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divya
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:48 pm    Post subject: plz solve this math puzzle Reply with quote

Two persons were talking themselves with out knowing that that tower
clock is set one hour back coz of the summer days.

Person A; when shall we meet again?
Person B: it takes 10 seconds for the Tower clock to strike one hour so
we shall meet 11 hours after that
Person A: You mean Tower clock has 1 second Interval?
Person B: Yes

Can u find what is time of appointment? [5 marks]
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mensanator@aol.compost
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: plz solve this math puzzle Reply with quote

divya wrote:
Quote:
Two persons were talking themselves with out knowing that that tower
clock is set one hour back coz of the summer days.

Clocks aren't set back in the summer, they're set forwards.

Quote:

Person A; when shall we meet again?
Person B: it takes 10 seconds for the Tower clock to strike one hour so
we shall meet 11 hours after that
Person A: You mean Tower clock has 1 second Interval?
Person B: Yes

Can u find what is time of appointment? [5 marks]
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moriman
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:17 pm    Post subject: Re: plz solve this math puzzle Reply with quote

<mensanator@aol.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

divya wrote:
Two persons were talking themselves with out knowing that that tower
clock is set one hour back coz of the summer days.

Clocks aren't set back in the summer, they're set forwards.


Clocks aren't set back in the summer..... or forwards.
They're set forward in the spring and set back in the autumn.

mori

Quote:

Person A; when shall we meet again?
Person B: it takes 10 seconds for the Tower clock to strike one hour so
we shall meet 11 hours after that
Person A: You mean Tower clock has 1 second Interval?
Person B: Yes

Can u find what is time of appointment? [5 marks]
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mensanator@aol.compost
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:28 pm    Post subject: Re: plz solve this math puzzle Reply with quote

moriman wrote:
Quote:
mensanator@aol.com> wrote in message
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divya wrote:
Two persons were talking themselves with out knowing that that tower
clock is set one hour back coz of the summer days.

Clocks aren't set back in the summer, they're set forwards.


Clocks aren't set back in the summer..... or forwards.
They're set forward in the spring and set back in the autumn.

set vb. 12a: to adjust to a desired position.

set n. 1b: the condition of being set.

Why did you assume I meant the former as opposed to the latter?

Quote:

mori


Person A; when shall we meet again?
Person B: it takes 10 seconds for the Tower clock to strike one hour so
we shall meet 11 hours after that
Person A: You mean Tower clock has 1 second Interval?
Person B: Yes

Can u find what is time of appointment? [5 marks]
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Lynn Kurtz
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:46 pm    Post subject: Re: plz solve this math puzzle Reply with quote

On 12 Jul 2006 14:28:59 -0700, "mensanator@aol.com"
<mensanator@aol.com> wrote:

Quote:

moriman wrote:
mensanator@aol.com> wrote in message
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divya wrote:
Two persons were talking themselves with out knowing that that tower
clock is set one hour back coz of the summer days.

Clocks aren't set back in the summer, they're set forwards.


Clocks aren't set back in the summer..... or forwards.
They're set forward in the spring and set back in the autumn.

set vb. 12a: to adjust to a desired position.

set n. 1b: the condition of being set.

Why did you assume I meant the former as opposed to the latter?

I think he is pointing out that the change to/from daylight time
doesn't happen in the "summer".

--Lynn
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mensanator@aol.compost
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:40 pm    Post subject: Re: plz solve this math puzzle Reply with quote

[Mr.] Lynn Kurtz wrote:
Quote:
On 12 Jul 2006 14:28:59 -0700, "mensanator@aol.com"
mensanator@aol.com> wrote:


moriman wrote:
mensanator@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1152568683.989871.119890@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

divya wrote:
Two persons were talking themselves with out knowing that that tower
clock is set one hour back coz of the summer days.

Clocks aren't set back in the summer, they're set forwards.


Clocks aren't set back in the summer..... or forwards.
They're set forward in the spring and set back in the autumn.

set vb. 12a: to adjust to a desired position.

set n. 1b: the condition of being set.

