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a_plutonium@hotmail.com
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:30 am    Post subject: Thistle seed to solve Global Warming Reply with quote

I am favoring thistle seed over that of Cottonwood seed as the
reflectant placed in the atmosphere by airplanes in the apogee of their
flightpath. Thistle because it is easy to grow and harvest and is more
durable and reflective than cottonwood seed.

All we need to do is match the Pinatuba volcano eruption of 1992 with
its coolest summer. Pinatuba emitted some sulfur compounds of a 30 km
cube into the atmosphere, reflecting sunlight. So all I need is 30,000
meter cube of thistle seed. How much farmland is this? Given some
assumptions it is 30,000 farms of 30,000 square meters all in thistle.
This is 900,000,000 square meters or 900,000 square kilometers. Now
what states in the USA could devote nearly a million square kilometers
to growing thistles for their seeds? Now the land area of the whole of
the USA is about 9 million square kilometers. So, 1/9 of the land of
the USA growing thistle seed could solve Global Warming.

But I think thistle is easy to grow in poor countries such as Africa
and Afghanistan, (instead of growing opium, grow thistle). And if the
pay were set standard pay of say a few cents per thistle-seed-capsule
would mean a large income to poor families of the world.

We would need material scientists to tell us how good of a reflectant.
How durable of a reflectant. How long will they last up there. How long
would it take for the world's airplanes to deliver 30 cubic kilometers
of thistle seed into the atmosphere. Will they clump up there?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Thistle seed to solve Global Warming Reply with quote

a_plutonium@hotmail.com writes:

Quote:
All we need to do is match the Pinatuba volcano eruption of 1992 with
its coolest summer. Pinatuba emitted some sulfur compounds of a 30 km
cube into the atmosphere, reflecting sunlight. So all I need is 30,000
meter cube of thistle seed.

If you think 30,000 cubic meters is the same as 30 cubic kilometers,
well, I guess you aren't so good at math or physics, are you?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:41 pm    Post subject: Cirsium arvense Re: Thistle seed to solve Global Warming Reply with quote

Cirsium arvense or Canada thistle is what I have. Not sure if I have
Cirsium vulgare or Bull thistle.

And whether the world has an even better seed crop to solve Global
Warming. It would be nice to have some plant without all those stickers
and grows as wild and easily as thistle.

It is too difficult to harvest cottonwood seed trees some 50 feet tall
or taller.

Dandelion seed are too fragile. I need a seed that can be stored easily
and then put into airplanes and emitted at the apogee of their
flightpath. So that constraint rules out dandelion seed.

Perhaps cotton may do. Perhaps cotton may even be better than thistle
seed. Can we cut cotton into very fine and small fibers. And how does
cotton perform as a reflectant of sunlight?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:19 am    Post subject: Re: Thistle seed to solve Global Warming Reply with quote

Apparently the concept of gravity wasn't a strong point either.

"AJ" <acj@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote in message
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a_plutonium@hotmail.com writes:

All we need to do is match the Pinatuba volcano eruption of 1992 with
its coolest summer. Pinatuba emitted some sulfur compounds of a 30 km
cube into the atmosphere, reflecting sunlight. So all I need is 30,000
meter cube of thistle seed.

If you think 30,000 cubic meters is the same as 30 cubic kilometers,
well, I guess you aren't so good at math or physics, are you?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:29 am    Post subject: Re: Thistle seed to solve Global Warming: Ouch! Reply with quote

NOTE: Sci.chem, Sci-materials have a thread exploring the use of
Thistles as sustainable energy production cropping.


Now, every farmer knows that the Thistle -- in whatever form -- is the
bane of agriculture, a weed intrusive, difficult even painful to
eradicate. The Bible writes that thistles are cursed to agriculture
and that man would suffer eradicating them in order to grow cereals and
other crops -- a most anciently known fact. Here in Western Oregon the
thistles are so stubborn, tuborous, and sharp thorned, they are
monsters eradicated or taking over and so difficult then to root out.

Like the scientist dismissing coal miners as 'unskilled workers' are we
failing to consult the farmer on his own science & craft -- ready to
sow the most pernicious of weeds and to rob Peter to pay Paul?

