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ship
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 Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:19 pm Post subject:
Homeopathy - not only works, but over 6 years does so better than drugs! ("Happy Dog" / "Moo" take note...)
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What do you guys make of this?
It seems Homeopathy not only works - but over a longer period
of time works better than prescribed drugs!
"Happy Dog" / "le moo" eat your heart out...
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HOMEOPATHY: It's better than drugs for chronic conditions |
Yet more evidence has just come in that suggests homeopathy does work
(despite the beliefs of doctors and conventional medical journals).
The new study, which tracked around 6,500 patients with chronic health
problems for six years, discovered that homeopathic remedies helped in
70 per cent of cases.
Well, your doctor might counter, it's meaningless over such a long
period of time. But, you can respond, the researchers tracked a
similar group who had not been given homeopathy but instead were
prescribed drugs, and they were no better after the same six years had
elapsed.
(Source: Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, 2005; 11:
793- .
from WDDTY.
Ship
Shiperton Henethe |
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Robert11
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:32 pm Post subject:
Re: Homeopathy - not only works, but over 6 years does so better than drugs! ("Happy Dog" / "Moo" take note...)
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"ship" <shiphen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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What do you guys make of this?
It seems Homeopathy not only works - but over a longer period
of time works better than prescribed drugs!
"Happy Dog" / "le moo" eat your heart out...
HOMEOPATHY: It's better than drugs for chronic conditions
Yet more evidence has just come in that suggests homeopathy does work
(despite the beliefs of doctors and conventional medical journals).
The new study, which tracked around 6,500 patients with chronic health
problems for six years, discovered that homeopathic remedies helped in
70 per cent of cases.
Well, your doctor might counter, it's meaningless over such a long
period of time. But, you can respond, the researchers tracked a
similar group who had not been given homeopathy but instead were
prescribed drugs, and they were no better after the same six years had
elapsed.
(Source: Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, 2005; 11:
793-.
from WDDTY.
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
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Totally meaningless. Stay in ALT NG where that type of meaningless stuff is
accepted. |
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Happy Dog
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Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 14
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:21 pm Post subject:
Re: Homeopathy - not only works, but over 6 years does so better than drugs! ("Happy Dog" / "Moo" take note...)
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"ship" <shiphen@yahoo.com> wrote
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It's crap. What were the "chronic conditions" being treated?
moo
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It seems Homeopathy not only works - but over a longer period
of time works better than prescribed drugs!
"Happy Dog" / "le moo" eat your heart out...
HOMEOPATHY: It's better than drugs for chronic conditions
Yet more evidence has just come in that suggests homeopathy does work
(despite the beliefs of doctors and conventional medical journals).
The new study, which tracked around 6,500 patients with chronic health
problems for six years, discovered that homeopathic remedies helped in
70 per cent of cases.
Well, your doctor might counter, it's meaningless over such a long
period of time. But, you can respond, the researchers tracked a
similar group who had not been given homeopathy but instead were
prescribed drugs, and they were no better after the same six years had
elapsed.
(Source: Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, 2005; 11:
793-.
from WDDTY.
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
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Mark Probert
science forum beginner
Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Posts: 5
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:35 pm Post subject:
Re: Homeopathy - not only works, but over 6 years does so better than drugs! ("Happy Dog" / "Moo" take note...)
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Robert wrote:
| Quote: | "ship" <shiphen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1134742795.233665.172520@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What do you guys make of this?
It seems Homeopathy not only works - but over a longer period
of time works better than prescribed drugs!
"Happy Dog" / "le moo" eat your heart out...
HOMEOPATHY: It's better than drugs for chronic conditions
Yet more evidence has just come in that suggests homeopathy does work
(despite the beliefs of doctors and conventional medical journals).
The new study, which tracked around 6,500 patients with chronic health
problems for six years, discovered that homeopathic remedies helped in
70 per cent of cases.
Well, your doctor might counter, it's meaningless over such a long
period of time. But, you can respond, the researchers tracked a
similar group who had not been given homeopathy but instead were
prescribed drugs, and they were no better after the same six years had
elapsed.
(Source: Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, 2005; 11:
793-.
from WDDTY.
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
Totally meaningless. Stay in ALT NG where that type of meaningless stuff is
accepted.
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I am reading this in mha, and I do not accept this. AFAIAC, the only
thing homeopathy cures is thirst. |
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Peter Moran
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Joined: 16 Dec 2005
Posts: 5
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject:
Re: Homeopathy - not only works, but over 6 years does so better than drugs! ("Happy Dog" / "Moo" take note...)
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"ship" <shiphen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1134742795.233665.172520@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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What do you guys make of this?
It seems Homeopathy not only works - but over a longer period
of time works better than prescribed drugs!
"Happy Dog" / "le moo" eat your heart out...
HOMEOPATHY: It's better than drugs for chronic conditions
Yet more evidence has just come in that suggests homeopathy does work
(despite the beliefs of doctors and conventional medical journals).