Why did you assume I meant the former as opposed to the latter?

I think he is pointing out that the change to/from daylight time
doesn't happen in the "summer".

Irrelevant

"clock is set (in a condition of) one hour back coz of the summer
days."

The problem is that the condition stated (back) is wrong for summer.
When the change occured has no bearing on this error.

Quote:

--Lynn
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Mark Spahn
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:21 pm    Post subject: Re: plz solve this math puzzle Reply with quote

Quote:
Two persons were talking themselves with out knowing that that tower
clock is set one hour back coz of the summer days.
Person A; when shall we meet again?
Person B: it takes 10 seconds for the Tower clock to strike one hour so
we shall meet 11 hours after that
Person A: You mean Tower clock has 1 second Interval?
Person B: Yes

Can u find what is time of appointment? [5 marks]

==UNQUOTE==


Does anybody understand what this problem *is*?
Could you please restate it in complete, correctly punctuated English
sentences?
In particular, what is the antecedent of "that"?
What does "Interval" (capitalized?) refer to? Interval between what and
what?

-- Mark Spahn
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Lynn Kurtz
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:58 pm    Post subject: Re: plz solve this math puzzle Reply with quote

On 12 Jul 2006 15:40:05 -0700, "mensanator@aol.com"
<mensanator@aol.com> wrote:

Quote:

[Mr.] Lynn Kurtz wrote:
On 12 Jul 2006 14:28:59 -0700, "mensanator@aol.com"
mensanator@aol.com> wrote:


moriman wrote:
mensanator@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1152568683.989871.119890@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


In a poorly formed "sentence", divya wrote

Quote:
Two persons were talking themselves with out knowing that that tower
clock is set one hour back coz of the summer days

Then Mensonator wrote, pointing out divya should have written "back":

Quote:
Clocks aren't set back in the summer, they're set forwards.

In reply to *that* sentence, moriman wrote, apparently needling
Mensonator for having his own error (clocks aren't set forwards in the
summer):

Quote:
Clocks aren't set back in the summer..... or forwards.
They're set forward in the spring and set back in the autumn.

Mensonator misses the point and now presents an irrelevant definition
of the verb "to set" as though moriman doesn't understand it:

Quote:
set vb. 12a: to adjust to a desired position.

set n. 1b: the condition of being set.

Why did you assume I meant the former as opposed to the latter?

So I point out the obvious:

Quote:
I think he is pointing out that the change to/from daylight time
doesn't happen in the "summer".


To which Mensonator replies:

Quote:
Irrelevant

"clock is set (in a condition of) one hour back coz of the summer
days."

The problem is that the condition stated (back) is wrong for summer.
When the change occured has no bearing on this error.

Everyone understood that. The problem is you didn't get the point of
moriman's post.

--Lynn
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matt271829-news@yahoo.co.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:05 am    Post subject: Re: plz solve this math puzzle Reply with quote

Mark Spahn wrote:
Quote:
Two persons were talking themselves with out knowing that that tower
clock is set one hour back coz of the summer days.
Person A; when shall we meet again?
Person B: it takes 10 seconds for the Tower clock to strike one hour so
we shall meet 11 hours after that
Person A: You mean Tower clock has 1 second Interval?
Person B: Yes

Can u find what is time of appointment? [5 marks]

==UNQUOTE==

Does anybody understand what this problem *is*?
Could you please restate it in complete, correctly punctuated English
sentences?
In particular, what is the antecedent of "that"?
What does "Interval" (capitalized?) refer to? Interval between what and
what?

