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brianushman@gmail.com
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:55 pm    Post subject: Identity Matrix Reply with quote

Hello, and thank you for reading. Hopefully someone can explain what
the exact purpose of an Identity Matrix is?

If the Identity matrix is I than [I][A] = [A] your output is the same
as your input which is why it's called identity. But I do not
understand the value of having this... if my input is going to be the
same as the output than that seems like a waisted operation.
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NotP
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Identity Matrix Reply with quote

<brianushman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Hello, and thank you for reading. Hopefully someone can explain what
the exact purpose of an Identity Matrix is?

If the Identity matrix is I than [I][A] = [A] your output is the same
as your input which is why it's called identity. But I do not
understand the value of having this... if my input is going to be the
same as the output than that seems like a waisted operation.


I guess we should get rid of zero, too.
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fishfry
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Re: Identity Matrix Reply with quote

In article <1151798107.555599.272810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
brianushman@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:
Hello, and thank you for reading. Hopefully someone can explain what
the exact purpose of an Identity Matrix is?

If the Identity matrix is I than [I][A] = [A] your output is the same
as your input which is why it's called identity. But I do not
understand the value of having this... if my input is going to be the
same as the output than that seems like a waisted operation.

Good point. We should get rid of the number 1 for the same reason.
Multiply it by any number and you get back the same number. Who needs it!
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Stephen Montgomery-Smith1
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:10 am    Post subject: Re: Identity Matrix Reply with quote

brianushman@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
Hello, and thank you for reading. Hopefully someone can explain what
the exact purpose of an Identity Matrix is?

If the Identity matrix is I than [I][A] = [A] your output is the same
as your input which is why it's called identity. But I do not
understand the value of having this... if my input is going to be the
same as the output than that seems like a waisted operation.

You want to have some kind of symbol to represent "do nothing." For one
thing, it gives you a point of comparison. So for example, how do you
define the inverse? It is that, when combined with the operation, ends
up with doing nothing.
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Aage Andersen
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:10 am    Post subject: Re: Identity Matrix Reply with quote

<brianushman@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1151798107.555599.272810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
Hello, and thank you for reading. Hopefully someone can explain what
the exact purpose of an Identity Matrix is?

If the Identity matrix is I than [I][A] = [A] your output is the same
as your input which is why it's called identity. But I do not
understand the value of having this... if my input is going to be the
same as the output than that seems like a waisted operation.

You can add or subtract I to some other matrix.

Aage
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Gottfried Helms
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:59 am    Post subject: Re: Identity Matrix Reply with quote

Am 02.07.2006 01:56 schrieb NotP:
Quote:
brianushman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151798107.555599.272810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Hello, and thank you for reading. Hopefully someone can explain what
the exact purpose of an Identity Matrix is?

If the Identity matrix is I than [I][A] = [A] your output is the same
as your input which is why it's called identity. But I do not
understand the value of having this... if my input is going to be the
same as the output than that seems like a waisted operation.


I guess we should get rid of zero, too.


I too Smile


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Daher Hicham
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Joined: 30 May 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: Identity Matrix Reply with quote

Hello,

The identity matrix is an important tool. I call it a tool and that is
for several reasons. You should keep in mid that matrices are a simple
organisation of numbers. Operations with matrices can reflect
complicated system of equations. The value of the identity matrix is
not only in the fact that it is neutral in multiplications but also it
reduces the time that we need if we look into the system of equation
equation by equation. The identity matrix simplify the work in
inference and econometric work. You can find alot of cases where the
identity matrix reduce the cost of calculus (such in sociology, medical
research....).

Hicha DAHER
brianushman@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
Hello, and thank you for reading. Hopefully someone can explain what
the exact purpose of an Identity Matrix is?

If the Identity matrix is I than [I][A] = [A] your output is the same
as your input which is why it's called identity. But I do not
understand the value of having this... if my input is going to be the
same as the output than that seems like a waisted operation.
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Oscar Lanzi III
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Joined: 30 Apr 2005
Posts: 176

PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:21 am    Post subject: Re: Identity Matrix Reply with quote

Multiplication by an identity matrix looks like nothing, but the
idenbtity matrix enters nontrivially into more complex operations.

The example everyone knows is the equation that determines eigenvalues
of a matrix. Any eigenvalue lambda of a matrix M satisfies the
equation:

det(M-lambda*I) = 0

You can't directly subtract a scalar, lambda, from the matrix M, but
multiplying by I turns lambda into a matrix that functions like the
original scalar.

--OL
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