The new study, which tracked around 6,500 patients with chronic health
problems for six years, discovered that homeopathic remedies helped in
70 per cent of cases.
Well, your doctor might counter, it's meaningless over such a long
period of time. But, you can respond, the researchers tracked a
similar group who had not been given homeopathy but instead were
prescribed drugs, and they were no better after the same six years had
elapsed.
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You are sure this wasn't from the Journal of Improbable Research? These
would be the most unlikely study results I have ever seen, since homeopathic
treatment has not been consistently shown to work better than placebo in ANY
condition.. Equally absurd is the implication that none of the patients in
the conventionally treated group were better, not even from the spontaneous
fluctuations of symptoms in many chronic conditions.
Homeopathy has been studied enough, both in clinical studies and in in vitro
systems.. A conventional treatment would never have survived the amount of
negative research that exists on homeopathy.
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Joseph S. Powell, III
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Joined: 23 May 2005
Posts: 82
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:29 pm Post subject:
Re: Homeopathy - not only works, but over 6 years does so better than drugs! ("Happy Dog" / "Moo" take note...)
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ship wrote:
| Quote: | What do you guys make of this?
It seems Homeopathy not only works - but over a longer period
of time works better than prescribed drugs!
"Happy Dog" / "le moo" eat your heart out...
HOMEOPATHY: It's better than drugs for chronic conditions
Yet more evidence has just come in that suggests homeopathy does work
(despite the beliefs of doctors and conventional medical journals).
The new study, which tracked around 6,500 patients with chronic health
problems for six years, discovered that homeopathic remedies helped in
70 per cent of cases.
Well, your doctor might counter, it's meaningless over such a long
period of time. But, you can respond, the researchers tracked a
similar group who had not been given homeopathy but instead were
prescribed drugs, and they were no better after the same six years had
elapsed.
(Source: Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, 2005; 11:
793-.
from WDDTY.
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
Yet more evidence has just come in that suggests homeopathy does work |
(despite the beliefs of doctors and conventional medical journals).
and despite the total lack of a scientific basis.
Homeopathic healing is faith healing, no if or buts about it.
j. |
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Robert11
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Joined: 17 Nov 2005
Posts: 41
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:44 pm Post subject:
Re: Homeopathy - not only works, but over 6 years does so better than drugs! ("Happy Dog" / "Moo" take note...)
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"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:XFEof.24$x24.19@fe09.lga...
| Quote: | Robert wrote:
"ship" <shiphen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1134742795.233665.172520@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What do you guys make of this?
It seems Homeopathy not only works - but over a longer period
of time works better than prescribed drugs!
"Happy Dog" / "le moo" eat your heart out...
HOMEOPATHY: It's better than drugs for chronic conditions
Yet more evidence has just come in that suggests homeopathy does work
(despite the beliefs of doctors and conventional medical journals).
The new study, which tracked around 6,500 patients with chronic health
problems for six years, discovered that homeopathic remedies helped in
70 per cent of cases.
Well, your doctor might counter, it's meaningless over such a long
period of time. But, you can respond, the researchers tracked a
similar group who had not been given homeopathy but instead were
prescribed drugs, and they were no better after the same six years had
elapsed.
(Source: Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, 2005; 11:
793-.
from WDDTY.
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
Totally meaningless. Stay in ALT NG where that type of meaningless stuff
is
accepted.
I am reading this in mha, and I do not accept this. AFAIAC, the only
thing homeopathy cures is thirst.
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To me there is conventional medicine Sci.Med. and accepted scientific
protocols and then there's ALT where by definition you find unconventional
medicine and no scientific protocols which is why they are in ALT and not
accepted medically.
People who post in both are basically trolls. |
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Robert11
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:45 pm Post subject:
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"Happy Dog" <happydog@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "ship" <shiphen@yahoo.com> wrote
What do you guys make of this?
It's crap. What were the "chronic conditions" being treated?
moo
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Chronic mental health clinics. |
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Mark Probert
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject:
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Robert wrote:
| Quote: | "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:XFEof.24$x24.19@fe09.lga...
Robert wrote:
"ship" <shiphen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1134742795.233665.172520@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What do you guys make of this?
It seems Homeopathy not only works - but over a longer period
of time works better than prescribed drugs!
"Happy Dog" / "le moo" eat your heart out...
HOMEOPATHY: It's better than drugs for chronic conditions
Yet more evidence has just come in that suggests homeopathy does work
(despite the beliefs of doctors and conventional medical journals).
The new study, which tracked around 6,500 patients with chronic health
problems for six years, discovered that homeopathic remedies helped in
70 per cent of cases.
Well, your doctor might counter, it's meaningless over such a long
period of time. But, you can respond, the researchers tracked a
similar group who had not been given homeopathy but instead were
prescribed drugs, and they were no better after the same six years had
elapsed.
