FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups 
 ProfileProfile   PreferencesPreferences   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 
Forum index » Science and Technology » Chem
George "Big Oil" Bush KNOWS Bio Fuels Won't Work!
Post new topic   Reply to topic Page 2 of 2 [17 Posts] View previous topic :: View next topic
Goto page:  Previous  1, 2
Author Message
Roedy Green
science forum beginner


Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:59 am    Post subject: Re: George "Big Oil" Bush KNOWS Bio Fuels Won't Work! Reply with quote

On 10 Jul 2006 10:30:51 -0700, "zzbunker@netscape.net"
<zzbunker@netscape.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
said :

Quote:
Moreover, it takes a lot of input energy to produce ethanol: for
fertilizer, harvesting, transport, corn processing, etc. After
subtracting this input, the net positive energy available is less than
half of the figure cited above. Some researchers even claim that the
net energy of ethanol is actually negative when all inputs are included
-- it takes more energy to make ethanol than one gets out of it.

And one more problem. Farm crops are heavily subsidised. So the true
cost of biofuels is much higher than it appears.

But they biggest problem is you need fossil fuels to create bio fuels.
You need them pump water, drive farm machinery, create fertilizers,
and process the crops.

As cheap fossil fuels disappear the cost of bio fuels will go up and
up -- the very opposite of what you would hope for in a replacement.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
Who's in charge Cheney or Bush? Ask the people who work for them:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/
Back to top
zzbunker@netscape.net
science forum Guru Wannabe


Joined: 30 May 2005
Posts: 284

PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:04 am    Post subject: Re: George "Big Oil" Bush KNOWS Bio Fuels Won't Work! Reply with quote

Roedy Green wrote:
Quote:
On 10 Jul 2006 10:30:51 -0700, "zzbunker@netscape.net"
zzbunker@netscape.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
said :

Moreover, it takes a lot of input energy to produce ethanol: for
fertilizer, harvesting, transport, corn processing, etc. After
subtracting this input, the net positive energy available is less than
half of the figure cited above. Some researchers even claim that the
net energy of ethanol is actually negative when all inputs are included
-- it takes more energy to make ethanol than one gets out of it.

And one more problem. Farm crops are heavily subsidised. So the true
cost of biofuels is much higher than it appears.

But they biggest problem is you need fossil fuels to create bio fuels.
You need them pump water, drive farm machinery, create fertilizers,
and process the crops.

As cheap fossil fuels disappear the cost of bio fuels will go up and
up -- the very opposite of what you would hope for in a replacement.

It doesn;t matter with canuck morons.
They already know that ther is Terre-terrra watts of
essentially free energy with tidal energy, that can used
to syntheisze every known biofuel.
But they would rather play retard icehockey with
micheal moore and Walt Disney.


So in the energy game it's still:
We'll take Australia and the Canucks can have
France and the Cuban idiots.





Quote:
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
Who's in charge Cheney or Bush? Ask the people who work for them:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/
Back to top
Google

Back to top
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic Page 2 of 2 [17 Posts] Goto page:  Previous  1, 2
View previous topic :: View next topic
The time now is Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:49 am | All times are GMT
Forum index » Science and Technology » Chem
Jump to:  

Similar Topics
Topic Author Forum Replies Last Post
No new posts Now let's put the work together gb6724 New Theories 13 Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:58 pm
No new posts No difference from any other 'Bush sucks' person... gb7648 New Theories 9 Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:54 pm
No new posts Hey Bush, the world sucks. gb6724 New Theories 1 Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:06 am
No new posts bush: war on terrorism has just started gb6724 New Theories 4 Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:13 am
No new posts USA and Canada open for work? gb6724 New Theories 1 Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:36 am

Copyright © 2004-2005 DeniX Solutions SRL
Other DeniX Solutions sites: Electronics forum |  Medicine forum |  Unix/Linux blog |  Unix/Linux documentation |  Unix/Linux forums  |  send newsletters
 


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
[ Time: 0.0185s ][ Queries: 16 (0.0036s) ][ GZIP on - Debug on ]