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Timothy87
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:16 am    Post subject: The problem with infinite and the existance of existance

Hi all, im not completly shure where to post this
but here it is anyway. I found this on another discusion forum some time ago, where they were trying to figure out wether time and existance itself is infact 'infinant' the problem lies within- you cannot traverse a location in an infinant amount of space and time. That was the conclusion untill somebody came up with this theory (seen below). my Math isnt all that good, could sombody tell me please if any of this is valid?
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We can safely assume that at one point during the infinite length of time, there was nothingness. A total void. 0.
We can safely assume that we are in fact interacting with a positive amount of matter as we speak. (We'll call it 1... cause boolean is simple).

Now, we started with 0, we now have 1 (WITHIN our universe)... therefore, to complete the equation, there must be a -1 also within our universe.
1 + (-1) = 0.
There exists an equal amount of negative matter and energy within our universe as there is positive matter and energy.

0 -> 1 and -1
Hence you have created something, from nothing.

The real brain masher is the fact that if you ADD EVERYTHING in the universe together, the sum is NOTHING!
Therefore, the universe itself is actually nothing at all!

Its all very basic math. Stuff we immediately overlook when thinking of something as complex as the universe.

Now that the religious have posed a question as such, and I have given you your answer...

If some GOD created EVERYTHING... what created god?
And the creator of god...
And its creator...
THAT I know you CANT answer.

Unless of course you say that he came about as a result of the big bang... the divide of nothing into positive and negative quantities which resulted in our universe.

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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:32 am    Post subject: Re: The problem with infinite and the existance of existance

Timothy87 wrote:
 Quote: Hi all, im not completly shure where to post this but here it is anyway. I found this on another discusion forum some time ago, where they were trying to figure out wether time and existance itself is infact 'infinant' the problem lies within- you cannot traverse a location in an infinant amount of space and time. That was the conclusion untill somebody came up with this theory (seen below). my Math isnt all that good, could sombody tell me please if any of this is valid? ----------------------------------------------- We can safely assume that at one point during the infinite length of time, there was nothingness. A total void. 0. We can safely assume that we are in fact interacting with a positive amount of matter as we speak. (We'll call it 1... cause boolean is simple). Now, we started with 0, we now have 1 (WITHIN our universe)... therefore, to complete the equation, there must be a -1 also within our universe. 1 + (-1) = 0. There exists an equal amount of negative matter and energy within our universe as there is positive matter and energy. 0 -> 1 and -1 Hence you have created something, from nothing. The real brain masher is the fact that if you ADD EVERYTHING in the universe together, the sum is NOTHING! Therefore, the universe itself is actually nothing at all! Its all very basic math. Stuff we immediately overlook when thinking of something as complex as the universe. Now that the religious have posed a question as such, and I have given you your answer... If some GOD created EVERYTHING... what created god? And the creator of god... And its creator... THAT I know you CANT answer. Unless of course you say that he came about as a result of the big bang... the divide of nothing into positive and negative quantities which resulted in our universe. But then again... that answer is already claimed by science.

The answer to your dilemma is that cybernetically there are just two
infinities: the potential, and the actualized.
Michael Stemper
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:36 pm    Post subject: Re: The problem with infinite and the existance of existance

In article <23361640.1152249440640.JavaMail.jakarta@nitrogen.mathforum.org>, Timothy87 writes:

 Quote: The real brain masher is the fact that if you ADD EVERYTHING in the universe together, the sum is NOTHING! Therefore, the universe itself is actually nothing at all!

I believe that Mr. Douglas N. Adams expressed it more clearly:

Population: None.

It is known that there is an infinite number of worlds, simply because
there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not
every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite
number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is
as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all
the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows
that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any
people you meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged
imagination.

--
Michael F. Stemper
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Timothy87
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 Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:05 am    Post subject: Re: The problem with infinite and the existance of existance You are talking about the Greenbank Equasion? (N=R* Fp Ne Fl Fc L) Michael?
Proginoskes
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: The problem with infinite and the existance of existance

Timothy87 wrote:
 Quote: You are talking about the Greenbank Equasion? (N=R* Fp Ne Fl Fc L) Michael?

Congratulations! Your post has become the 1,000,000,000th to remove the

Now: Michael Stemper wrote:
 Quote: In article <23361640.1152249440640.JavaMail.jakarta@nitrogen.mathforum.org>, Timothy87 writes: The real brain masher is the fact that if you ADD EVERYTHING in the universe together, the sum is NOTHING! Therefore, the universe itself is actually nothing at all! I believe that Mr. Douglas N. Adams expressed it more clearly: Population: None. It is known that there is an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.

No, these are two separate issues. Douglas Adams is the author of _The
Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy_, which should have been in the news in
the past few years, as it recently was made into a sci-fi / comedy
movie.

In other words, DNA's quote is a joke.

--- Christopher Heckman

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