(Source: Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, 2005; 11:
793-.
from WDDTY.
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
Totally meaningless. Stay in ALT NG where that type of meaningless stuff
is
accepted.
I am reading this in mha, and I do not accept this. AFAIAC, the only
thing homeopathy cures is thirst.
To me there is conventional medicine Sci.Med. and accepted scientific
protocols and then there's ALT where by definition you find unconventional
medicine and no scientific protocols which is why they are in ALT and not
accepted medically.
People who post in both are basically trolls.
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People who initiate threads in both are confused. |
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Robert11
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:43 pm Post subject:
Re: Homeopathy - not only works, but over 6 years does so better than drugs! ("Happy Dog" / "Moo" take note...)
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"ship" <shiphen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1134742795.233665.172520@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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What do you guys make of this?
It seems Homeopathy not only works - but over a longer period
of time works better than prescribed drugs!
"Happy Dog" / "le moo" eat your heart out...
HOMEOPATHY: It's better than drugs for chronic conditions
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How can a medicine work that has nothing in it?? See this site for an
explanation of this old scam:
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html
Robert |
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Nana Weedkiller
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject:
Re: Homeopathy - not only works, but over 6 years does so better than drugs! ("Happy Dog" / "Moo" take note...)
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I think someone is pulling your leg.
Here's the abstract:
1: J Altern Complement Med. 2005 Oct;11(5):793-8. Related Articles,
Links
Homeopathic treatment for chronic disease: a 6-year, university-hospital
outpatient observational study.
Spence DS, Thompson EA, Barron SJ.
Directorate of Homeopathic Medicine, United Bristol Healthcare, National
Health Service Trust, Bristol, United Kingdom.
Objective: The aim of this study was to assess health changes seen in
routine homeopathic care for patients with a wide range of chronic
conditions who were referred to a hospital outpatient department. Design:
This was an observational study of 6544 consecutive follow-up patients
during a 6-year period. Setting: Hospital outpatient unit within an acute
National Health Service (NHS) Teaching Trust in the United Kingdom.
Participants: Every patient attending the hospital outpatient unit for a
follow-up appointment over the study period was included, commencing with
their first follow-up attendance. Main outcome measure: Outcomes were based
on scores on a 7-point Likert-type scale at the end of the consultation and
were assessed as overall outcomes compared to the initial baseline
assessments. Results: A total of 6544 consecutive follow-up patients were
given outcome scores. Of the patients 70.7% (n = 4627) reported positive
health changes, with 50.7% (n = 3318) recording their improvement as better
(+2) or much better (+3). Conclusions: Homeopathic intervention offered
positive health changes to a substantial proportion of a large cohort of
patients with a wide range of chronic diseases. Additional observational
research, including studies using different designs, is necessary for
further research development in homeopathy.
PMID: 16296912 [PubMed - in process] |
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Bob1144
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:57 am Post subject:
Re: Homeopathy - not only works, but over 6 years does so better than drugs! ("Happy Dog" / "Moo" take note...)
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:29:18 -0500, "Nana Weedkiller"
<nanaweedkiller@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I think someone is pulling your leg.
Here's the abstract:
1: J Altern Complement Med. 2005 Oct;11(5):793-8. Related Articles,
Links
Homeopathic treatment for chronic disease: a 6-year, university-hospital
outpatient observational study.
Spence DS, Thompson EA, Barron SJ.
Directorate of Homeopathic Medicine, United Bristol Healthcare, National
Health Service Trust, Bristol, United Kingdom.
Objective: The aim of this study was to assess health changes seen in
routine homeopathic care for patients with a wide range of chronic
conditions who were referred to a hospital outpatient department. Design:
This was an observational study of 6544 consecutive follow-up patients
during a 6-year period. Setting: Hospital outpatient unit within an acute
National Health Service (NHS) Teaching Trust in the United Kingdom.
Participants: Every patient attending the hospital outpatient unit for a
follow-up appointment over the study period was included, commencing with
their first follow-up attendance. Main outcome measure: Outcomes were based
on scores on a 7-point Likert-type scale at the end of the consultation and
were assessed as overall outcomes compared to the initial baseline
assessments. Results: A total of 6544 consecutive follow-up patients were
given outcome scores. Of the patients 70.7% (n = 4627) reported positive
health changes, with 50.7% (n = 3318) recording their improvement as better
(+2) or much better (+3). Conclusions: Homeopathic intervention offered
positive health changes to a substantial proportion of a large cohort of
patients with a wide range of chronic diseases. Additional observational
research, including studies using different designs, is necessary for
further research development in homeopathy.
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Is this just a bad abstract, or was the work really that bad?
No controls? No objective measurements? Patients knew their treatment?
What were the conditions treated? Probably minor.
So, many people with minor misc problems get better with a placebo.
So? Need data for a "water" control, in a double-blind study.
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