Ask any farmer; are thistles vis--vis his staple crops a plausable
idea, and with air-borne seeds drifting for hundreds of miles and on?
I have never seen a man 'run out of town on a rail' or 'tarred and
feathered', have any of y'all? Perhaps some of these ideas had better
be vetted on Mr & Mrs Farmer before proceeding too far . . . !

CS
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:42 am    Post subject: Re: Thistle seed to solve Global Warming: Ouch! Reply with quote

ChemistrySet@OperaMail.com writes
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NOTE: Sci.chem, Sci-materials have a thread exploring the use of
Thistles as sustainable energy production cropping.

I presume this is a joke.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: Cirsium arvense Re: Thistle seed to solve Global Warming Reply with quote

In message <1152726074.316704.213570@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
a_plutonium@hotmail.com writes
Quote:
Cirsium arvense or Canada thistle is what I have. Not sure if I have
Cirsium vulgare or Bull thistle.

And whether the world has an even better seed crop to solve Global
Warming. It would be nice to have some plant without all those stickers
and grows as wild and easily as thistle.

It is too difficult to harvest cottonwood seed trees some 50 feet tall
or taller.

Dandelion seed are too fragile. I need a seed that can be stored easily
and then put into airplanes and emitted at the apogee of their
flightpath. So that constraint rules out dandelion seed.

Perhaps cotton may do. Perhaps cotton may even be better than thistle
seed. Can we cut cotton into very fine and small fibers. And how does
cotton perform as a reflectant of sunlight?

Never mind that, how does it perform as jet fuel?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:09 am    Post subject: Re: Cirsium arvense Re: Thistle seed to solve Global Warming Reply with quote

Richard Herring <junk@[127.0.0.1]> writes:
Quote:
In message <1152726074.316704.213570@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
a_plutonium@hotmail.com writes
Cirsium arvense or Canada thistle is what I have. Not sure if I have
Cirsium vulgare or Bull thistle.

Is that better than the ubiquitous purple-flowered Scotch Thistle?

Quote:
Never mind that, how does it perform as jet fuel?

Spectacularly!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:20 am    Post subject: Scotch thistle (Onopordum acanthium) Re: Cirsium arvense Re: Thistle seed to solve Global Warming Reply with quote

John Savage wrote:
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Is that better than the ubiquitous purple-flowered Scotch Thistle?


Had to look this one up. Found it to be Scotch thistle (Onopordum
acanthium). I could not find data as to the seeds. Whether these seeds
would be better than other thistle species seed for use as a Sun
reflectant to solve global warming (emitted by airplanes in apogee of
flightpath).

Apparently there are many types of thistle. I do not know what plant
seed is the best for solving global warming, or whether there is some
plant outside of thistles.

Hopefully the best plant seed is a weed that can easily be made an
agriculture crop and whose seed is perfect as a Sun reflectant and
will stay in the upper atmosphere for a long time. Hopefully we can get
3 harvests of this weed per year.

Maybe in the harvesting the seed capsule is first cut then the rest of
the plant stalk is cut to the ground and grinded into pieces that is
also useable. Allowing the thistle to regrow for a 2nd and even 3rd
yearly harvest.

Maybe cotton is better than thistle when the cotton is grinded into
tiny pieces. But the thistle seed is meant to be airborne. And maybe
that design is better than cotton.

I would like a plant that is less thorny than thistle. A plant where
poor people and children can go out and collect and earn some money. I
am hoping it is a weed and that it is less thorny than these vicious
Scotch thistle.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Thistle seed to solve Global Warming: Ouch! Reply with quote

I know that "Niger Seed" is sold as bird feed here in Ontario, and farmers
get piiiiisssed off about that. The birds are the vector that carries them
for miles, depositing them in fields. Most regular farmers use roundup
eradication, so thistles aren't a big deal to them, but the organic oilseed
producers have a much harder time.

-JD

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NOTE: Sci.chem, Sci-materials have a thread exploring the use of
Thistles as sustainable energy production cropping.

I presume this is a joke.

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