A one second interval between chimes, I suppose. That would mean the
clock strikes eleven, and the meeting would be at ten, though how
you're supposed to factor in the summer time adjustment I have no idea.
Do we want the time of the appointment according to A and B's incorrect
time, or according to the correct local time as shown, presumably, by
the clock? And if they hear the clock chiming eleven then wouldn't they
realise at that point they'd forgotten to adjust their watches?
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mensanator@aol.compost
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:27 am    Post subject: Re: plz solve this math puzzle Reply with quote

[Mr.] Lynn Kurtz wrote:
Quote:
On 12 Jul 2006 15:40:05 -0700, "mensanator@aol.com"
mensanator@aol.com> wrote:


[Mr.] Lynn Kurtz wrote:
On 12 Jul 2006 14:28:59 -0700, "mensanator@aol.com"
mensanator@aol.com> wrote:


moriman wrote:
mensanator@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1152568683.989871.119890@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


In a poorly formed "sentence", divya wrote

Two persons were talking themselves with out knowing that that tower
clock is set one hour back coz of the summer days

Then Mensonator wrote, pointing out divya should have written "back":

That's not what I said.

Quote:

Clocks aren't set back in the summer, they're set forwards.

In reply to *that* sentence, moriman wrote, apparently needling
Mensonator for having his own error

I did not make an error. Moriman made an error thinking I made an
error.

Quote:
(clocks aren't set forwards in the summer):

_IF_ you think "set" is a verb. When "set" is a noun, then clocks are
"in the condition of being" forwards in summer.

Quote:

Clocks aren't set back in the summer..... or forwards.
They're set forward in the spring and set back in the autumn.

Mensonator misses the point and now presents an irrelevant definition
of the verb "to set" as though moriman doesn't understand it:

[Mr.] Kurtz misses the point that although moriman may understand
"to set" as a verb, he apparently does not understand its use as a
noun,
hence, the dictionary lesson.

[Mr.] Kurtz apparently doesn't understand it either.

Quote:

set vb. 12a: to adjust to a desired position.

set n. 1b: the condition of being set.

Why did you assume I meant the former as opposed to the latter?

So I point out the obvious:

It's not obvious to me, since _I_ didn't make the mistake.

Quote:

I think he is pointing out that the change to/from daylight time
doesn't happen in the "summer".


To which Mensonator replies:

Irrelevant

"clock is set (in a condition of) one hour back coz of the summer
days."

The problem is that the condition stated (back) is wrong for summer.
When the change occured has no bearing on this error.

Everyone understood that. The problem is you didn't get the point of
moriman's post.

I got it well enough to see that he made a mistake.

Quote:

--Lynn
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Mark Spahn
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Posts: 62

PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: plz solve this math puzzle Reply with quote

Mark Spahn wrote:
Quote:
Two persons were talking themselves with out knowing that that tower
clock is set one hour back coz of the summer days.
Person A; when shall we meet again?
Person B: it takes 10 seconds for the Tower clock to strike one hour
so
we shall meet 11 hours after that
Person A: You mean Tower clock has 1 second Interval?
Person B: Yes

Can u find what is time of appointment? [5 marks]

==UNQUOTE==

Does anybody understand what this problem *is*?
Could you please restate it in complete, correctly punctuated English
sentences?
In particular, what is the antecedent of "that"?
What does "Interval" (capitalized?) refer to? Interval between what and
what?

A one second interval between chimes, I suppose. That would mean the
clock strikes eleven, and the meeting would be at ten, though how
you're supposed to factor in the summer time adjustment I have no idea.
Do we want the time of the appointment according to A and B's incorrect
time, or according to the correct local time as shown, presumably, by
the clock? And if they hear the clock chiming eleven then wouldn't they
realise at that point they'd forgotten to adjust their watches?
==UNQUOTE==

Thanks for your effort at clarification, but we ought not to have to
suppose what the problem means. Is a chime a point in time, or
does it have a duration, and if so, how long does a chime last?
Is the interval between two successive chimes the length of time
from the end of one chime to the beginning of the following chime,
or from beginning-of-chime to beginning-of-chime?
And again, what does "that" refer to?
The problem is not worth considering until it is stated in an
understandable way. Does the original poster (whose native
language apparently is not English) himself understand the problem?
It would be nice if someone could figure out what this problem is
and translate it into real English.

-- Mark Spahn
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