it should have been to Androcles.


It was verbatim from your posting.
So either you were mentally absent when you quoted that >>> part, and
do not know the meaning of '>>>>>', or you DID know that it refers to OTHER
postings.

In the first case nothing goes, in the second case, that you were by your
senses and did know what you were doing, and that >>>>>> refers to OTHER
postings, you cannot complain if you are quoted referring to _such other
postings_

I went to google groups and entered:
'Henry Wilson sue'.

You seem to like to sue people, specially poor Androcles, who may not know
everything about everything, but I am sure neither do you or I.

So in that light, after checking with my legal team, it is considered
a possibility that you sue people for a living.
Like that lady that was hit so badly by cars hundreds of times, and got
big time money from all the drivers that never even saw her.

This is a mis-use of the legal system, in some places perhaps even punishable
by torture.
Will give you 10 years in the slammer.
One could then collect all victims, and look for some millions compensation
for sustained emotional damages, so it would be a work camp.
That is not all, I could have you extradited likely, but as I think you are
in the US (where else would they sue somebody for something said on Usenet),
I am gone leave you there, as I just did read a federal agent was shot by
prison guards who abused female prisoners for drugs.
If they do that to federal agents, then what do they do top prisoners.
So have the 10.

Bye!!!!!
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GSS
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum Reply with quote

PD wrote:
Quote:
GSS wrote:
Permittivity (eps_0) and Permeability (mu_0) Constants of Vacuum
represent fundamental characteristics or fundamental properties of the
physical space or vacuum. For detailed presentation of this notion,
kindly refer to,

http://www.geocities.com/gurcharn_sandhu/htm_art/eps_mu.html

GSS

That's incorrect. The values they have are accidents of the choice of
units.
With a suitable choice of units, those values become either 1 or some
multiple of pi that comes from geometric convenience. There is nothing
in those values that would suggest that the vacuum is a physical medium
for anything.

Remember that in suitable unit system, the speed of light is 1 and
dimensionless.

PD

PD, please be honest and tell me whether you have made the above
observations after reading my article or without reading it. I would
like to discuss it in detail with you only after you have done the
first reading. Of course you must be in a position to distinguish
between the terms 'dimensions' and 'units'.

GSS
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dda1
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum Reply with quote

Scumbag Gurcharn Sandhu wrote:

<sorry, snipped>

No one reads your s**t, scumbag.
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Henri Wilson
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Permittivity and Permeability Constants of Vacuum Reply with quote

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:04:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpeatmje@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Quote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:36:19 GMT) it happened HW@..(Henri Wilson)
wrote in <k3ij92hrh3sppri1vpnfou76uit49lj4g0@4ax.com>:

On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:26:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpeatmje@yahoo.com
wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:36:43 GMT) it happened HW@..(Henri Wilson)
wrote in <0otg92t7bn5au2hato1n0dm0qirveic7vr@4ax.com>:

You have wrongly attributed this message to me.
....please apologise or I'll sue.

Oh go to hell.
I replied to a text in a posting that was in itself correctly prepended
with

Bullshit.
Your primary reference was to me when it should have been to Androcles.


It was verbatim from your posting.
So either you were mentally absent when you quoted that >>> part, and
do not know the meaning of '>>>>>', or you DID know that it refers to OTHER
postings.

This is he start of your posting:

"""""
On a sunny day (Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:49:05 GMT) it happened HW@..(Henri Wilson)
wrote in <7ege929lfmngovvfunes2ponehob9fb57l@4ax.com>:

Quote:
Never mind the value, define what you mean by "impedance
of nothing", Potter.

| 5. The z from cathode to anode is NOT zero.

Indeed


Quote:
You don't seem to know the difference between AC and DC, Potter.
The effective resistance, known as impedance, is found from
Ohms's law R = E/I, Potter, and for a capacitor is frequency dependent.
A DC circuit as in a TV tube has a frequency of zero, Potter.
It's a short circuit, Potter, not a 377 ohm resistor.

Total and utterly bulshit.
A normal CRT (color) has 3 electron guns, with each about .5 mA (500 ua)
max current (normal operation), so a total of 1.5mA electron current to the
high voltage connection from the cathode*S*.
The high voltage is 25kV, so the impedance seen would be 25000 / .0015 =
16 666 666 Ohm, or 16 MOhm. (mega ohm).

etc.
"""""""""""""

None of the quoted lines were mine.

Quote:

In the first case nothing goes, in the second case, that you were by your
senses and did know what you were doing, and that >>>>>> refers to OTHER
postings, you cannot complain if you are quoted referring to _such other
postings_

I went to google groups and entered:
'Henry Wilson sue'.

You seem to like to sue people, specially poor Androcles, who may not know
everything about everything, but I am sure neither do you or I.

Yes. Androcles owes me several bottles of wine.
I have never threatened to sue anyone else.

But OK, I have decided not to sue this time because you are not really a
diehard member of the SRian baboon brigade.



HW.
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