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Pyroelectrics vs Laser-Wakefield
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:58 pm    Post subject: Pyroelectrics vs Laser-Wakefield Reply with quote

The recent development of accelerators using Laser-Wakefield effect
enables tremendous acceleration gradients within very short distances,
now making "desktop accelerators" possible.

However, a recent experiment was done using a pyroelectric crystal to
bombard deuterium ions into a target:

http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050425/full/050425-3.html

Leaving the nuclear fusion topic aside, I'd like to ask if the elecric
fields generated within these pyroelectric crystals are capable of
acceleration gradients comparable to Laser-Wakefield effect? Does this
pyroelectric crystal effect suggest opportunities to further improve
upon this phenomenon through nano-structuring of materials? (ie. could
nano-engineered materials significantly improve upon the pyroelectric
effect?)
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 4:55 am    Post subject: Re: Pyroelectrics vs Laser-Wakefield Reply with quote

manofsan@yahoo.com wrote:

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However, a recent experiment was done using a pyroelectric crystal to
bombard deuterium ions into a target:

http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050425/full/050425-3.html

Leaving the nuclear fusion topic aside, I'd like to ask if the elecric
fields generated within these pyroelectric crystals are capable of
acceleration gradients comparable to Laser-Wakefield effect?

I don't think so, no where near. I've seen some articles (arxiv.org)
about x-ray generation from heated piezo-electric crystals resulting
from ~100kV electron emission.

http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0309049

The fusion phenomena might be "stripping". Not near the tera-volt
gradients from Wakefield sources, or probably even comparable to
super-emissive laser illuminated electrodes.

Does this
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pyroelectric crystal effect suggest opportunities to further improve
upon this phenomenon through nano-structuring of materials? (ie. could
nano-engineered materials significantly improve upon the pyroelectric
effect?)

I think the real utility would be cheap, portable x-ray fluorescence
spectrometers and neutron sources. Spectrometers for those toy-cars NASA
lobs at Mars to justify its budget.

I remember seeing an article at arxiv.org about the enhanced emissivity
of nano-particles. Surface plasmon resonance?

Scott

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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 10:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Pyroelectrics vs Laser-Wakefield Reply with quote

Hi, thanks for the reply.

Well, the nature.com article mentioned that Pyroelectric materials
could be used for microthrusters, accelerating ions to high speeds
using small engine size. Would this be superior to existing ion
thrusters, and are pyroelectrics more energy-efficient?

Is there a possibility that pyroelectric thrusters could generate
enough thrust to compete with combustion rockets? While ion thrusters
are supposed to be more energy-efficient than combustion rockets, they
are also known to produce very low thrust. Could pyroelectric materials
-- even nano-engineered ones -- produce thrust sufficient for escape
velocity in earth or lunar gravity?

Comments?

Could laser-wakefield pulses ever produce high thrust for a rocket by
accelerating ions at high speed?
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 1:23 am    Post subject: Re: Pyroelectrics vs Laser-Wakefield Reply with quote

manofsan@yahoo.com wrote:

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Well, the nature.com article mentioned that Pyroelectric materials
could be used for microthrusters, accelerating ions to high speeds
using small engine size. Would this be superior to existing ion
thrusters

Couldn't say, I'll SWAG not.

, and are pyroelectrics more energy-efficient?

I don't think so, IIRC a few percent. But they are very simple, and
often simpler is better. I don't think they have a long life either.

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Is there a possibility that pyroelectric thrusters could generate
enough thrust to compete with combustion rockets? While ion thrusters
are supposed to be more energy-efficient than combustion rockets, they
are also known to produce very low thrust.

AFAIK ion engines produce micronewtons of thrust, which becomes
significant over the months or years of interplanetary flight.

Combustion engines produce meganewtons for a few minutes.

Could pyroelectric materials
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-- even nano-engineered ones -- produce thrust sufficient for escape
velocity in earth or lunar gravity?

I suppose if a chemical engine got you into orbit, the ion engine could
slowly increase the orbital radius. Hmmm, it could be solar powered?
Just chop sunlight focused from an aluminized solar sail onto the
pyroelectric target so it produces puffs of ions as it is heated and cooled.

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Comments?

I'd druther have a hot fusion or plasma-fission engine.

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Could laser-wakefield pulses ever produce high thrust for a rocket by
accelerating ions at high speed?

Microwave accelerators have better efficiencies than (non semiconductor)
lasers, so I would bet on some kind of gyrotron traveling wave ion
accelerator, rather than a laser accelerator.

There are similarities between inverse Cerenkov (slow-wave) maser
accelerators and laser wakefield accelerators. And AC and stepper motors
for that matter.

Scott

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