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muser science forum addict
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject:
Has anyone seen the film pi (1998)



I've just seen this film and thought the maths used were somehow
lacking to explain the stock market and other physical phenomena max
cohen (main character) was interested in. For instance the golden
ratio, pythagoras, elucid geometry (I agree with the film here).
Am I wrong to disagree? 

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mensanator@aol.compost science forum Guru
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject:
Re: Has anyone seen the film pi (1998)



muser wrote:
Quote:  I've just seen this film and thought the maths used were somehow
lacking to explain the stock market and other physical phenomena max
cohen (main character) was interested in.

That bit of handwaving was poetic license.
Quote:  For instance the golden
ratio, pythagoras, elucid geometry (I agree with the film here).
Am I wrong to disagree?

Only if you take it seriously. 

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muser science forum addict
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:11 am Post subject:
Re: Has anyone seen the film pi (1998)



mensanator@aol.com wrote:
Quote:  muser wrote:
I've just seen this film and thought the maths used were somehow
lacking to explain the stock market and other physical phenomena max
cohen (main character) was interested in.
That bit of handwaving was poetic license.
For instance the golden
ratio, pythagoras, elucid geometry (I agree with the film here).
Am I wrong to disagree?
Only if you take it seriously.

Maybe I wasn't very clear in my original post. Is any of the
aforemention mathematical disciplines useful in finding patterns in
nature. I know elucid geometry is used in physics but is the golden
ratio? I know mathematical models are used to try and predict the stock
market, what notations are used. Can you inform me in layman term of
how it is achieved? 

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Odysseus science forum addict
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject:
Re: Has anyone seen the film pi (1998)



In article <1152342685.240956.255900@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"muser" <charlie12345@hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
Quote: 
Maybe I wasn't very clear in my original post. Is any of the
aforemention mathematical disciplines useful in finding patterns in
nature. I know elucid geometry is used in physics but is the golden
ratio? I know mathematical models are used to try and predict the stock
market, what notations are used. Can you inform me in layman term of
how it is achieved?

The golden ratio Phi shows up in many natural forms and growth
processes. The directions in which successive branches grow from a plant
stem are functions of Phi in many species. The numbers of elements in
the spiral rows seen in sunflowers, pineapples, pinecones, artichokes,
and the like, are members of the Fibonacci series, the ratio between
counts in one direction and another approximating Phi.

Odysseus 

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Proginoskes science forum Guru
Joined: 29 Apr 2005
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:45 am Post subject:
Re: Has anyone seen the film pi (1998)



Odysseus wrote:
Quote:  In article <1152342685.240956.255900@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"muser" <charlie12345@hotmail.com> wrote:
snip
Maybe I wasn't very clear in my original post. Is any of the
aforemention mathematical disciplines useful in finding patterns in
nature. I know elucid geometry is used in physics but is the golden
ratio? I know mathematical models are used to try and predict the stock
market, what notations are used. Can you inform me in layman term of
how it is achieved?
The golden ratio Phi shows up in many natural forms and growth
processes. The directions in which successive branches grow from a plant
stem are functions of Phi in many species. The numbers of elements in
the spiral rows seen in sunflowers, pineapples, pinecones, artichokes,
and the like, are members of the Fibonacci series, the ratio between
counts in one direction and another approximating Phi.

This is reminiscent of the Law of Fives: Any phenomenon in the universe
can be reduced ot the number five, _as long as you look hard enough_.
Another hint is: The Law of Fives is not about the number five. There
is also a Law of Threes, for instance.
 Christopher Heckman 

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John Bailey science forum addict
Joined: 05 May 2005
Posts: 72

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject:
Re: Has anyone seen the film pi (1998)



On 7 Jul 2006 11:00:30 0700, "muser" <charlie12345@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Quote:  I've just seen this film and thought the maths used were somehow
lacking to explain the stock market and other physical phenomena max
cohen (main character) was interested in. For instance the golden
ratio, pythagoras, elucid geometry (I agree with the film here).
Am I wrong to disagree?

I just watched a DVD of the film Pi. I was disappointed. It is
really a psychological movie about a paranoid schizophrenic with only
a flavoring of math. Just enough math references to support the main
character's occupation but hardly enough to inform a viewer. Barely
enough to stimulate a viewer's curiosity. If you are interested in
the psychology of mathematical thinkers, I can recommend the play:
Proof. Note there is an Australian movie also called Proof which is
fun but not related to mathematics.
Apparently the play has now become a movie
Proof, starring Gwyneth Paltrow and Anthony Hopkins
http://www.newyorkmetro.com/movies/listings/rv_43943.htm
A devoted daughter comes to terms with the death of her father, a
brilliant mathematician whose genius was crippled by mental insanity,
forcing her to face her own longharbored fears and emotions. She
adjusts to his death with the help of one of her father's former
mathematical students, who searches through her father's notebooks in
the hope of discovering a bit of his old brilliance. While she comes
to terms with the possibility that his genius, which she has
inherited, may come at a painful price, her estranged sister arrives
to help settle their father's affairs.
I look forward to seeing it when it comes out on DVD.
John 

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Frederick Williams science forum addict
Joined: 19 Nov 2005
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:06 am Post subject:
Re: Has anyone seen the film pi (1998)



John Bailey wrote:
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to terms with the possibility that his genius, which she has
inherited,

Can genius be inherited?

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