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Divine apparitions in the tethered goat problem?
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jpalmour@gmail.com
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:26 pm    Post subject: Divine apparitions in the tethered goat problem? Reply with quote

I was modeling the following problem using GSP, and what appears to be
an apparition of Mary cradling Jesus appeared in the picture below:

picture: http://jpalmour.googlepages.com/MaryFromTheTetheredGoat.jpg

video: http://jpalmour.googlepages.com/Mary.avi

A goat is tethered to a cylindrical silo of radius r with a tether of
length s. What is the area of the field that the goat can graze in?

My solution is very ugly. Does anyone have a nice solution to this
problem?
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jt64@tele2.se
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Divine apparitions in the tethered goat problem? Reply with quote

Well the problem description isn't quite clear to me is it a fag goat
gracing in the silo, or just a plain goat?
I don't think Mary would help out the fag goat, but you never know.

JT
jpalmour@gmail.com skrev:

Quote:
I was modeling the following problem using GSP, and what appears to be
an apparition of Mary cradling Jesus appeared in the picture below:

picture: http://jpalmour.googlepages.com/MaryFromTheTetheredGoat.jpg

video: http://jpalmour.googlepages.com/Mary.avi

A goat is tethered to a cylindrical silo of radius r with a tether of
length s. What is the area of the field that the goat can graze in?

My solution is very ugly. Does anyone have a nice solution to this
problem?
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jt64@tele2.se
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Divine apparitions in the tethered goat problem? Reply with quote

You see my beleive is that Mary help them who help themself through
troubled times and acknowledge her divine intervention through
apparation, anyone who spends time thinking about how make a plain goat
gracing the silo best way probably a good person at heart.

JT
jpalmour@gmail.com skrev:

Quote:
I was modeling the following problem using GSP, and what appears to be
an apparition of Mary cradling Jesus appeared in the picture below:

picture: http://jpalmour.googlepages.com/MaryFromTheTetheredGoat.jpg

video: http://jpalmour.googlepages.com/Mary.avi

A goat is tethered to a cylindrical silo of radius r with a tether of
length s. What is the area of the field that the goat can graze in?

My solution is very ugly. Does anyone have a nice solution to this
problem?
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Robert B. Israel
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Divine apparitions in the tethered goat problem? Reply with quote

In article <1153427163.593854.308400@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
<jpalmour@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
I was modeling the following problem using GSP, and what appears to be
an apparition of Mary cradling Jesus appeared in the picture below:

picture: http://jpalmour.googlepages.com/MaryFromTheTetheredGoat.jpg

video: http://jpalmour.googlepages.com/Mary.avi

A goat is tethered to a cylindrical silo of radius r with a tether of
length s. What is the area of the field that the goat can graze in?

My solution is very ugly. Does anyone have a nice solution to this
problem?

Let the silo be centred at the origin, and the goat tethered at
(r,0).
For the simplest case, let's suppose s <= pi r, so the goat can't
get to (-r,0).
The boundary of the grazing region consists of the semicircle
[x,y] = [r + s cos(t), s sin(t)] for -pi/2 <= t <= pi/2,
the parametric curve
[x,y] = [r cos(t) - (s - r t) sin(t), r sin(t) + (s - r t) cos(t)]
for 0 <= t <= s/r
and its reflection across the y axis,
and the boundary of the silo
[x,y] = [r cos(t), r sin(t)] for -s/r <= t <= s/r.

The area enclosed by a simple closed curve C (counterclockwise) can
be calculated using a line integral

A = int_C x dy

After some messy integration, I get

A = pi s^2/2 + s^3/(3 r)

Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca
Department of Mathematics http://www.math.ubc.ca/~israel
University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC, Canada
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jt64@tele2.se
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Divine apparitions in the tethered goat problem? Reply with quote

Have you seen movie good will hunting?
Robert Israel skrev:

Quote:
In article <1153427163.593854.308400@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
jpalmour@gmail.com> wrote:
I was modeling the following problem using GSP, and what appears to be
an apparition of Mary cradling Jesus appeared in the picture below:

picture: http://jpalmour.googlepages.com/MaryFromTheTetheredGoat.jpg

video: http://jpalmour.googlepages.com/Mary.avi

A goat is tethered to a cylindrical silo of radius r with a tether of
length s. What is the area of the field that the goat can graze in?

My solution is very ugly. Does anyone have a nice solution to this
problem?

Let the silo be centred at the origin, and the goat tethered at
(r,0).
For the simplest case, let's suppose s <= pi r, so the goat can't
get to (-r,0).
The boundary of the grazing region consists of the semicircle
[x,y] = [r + s cos(t), s sin(t)] for -pi/2 <= t <= pi/2,
the parametric curve
[x,y] = [r cos(t) - (s - r t) sin(t), r sin(t) + (s - r t) cos(t)]
for 0 <= t <= s/r
and its reflection across the y axis,
and the boundary of the silo
[x,y] = [r cos(t), r sin(t)] for -s/r <= t <= s/r.

The area enclosed by a simple closed curve C (counterclockwise) can
be calculated using a line integral

A = int_C x dy

After some messy integration, I get

A = pi s^2/2 + s^3/(3 r)

Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca
Department of Mathematics http://www.math.ubc.ca/~israel
University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Virgil
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Divine apparitions in the tethered goat problem? Reply with quote

In article <1153427163.593854.308400@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
jpalmour@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:
I was modeling the following problem using GSP, and what appears to be
an apparition of Mary cradling Jesus appeared in the picture below:

picture: http://jpalmour.googlepages.com/MaryFromTheTetheredGoat.jpg

video: http://jpalmour.googlepages.com/Mary.avi

A goat is tethered to a cylindrical silo of radius r with a tether of
length s. What is the area of the field that the goat can graze in?

My solution is very ugly. Does anyone have a nice solution to this
problem?

For L = length of rope, R = radius of silo and 0 < R <= pi*R, so the
rope goes no more than half way round the silo, my solution is

Area = pi^L^2/2 + L^3/(3*R).

For L > pi*R it does get quite ugly.
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Ben Rudiak-Gould
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Posts: 382

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Divine apparitions in the tethered goat problem? Reply with quote

jpalmour@gmail.com wrote:
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Does anyone have a nice solution to this problem?

On a related note, does anyone know of a suitable award I could nominate
this subject line for?

-- Ben
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